Timewave Zero - Countdown to Transition

reply to post by Evasius


I have a question, for you, if you will entertain me . . .

I see that in 2010, it is downhill until ~March.

What date in March 2010 do we start the climbing trend? I mean we hit rock bottom novelty in 2010 . . . can you zoom in on the graph and find the exact day the trend starts to rise again?

It looks somewhere between March 12 and March 20.

Current Timewave peak
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Past resonance of current peak (1799)
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I expect this peak in the graph to be similar to the April peak in that this 'road to recovery' we're on will shift back towards uncertainty and fear. You might say we were always headed in that direction, but think back through the last 6 months and what it was like to live through them with the timewave in mind. If you get anything out of this thread, I would prefer it be that you become more aware of our timeline (I have trouble remembering off the top of my head what happened in which year ever since 2001 - time has flown since then. Now I keep track very closely, and when you do that it becomes obvious things follow cycles and are to a degree predictable).

Anyway, think back, maybe even further to October 2008. The crash began on September 15, about 2 weeks before the huge dip into novelty. People thought it would blow over, even when Lehman Bros. failed, things would improve, and catastrophe could be avoided with appropriate actions. After the first week of October, it became clear this situation was not going away - so we fell down and down, and kept falling towards uncertainty, fear, and stress with a few cushioning bumps along the way, including Obama's inauguration.

Then in mid-February we finally get the bailout plan that will supposedly save us all (on the same day of the Israeli elections). Someone at Wiki has subsequently deleted these important events from the 2009 page, which is very curious. That begins our ascent towards rebuilding the world economy, making more jobs, and getting on with life. And then 2 weeks before the April peak, we get the G-20, massive protests, the announcement of 'New World Order,' the true and very public beginning of accelerating globalization. Soon after we have the resonance of the American Revolution taking place all over the world (Thailand, Fiji, Sri Lanka, and even in the US itself with Tax Day Tea Parties). Immediately following that we have the initial swine flu scare and had to endure weeks of fear over our safety and wellbeing.

And so we again fell into novelty again towards fear, chaos, uncertainty. One the way down we endured multiple threats made by North Korea to launch nuclear strikes against the West, all while testing missiles. Flight 447 crashed beginning what seemed to be like a series of crashes all over the world. Swine flu was declared a global pandemic on June 11. On June 12 Iran's elections spur outrage and trigger the coming second Iranian Revolution, which was the direct resonance with the beginning of the French Revolution. And of course, on the very bottom of the dip, Michael Jackson died which became the most talked about event in human history so far.

So now where are we? We approach the August peak (22-23). What's been happening since June 26th? Aside from still talking about MJ, the economy seems to be getting better (according to the mass media - likewise most people believe this, or would at least like to).

World emerges from recession, IMF claims

France, Germany and Japan are out of recession. Who’s next?

The recession that never was?

Sounds great, but anyone paying attention will notice that the economy has been stimulated within an inch of its life and teeters on the second wave of collapse. What's just happened is the equivalent of a hurried home renovation where the owners quickly slapped a bunch of paint over the rust in the hopes of making a profit and getting the hell out - the next owners will have to deal with the resulting damage, debt, and costs.

This August peak marks the transition from 'things are looking up' to 'wtf just happened?' The world won't completely come to that conclusion until later, but it's right there present on the Timewave. But wait, that's not all - dips in the graph are known for the chaos they bring. The chaos in October will be multi-faceted for sure. I can't say specifically what will take place because I obviously don't know, but there is no lack of predictions for October 25th.

Whatever happens, as always, only time will tell.

[edit on 19/8/09 by Evasius]

One interesting thing is that the moments of less novelty in 2011 and 2012 will be similar to the novelty happening around October 2009!
What crazy prediction for the years 2011 and 2012!

It seems that the novelty since 1988 has been always not comparanble to before that year. The same will happen in late 2010.
2011 and 2012 will be nothing compared to the current decade.

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Similarly, even the moments with less novelty in 2009 (January and April) are more novel than anything before, and only a few months back in mid 2006 or in 1996 seem similar. (maybe the spread of the Internet in 96)
So this is a very novel period that will become until March 2010 its maximum.

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Speaking of habit. September 2008 was a similar high habit peak only compared to September 2001 and May 2004 (this last I don't know what it means). There will no comparable habit in the future, as the next habit peak, in October 2010 is identical to November 2008!!!

This is all using a Kelley,Sheliak or Watkins models.

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Strikingly, if we use a Franklin model, then, we are up to the most radical groundbreaking novelty descents ever!!
This happens exactly after 23 August 2009 but is slow and only speeds up after 26 October 2009 (the two webbots dates!) And is unprecedent novelty!

Accordingly to this timewave, the habit peak we are now started in 7 October 2008 and rose further in 23 April 2009, so this would have involved the economic crisis and swine flu pandemic.

Any comment on this Franklin timewave alternative?
It seems the dates are always the same, using the several timewave models. However in some they mean novelty, and in others they mean habit, or in some they are small peaks, while in other version they are big ones.

I would see free-energy, one big revolution, economic crash, nuclear war, alien disclosure, or a spiritual awakening, as one of this events either to occur late this year, October 2009 or late next year, November 2010 (correlations with around 1812 or 1860-1875).
If the theory is correct, is something that breaks with the past, while pushing for increased change and increased oneness. This is my guess.

[edit on 19-8-2009 by segurelha]


[edit on 19-8-2009 by segurelha]

The freefall plunge into novelty will begin on August 22-23, and the lowest point of this plunge is in late October, 25-27. My predictions for what will happen in late October will be military activity in the Middle East, something involving the English monarchy, and a revolt of some kind in the United States. The backward resonance for late October corresponds with the first three months of the year 1811. Here are Wikipedia's listed events for this period:
# January 3 – An unsuccessful slave revolt is led by Charles Deslandes in St. Charles and St. James, Louisiana.
# January 22 – The Casas Revolt begins in San Antonio, Texas.
# February 5 – British Regency: George, Prince of Wales becomes Prince Regent because of the perceived insanity of his father, King George III of the United Kingdom.
# March 1 – Citadel Massacre: Egyptian ruler Mohammed Ali kills the last Mamluk leaders.
# March 13 – Battle of Lissa (1811): The British fleet defeats the French.

So here are three examples of the perceived transition this peak is bringing. In a matter of 24 hours we've had three versions of the current and near future economic outlook:

World emerges from recession, IMF claims

IMF: 'Nascent recovery' under way

It's a recovery, but abnormally slow, says IMF

A quote from the CNN 'Nascent' article:

But in a cautionary IMF paper, he said "it is clear" that the rebalancing may not take place, "at least not on the scale needed".

So for the past 2 weeks we've heard how the worst is over and that a few countries are in fact completely out of the recession and beyond further danger. Analyzing the language above it's clear there are doubts as to what's really going on - either we're fine, we're just about to be fine, or we may not be fine for awhile. What's next? I think eventually the headlines will read 'The Worst Is Still Yet to Come.'

Regarding the economy, it's clear we're approaching a transition - other factors accompanying this transition remain to be seen.

reply to post by Evasius


Not that its essentially important... but a coincidence that I think has been overlooked:

When you say the economic downturn started September 15th, 2008, I started a thread that quotes Rep. Kanjorski on the electronic run on the banks being on September 11.

Check it out. Video is reposted a couple posts down:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Evasius, can you explain one thing to me? If a dip simply means change, why does that change need to be bad? I mean there have been good changes in the past, and just because the last dip was bad doesn't meant this one has to be too.

I mean, it looks like the Democrats will pass health care through reconciliation (i think health care reform is good, I guess its debatable), it looks like a revolution in Iran is a good possibility and the stimulus will start to have a large effect in the US by the time of October. Not to mention that electric vehicles are becoming more prevelant.

As for the economy, I presented a whole arguement I think a page back spanning two posts about why the economy will not collapse, and it seems like everyone just ignored that well reasoned arguement.

I mean, in september of 2008 everyone, not just the IMF thought the economy would recover after Lehman brothers collapsed, and since there was a drop it meant they were wrong. Now the only people who think the economy will do well are people like the IMF, everyone thinks the economy is bad and will stay bad. If everyone thinks the economy is bad, and there will be a drop, doesn't that mean they are wrong and the economy will recover?

[edit on 19-8-2009 by cynic121]

Originally posted by Dracan6
Hey Evasius, Just wanted to throw in a small prediction about the upcoming August peak. Last night while laying awake in bed the I couldn't get the thought of a considerable size hurricane effecting the east coast. I was actually vacationing on the coast of North Carolina last week and I kept getting a ominous feeling.... It felt like a thick, heavy, oppressive, static... Almost like being under water. I thought to myself that this part of the US is about due for another formidable hurricane... There hasn't been one in quite some time. While I was looking at the weather channel a few minuets ago for any inclining towards a system development, 'there are non as of now.' I was thinking about TW0 and if it could possibly make weather predictions. Anyhow, I just wanted to throw that out there and see if this was an intuitive thought or not. Guess we'll see? Any matter, we're all along for the ride.

Hurricane Bill's probable landing spot was North Carolina but it looks like it's moved north.

reply to post by cynic121


The change accompanying dips most certainly does not always have to be bad. Chaotic events are characterized by their newness and overwhelming nature. Unfortunately good things do not catch the attention of the masses due to the focus of the media. Good things will indeed happen during this time, as will truly bad things. The dip just points to the fact that more decisive and crucial events will happen during this time in comparison to other ascending and descending portions of the graph. I don't think I ever said anywhere on any of the timewave threads that dips were inherantly bad.

As for this economic crisis, total collapse is a very subjective event. Perceived as bad by many, collapse actually means fundamental change in the way business is conducted throughout the world. Some consider this to be a good thing. Therefore the dip, if it does bring with it economic collapse, will be good and necessary (but painful) for some, and very bad and catastrophic for others. I personally feel that a collapse lending to the chaotic nature of the dip would be good in the long run, but would also be an utter sh_t-storm while briefly experiencing it.

I'm sure while all this is going on, miracles will happen elsewhere which will likewise contribute to the 'special nature' of the moment.

reply to post by beebs


Perhaps even this event is what caused the Sept. 11 digital run of the banks:

Lehman Brothers shares sank almost 45% on Tuesday on concern that talks about a possible investment from Korea Development Bank had broken down and that the fourth-largest Wall Street investment bank would be unable to raise needed capital.

Key Lehman facts

The above quote referred to Tuesday September 9, 2008 from an article published on the 10th. The whole thing seemed like part of a planned process, and who knows how far back the plans were set in motion.

On the 22nd-23rd Bill should be just off the coast between New York and Boston.

A hurricane does not need to touch land, nor does it need to be all that close to cause untold amounts of damage by sea. Especially when in the Category 3 or over spectrum. Remember Katrina didn't BLOW the houses down, it SOAKED them to pieces. Dykes and levies are probably in much better shape in this region though.

The last thing the economy needs right now is BILL being steered into the area of influence: Manhatten and surrounding areas. A Katrina scale disaster in New York would flatline the US economy, skew insurance actuarial scores for months or even years, wiping out any recovery and compounding the debt.

I was thinking about this earlier today and just had a miserable feeling about it.

(*daydream)I can almost hear anderson cooper's voice breaking up on cnn while foolishly braving the elements. This time will be his last time escaping unscathed if it all goes down. If not killed, he'd probably be taught a lesson about tormenting Mother Earth during her time of the month! "How's that bump on the head healing up Anderson?" says a tormenting Larry King while the panel switches back to Anderson in the hospital... (daydream*)

Let's sincerely pray that the storm doesn't affect any North American in any way.

Originally posted by Dracan6
Hey Evasius, Just wanted to throw in a small prediction about the upcoming August peak. Last night while laying awake in bed the I couldn't get the thought of a considerable size hurricane effecting the east coast. I was actually vacationing on the coast of North Carolina last week and I kept getting a ominous feeling.... It felt like a thick, heavy, oppressive, static... Almost like being under water. I thought to myself that this part of the US is about due for another formidable hurricane... There hasn't been one in quite some time. While I was looking at the weather channel a few minuets ago for any inclining towards a system development, 'there are non as of now.' I was thinking about TW0 and if it could possibly make weather predictions. Anyhow, I just wanted to throw that out there and see if this was an intuitive thought or not. Guess we'll see? Any matter, we're all along for the ride.

On the note of the hurricane... I just wanted to quote myself. In addition, I had another thought today... I have heard in many cases, that about once every 100+ yrs there is a strong storm that strikes NY... I just felt like putting that probability out there as well... Never rule out intuition...

edited for spelling

[edit on 06/24/09 by Dracan6]

Another look at the economic collapse of 2008 and how it appeared on the Timewave:

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Below are consecutive news headlines sorted by date which show how events played out between September 10 and October 8, 2008 (I'm using the 'Business Day' archives which had everything easily accessible). I compiled this information just to serve as proof that the Timewave was extremely accurate in pinpointing the date of October 7 (just as the Web-bot guys were), anyway all the information is here.

I especially find the headlines on October 6 - 8 very interesting, the shift becomes obvious when you can see the event timeline laid out point by point.

September 10, 2008

Lehman Brothers shares sink 45%

September 15, 2008

Lehman collapses, Wall St fights meltdown

September 16, 2008

Bank of America buys Merrill Lynch

Lehman's fate may trigger re-ordering of global finances

B&B caught in Lehman fallout

September 17, 2008

Goldman Sachs posts worst quarter since IPO

AIG on the brink as hopes mount for rescue

US bails out AIG

September 18, 2008

Going gets tough, so Bush tries socialism

Workers brace for next disaster

US forced to seek cash for Fed

Panic hits Wall Street titans left standing

Central banks in rescue bid

September 20, 2008

US brings out big guns to fix credit crisis

September 22, 2008

Goldman, Morgan Stanley no longer investment banks

Congress urged to back $US700b bailout

September 23, 2008

Rescue to include foreign banks

Bailout details still a mystery

September 24, 2008

Financial crisis takes centre stage at UN

Paulson warns of dire consequences if bailout delayed

Buffett buys into Goldman Sachs

Battle heats up over US bailout

Goldman sells $6b stock, doubling planned offer

September 25, 2008

US facing 'grave threats' to financial stability

September 26, 2008

Bush hits the panic button on crisis

US seen losing financial superpower status

Economists warn against rushed rescue

JPMorgan takes over Washington Mutual

US bailout plan in limbo

September 27, 2008

Largest ever bank failure

September 29, 2008

Fire sale of Bradford & Bingley as nationalisation looms

September 30, 2008

Citigroup swallows Wachovia as banking woes spread

Stakes too high to abandon rescue plan: economists

Bailout deal voted down

October 1, 2008

Sell, sell! The day the House sold out Wall Street

Europe scrambles to save banks from meltdown

October 2, 2008

US Senate passes bail-out plan

October 3, 2008

People have never been so fearful, says Buffett

October 4, 2008

US passes $900b rescue plan

October 6, 2008

A shattering moment in America's fall from power

Iceland's economy on brink as lender falters

Bail-out fails to buoy markets

October 7, 2008

Paulson, Bernanke consult as $980b rescue plan readied

European leaders pump billions to counter crisis

Sharpest slide since 1987

Europe battles to contain crisis

Iceland gets $7.6b Russian loan to halt meltdown

October 8, 2008

European disarray as all go own way

IMF warns of major downturn

WOW... amazing research evasius.

Many good things for me to look at.

This thread should be the cover story of TIME magazine... not trying to be punny, but its that important.

Seriously, I am constantly amazed.

Very interesting post, I am starting to believe this stuff.

Is there a place where I can download this program?

As a reply to your analysis, Evasius, here it foes the sequence of this next novelty peak:

22-24 August : habit peaks (astrology and webbot date)
25-26 August: start of novelty increase
28-29 August: sharp novely increase
2-3 September: novelty increase

9-10 September: sharp novelty increase again (and astrology date)
21 September: novelty peak (and astrology date)
27 September novelty peak

3-4 October: sharpest novelty increase
10 October: novelty peak
15-16 October: novelty increase
27 October: greatest novelty peak (and webbot date)
28 December: new turning point

So, let's see once again if timewave gives us a prediction of a new event, as it frequently did during these last months.
I have also included references to the webbot predictions and the most powerful astrological dates.

You know, the most curious thing is that this period not only correlates with 1800s, but also with back 10000 years ago and about 60 Millions years ago, periods of great changes in our planet!

Look also at what the Franklin model of Timewave gives as dates for changes.
It is different than the version you used Evasius, but the turning points are similar.


Or click here

[edit on 20-8-2009 by segurelha]

[edit on 20-8-2009 by segurelha]

OP there is a scientist who actually very detailed SUPPORTS your claims here. Have you heard/seen him?

Evasius.

to your knowledge, is there a considered response to the following objection to the TW/Novelty theory?

"However, it is tempting to test the various number sets and zero dates by checking them against the historical record, however unscientific this may be. Consider, for example, the assassination of John F. Kennedy, surely one of the most "novel" events of the 20th Century. Unfortunately for the theory, none of the Kelly, Watkins, Sheliak or Huang Ti number sets shows this event to occur during a descent, but rather with all four it occurs during an ascent:

Thus defenders of Novelty Theory must accept at least one of the following:

* The assassination of J. F. Kennedy was not an event likely to occur during a descent of the timewave.
* December 21, 2012, is not the correct zero date.
* None of the four number sets is correct.
* Some other aspect of the theory is erroneous."

link to quote

[edit on 20-8-2009 by Tamale_214]

reply to post by Tamale_214

In layman's terms, how is the model shown erroneous?

also


What would the correct zero date be?

reply to post by Lemon.Fresh


in layman's terms:

The kennedy assassination took place in the middle of a long upswing from "novelty" towards "habit".

one would presume that the kennedy assassination would be a catalyst type event that would result in a novelty type drop in the wave.

I don't know what the correct zero date might be. my question to evasius hopes to obtain an answer to this.