Timewave Zero - Countdown to Transition

Originally posted by Tgautier13
reply to post by xxshadowfaxx

 

Well I'm glad you weren't following the Timewave around the time of the 2008 crash, or you would've already made up your mind a year and a half ago...

Ok get your tomatoes ready...
That was just coincidence and a planned event

reply to post by Wobbly Anomaly


Maybe because the moon landing was a hoax. All the evidence points toward it.

reply to post by Lil Drummerboy


Lil Drummerboy, forget the coincidences, in this thread we hve a graph that shows the whole crash of the economy depicted on the graph.

And please, put this firmly in your mind, no coincidences exist.

The only reason you say coincidence is to defend your opinion and because you can't find anything else to say...

How can you say coincidence when that same graph pin pointed February 7 2009, June 25 2009, January 12 2010, February 27 2010, May 6 2010???
Too many right dates to say such a thing!!!

There is no wrong in trying to explain why Timewave is wrong but, thing is, you and many other guys , don't have all the facts and that is not enough yet to debunk it.

You got your shirt hit by tomatoes...

[edit on 8-7-2010 by Zagari]

[edit on 8-7-2010 by Zagari]

what happened on may 6th 2010? Also i have noticed that pretty much every year on the graphs has a pretty major drop on it, just like the one occuring this week. I really don't see much facts behind this theory. All I see is a graph that we assigned days and years to. If there isn't even a proper start date to this graph. how is it possible to determine where it ends?

The start date is determined by August 6/9 1945...That was clearly the most novel day in history we know because its the point from which we discover we can destroy ourselves...

I think that is a date that connects both the beginning and the end of Timewave Zero graph all together.

Don't you remember the May 6 economical trouble?

Originally posted by epsilon69
reply to post by Wobbly Anomaly

 

Maybe because the moon landing was a hoax. All the evidence points toward it.

That would certainly be a valid argument if it were true, but a) I really dont think the evidence points to a hoax at all .....yes i know.....but thats an argument for another thread


and

b) On the original waveh there IS a very definite drop in an otherwise quite flat and eventless graph (which, if this TWZ theory has any weight points to a very novel event occuring on the day the 'moon landing' was broadcast

Originally posted by Zagari
The start date is determined by August 6/9 1945...That was clearly the most novel day in history we know because its the point from which we discover we can destroy ourselves...

I'm sorry Zagari but that is a very subjective opinion because the military and scientists had learned way BEFORE this date that we 'could destroy ourselves' but it didnt become a reality in the conciousness of the rest of the world until AFTER they bombed Hiroshima. Plus this is only a different, more effective way of destroying ourselves. We had bombs and poisons and germ warfare for many, many generations previously.

You could argue that the engine or the computer or agriculture or language were far, far more novel than a big bomb.

The moon landing (as far as this century is concerned) is much more important in expanding the public perception of what we can achieve to SURVIVE, to colonise space and other planets and evolve into the universe at large rather then being stuck on this planet.

Do you think the timewave is only relevant to activity on earth or do you believe it has a wider solar system/galactic/universal significance ?

I too wonder now if instead of August 6 1945 the date with significance is July 20 1969... This would mean anyway that the end of Timewave Zero comes December 5 2036...

And so it means 1984 would have the graphs for 2010...

I can tell you...I just checked and I was amazed to see that ALMOST EVERY graph for 1984 pin points the same dates of 2010 graph and even that the other years before in the 1980s and 1970s are almost perfect in depicting 1999 to 2010 graphs!!!!!

The real way to discover is if something huge happens on August 3 2010 because on that date on 1984's graph there is a point that recalls November 14 2010...
The graph goes down amazingly from August 3 to October 5 with important date also being August 26...

Let's see what happens than. What else can I say? We are experimenting.

[edit on 8-7-2010 by Zagari]

[edit on 8-7-2010 by Zagari]

reply to post by Zagari

I am beginning to enjoy your persistence Z,.. and yes I said that just to rile you guys up. To be honest a large part of my mind finds the TWZ very interesting and I have been keeping an eye on the web bot statements also for quite a while. However,.. as I have stated in some of my posts to you in other threads,.. pinning down dates to events will be very improbable. Nostro and Ed were lucky to have many of their predictions come true to the closest a vague prediction can come. Nevertheless, good luck to you and I will be wagering against you. How about this, if your predictions fail,.. you have to send me a bottle of fine Italian wine,.. white or blush would be nice.. If you are correct.. Something from here in the states of equal value?

I was completely amazed looking at 1970s and 1980s graphs!!!!

I seriously consider enjoying another huge research because I just feel this is going to be the real deal!!!

Timewave 2036??? COOL! We could call Timewave Zero dates for decades!!!! I'm seriously excited!!!

Waiting for August 3 and October 6 2010 because in 1984's graph there is practically the same exact graph of November 14 2010- January 17 2011 at that point!!!

JUST LOOK AT THEM! Check out April 20 1999 and April 20 1975 and December 26 2004 and December 26 1978 and July 7 and August 29 2005 and same dates for 1979 and Fall 2008 dates and 1982 dates and all dates of 2009 and those of 1983 to UNDERSTAND my AMAZEMENT!

Anyway, if you are interested to verifie if we have to look to 1984 graphs to discover 2010's dates ( and this would mean replacing most novel date of the century August 6 1945 with July 20 1969 )...

Look to what happens on these dates:

- August 1-3 very huge novelty, like a November 14 point would be
- It goes straight to October 5

- August 26
- September 26
- October 1
- October 9
- November 8
- November 14
- November 23
- November 18
- November 29
- December 14
- December 22
- December 25

all these are novelty points to see...

Let's see which theory wins the jackpot!!!

reply to post by Lil Drummerboy


Also, we must remember that whatever happens July 11 may not be visible to any of us right away. It could be as simple as an irreversible decision somebody makes which drives the wave downward to the August 11 novelty date. July 11 is the beginning of a downward trend that will last exactly 1 month. So, like me, if you are going to give up on TW0 then at least wait to see what will become painfully apparent over the course of the next month, not just the beginning date. The things that will come to pass will be obvious by August 11 and probably far sooner. However, they may not manifest directly in our faces or MSM until a few days or a couple of weeks after the July 11 date.

I cannot emphasize enough, that date is the beginning of something irreversible and can be as simple as someone giving a command to do something that spirals us down that 1 month trend. You must give the entire drop a chance, not just the start of that drop. This is also my argument against shifting the graph to make it work by the way. We do not know exactly what goes on behind the scenes and just b/c we perceive something as important, the actual event may have occurred much sooner and if we knew about i twe could correspond the graph to it without shifting.

I am an amateur to this, but I am a Physicist and know a little about statistics and mathematical manipulation. That is why I have a problem with shifting the TW0.

reply to post by memarf1
That is a fare enough of a statement.
I plan on watching this closely.
Also ,.. would someone post a snap of the current graph please.



[edit on 8-7-2010 by Lil Drummerboy]

reply to post by Zagari


Zagari, out of curiosity, it seems you have a very neat idea there so I am wondering if you have tried inverting the graph? The reason I ask is that if you keep finding new parallels in the manner you have just described above about TW2036 then it seems every time one grows closer to the "End Date" then we could continue doing the same as you have done above, thus extending the graph indefinitely.

Edit2: You may try an invert and flip around the Y axis as well. Could be interesting to see your results.

If we are able to extend the graph indefinitely then perhaps there is something we are missing. If you simply mirror the graph over the Y axis, then try to match up dates, what happens? When WAS the original zero date that went by somewhat undetected by us? Maybe when we passed that date we began to re-expand the graph into the future and it will continue forever now until a new zero date when the graph should be re-mirrored over the Y axis again.

If not, then perhaps you can simply copy and paste the original graph to the zero date and see what dates come out. Perhaps we are simply repeating ourselves over and over and this graph is the model that describes it. Maybe that is what the Maya were talking about with their cycles. Maybe nothing happens other than the new cycle on the graph begins.

I don't believe any of the above to be true, but it is worth checking out.

To add O2 to the flame, the Dead Sea Scrolls claim the end to be in around 2031, so perhaps you are onto something there. At the least it will add new speculation when 2012 happens with no event. Additionally, Newton calculated that the end could not happen until AT LEAST 2060, put some dates in after that and see what happens.

My guess is that as you expand your dates further and further, you will find more and more correlations since you will have lost much precision.

Edit: I see you posted a krapload of dates above. If none of those hit I will be surprised. If you pick 1 date you have a 1/365 chance of being right, if you pick 2 then you have a 1/182.5 chance of being right. You picked like 12 so you have a 1/30.42 chance in being correct. Way to play the numbers Zagari. haha. No disrespect intended, just seemed prudent to point out.

[edit on 8-7-2010 by memarf1]

[edit on 8-7-2010 by memarf1]

Originally posted by memarf1
reply to post by Lil Drummerboy

 

Also, we must remember that whatever happens July 11 may not be visible to any of us right away. It could be as simple as an irreversible decision somebody makes which drives the wave downward to the August 11 novelty date. July 11 is the beginning of a downward trend that will last exactly 1 month. So, like me, if you are going to give up on TW0 then at least wait to see what will become painfully apparent over the course of the next month, not just the beginning date. The things that will come to pass will be obvious by August 11 and probably far sooner. However, they may not manifest directly in our faces or MSM until a few days or a couple of weeks after the July 11 date.

I cannot emphasize enough, that date is the beginning of something irreversible and can be as simple as someone giving a command to do something that spirals us down that 1 month trend. You must give the entire drop a chance, not just the start of that drop. This is also my argument against shifting the graph to make it work by the way. We do not know exactly what goes on behind the scenes and just b/c we perceive something as important, the actual event may have occurred much sooner and if we knew about i twe could correspond the graph to it without shifting.

I am an amateur to this, but I am a Physicist and know a little about statistics and mathematical manipulation. That is why I have a problem with shifting the TW0.

Your argument here makes the most sense in my mind, and I agree that we should not go shifting the Timewave at will to "fit" certain dates. I've been using the Sheliak version to do my analysis, and seems to me to be the most accurate, to a disturbing degree I might add. This is not only by the mere fact of observing the Sheliak version of the graph and it's correlation to certain "events", but I also read some of Sheliak's research in regards to Novelty theory and a lot of it just makes sense. With that in mind I don't see any value added in shifting the graph, which really dilutes the quality of the work that McKenna, Sheliak, et. al. have put into it.

I also agree with you that we should give the time span of July 11 to mid August to let "THE EVENT" or set of events manifest themselves before we draw any final conclusions; this goes for other ebb and flows on the graph as well. With this argument, it could be said that hindsight is 20/20, but if you believe in destiny and purpose, then these "events" must come to fruition and there is nothing really that any of us can do about them. Having foreknowledge of some great event, is just that, foreknowledge, and all we can do is just observe and react in a manner that is spiritually and morally responsible.

As the saying goes "go with the flow"...

Edit: I would also like to add that the latest webbot analysis by Cliff High (halfpasthuman.com) lends strong corroboration of the Timewave (Sheliak)

[edit on 8-7-2010 by djlaeon]

In the while I would like to create a organized thread about July 20 1969 and 2036...
The problem is, I need someone who adds some graph pictures to make the point because I'm not able to make them be posted in threads.

We might have found out the jackpot finally...I hope...

So, can someone send me a personal message if he/she is available to find for me some pictures of the graphs to be posted into my next thread?

I want people to realize that 1984 graph on Kelley is so much similar to the 2010 one.

- Shifting the y stuff??

I believe I understood your point but you have to consider that this action wouldn't bring to a satisfying conclusion, that's my opinion.

Would it not make sense to create a graph of novel events (not a timewave graph) one which shows events from history that we can (hopefully) agree were novel. The more novel we think they were, the bigger dip we draw.

There is enough reasonably accurate recorded history to do this and we should, in theory, finish up with something that looks like the timewave. Once we have this with, for example, 100 novel dips we can then see if our 'real' graph of events correlates with what the timewave is showing us.

Personally speaking a long list of dates is hard to visualise and certainly future dates are even more abstract. I'd really like to see a 'real' graph of agreed novel events over layed on top the timewave.

Originally posted by Wobbly Anomaly
Would it not make sense to create a graph of novel events (not a timewave graph) one which shows events from history that we can (hopefully) agree were novel. The more novel we think they were, the bigger dip we draw.

There is enough reasonably accurate recorded history to do this and we should, in theory, finish up with something that looks like the timewave. Once we have this with, for example, 100 novel dips we can then see if our 'real' graph of events correlates with what the timewave is showing us.

Personally speaking a long list of dates is hard to visualise and certainly future dates are even more abstract. I'd really like to see a 'real' graph of agreed novel events over layed on top the timewave.

You are TEMPTING ME big time !!!
I love those kind of things I think everybody knows this now.

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Originally posted by ZagariI believe I understood your point but you have to consider that this action wouldn't bring to a satisfying conclusion, that's my opinion.

And that's why you aren't a good researcher. If you are looking something you'll probably find it.

Look at the Lombrosso experiment. A scientist conducted a experiment to see if you can see criminal behavior by looking at the form of skull. He claimed that criminals had protruding jaw, drooping eyes, large ears, twisted and flattish nose, long arms relative to the lower limbs, sloping shoulders, and a coccyx that resembled "the stump of a tail." When other tried to replicated the experiment they didn't get the same conclusion. It turn out that Lombrosso didn't use a proper control group. It's what I learned at a University in the Netherlands. It's not like that on Wikipedia, so what is right?

In real world research you always need a control group to correct your hypothesis. You, on the other hand, are looking at ancient prophecy dates and matching that with a graph you you twist and turn. If you showed me WTC7 free falling to the ground I can believe the inside job theory, but this...

Don't get me wrong, I wanna believe you, but as posted above me, you got a 1/30 somewhat change. Maybe you'll get lucky, but that doesn't change anything. Well maybe you should go to a casino with that kind of luck.

I like to poker; a 1/30 change on one hand is suicide, a 1/30 change to win a tournament is winnable. So if you play your cards right, you'll have a good change to take it all.

[edit on 8/7/2010 by Endpoind]