Timewave Zero - Countdown to Transition

Originally posted by Matteo

This Timewave Theory is the only realistic theory/invention he ever realised. This theory is right.

Funny story about the way he dis-covered that theory though. Just google it and relate it to your opinion about certain substances and Mc Kenna's opinion about it.

If the theory is right and Mc Kenna discovered it through certain 'brain damaging' means he really got that idea because of the lifestyle he had. The timewave theory could not exist otherwise.

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Terence McKenna was not "too distant to adapt to the Western culture". He was a product of the Western culture, who through the careful, respectful (not careless--how you can say this is beyond me) use of psychedelics managed to see outside of that box. I suggest you attempt to realize that your judgement of him and reality itself is totally conditioned by your experience of Western culture. Not that this is uncommon. I think it is rare that a Western mind has both the penetrating depth and humility to embrace the shamanistic worldview. Luckily for us, Terence McKenna was just such a visionary.

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Friend,Christians and Shamen have been at odds from the beginning.Of Christianity.Our Sacrament predates yours.It merely requires much less faith and a LOT more courage.And a toleration of nausea and strong taste.

Your reality is another way of terming a low dose of the same neuro chemicals Mr McKenna most espoused as strongest.SAME chemical,different dose.And,since Gonzalez vs UDC,legal.In your typical cannon,GOD created both.To condemn one is unscriptural.Terrence called it infantilizing.

There is TIME CODE CALCULATOR available for free on Gregg Braden site.
Braden is author of Fractal Time book which ties to time wave zero theory.

I used that calculator myself and it works. Check it out.

Here is the link
www.greggbraden.com...

Evasius I sent you a U2U about this but thought I would put it here too.

The correlations are very good being that the Green Movement and the Industrial Revolution are the same on the time wave

The current increased Violence in the Middle East is the Napoleonic Wars.

Your thoughts Evasius?

Ted Kennedy just died. According to the news outlets he died right before midnight on the date august 25th, looks like the timewave was corret even though the major event happened right before teh 26th, it still happened on the 25th.

This could set help a lot in pushing health care through. JFK's death helped Lyndon Johnson push through the civil rights act; he argued that the senate should do it to honor JFK. Its very likely that given a few days, the democrats would request that health care be passed in honour of Ted Kennedy, since he pushed it for his whole senate career. Given that Ted Kennedy was a very respected and admired man, some republicans who are retiring, and thus don't rely on health care companies, could vote for health reform.

Whether you think the health reform is good or bad, its definatly a big change and one that would register on the time wave.

Dear friend,

Astrologically, the years of 2010 and 2011 are very strong periods.
In fact this astrological period of intense energy started in early 2008 as Pluto entered Capricorn, a cardinal sign, and then by late 2008, as Uranus made a opposition to Saturn, which frequently coincide with social unrest and economic tension. This alignment should last through the next 5 years, peaking in strengh around mid 2010 to late 2011. Nonetheless, after 2011, there is also a Uranus/Pluto square which occured also during the sixties and thirties, and is a sign of intense social transformation (which lasts until 2015).

So, by looking former identical periods, one can see that starting by somewhere between 2010 and 2011 the energy of tension and change will increase sharply. The years following 2012 promise to be highly charged, particularly by 2013 and 2014. Also, because Uranus enters Aries, which is another cardinal sign, and corresponds to times of social unrest, inventions, revolutions significant changes. Then by early 2020s the time is set again for great advance. Pluto in Aquarius and Uranus in Gemini frequently correspond to wars, particularly revolutionary wars, and great advance in knowledge, and greater changes in science.

By 2022-2028,there is again a cycle that corresponds with great revolution worldwide, greater conflict, and much technological advance. So, one looks ahead and sees a LONG period of important change.

If you look in the short-term, you see a very powerful astrological energy around 15-25 August and again by 15-25 September. I wonder if this could be a economic meltdown that would start by mid September. A Saturn-Pluto square that occurs by October-November could correspond with new social transformation.

The webbot also foresees much intensity for the years around 2011-2014. But I dont take it literally what they forecast.
The timewave sees the increase in novelty, which speeds up by 2011 (correlations with the 1900-2000 century) and a possible big event (exponential novelty) for late 2012.

Originally posted by Tentickles
I would love if some contributors from this thread would U2U me the astrological, webbot and timewave information they have collected. Pretty much anything connected to this field of study.

I find the subject fascinating and worth a piece on ATSnews.com

So please

Originally posted by cynic121
Ted Kennedy just died. According to the news outlets he died right before midnight on the date august 25th, looks like the timewave was corret even though the major event happened right before teh 26th, it still happened on the 25th.

This could set help a lot in pushing health care through. JFK's death helped Lyndon Johnson push through the civil rights act; he argued that the senate should do it to honor JFK. Its very likely that given a few days, the democrats would request that health care be passed in honour of Ted Kennedy, since he pushed it for his whole senate career. Given that Ted Kennedy was a very respected and admired man, some republicans who are retiring, and thus don't rely on health care companies, could vote for health reform.

Whether you think the health reform is good or bad, its definatly a big change and one that would register on the time wave.

man, ARE U THAT DUMB? really, stop and think

this guy that died, really, do you think he mattered to the chinese or the people frm india ... most of the people doesnt even know him ... really ... how is this a major event?

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Depending on what timezone the timewave is based off of, his death could have occurred at the "right" time, according to the timewave, if his death is what was being shown.

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I'm sure the Chinese didn't care about any of the events that the timewave formula correlates with. The formula doesn't, nor is it intended to, predict specific events. The idea of the timewave is about events happening that grab large portions of people's attention. In other words, mass consciousness.

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man, ARE U THAT DUMB? really, stop and think

this guy that died, really, do you think he mattered to the chinese or the people frm india ... most of the people doesnt even know him ... really ... how is this a major event?

Ted Kennedy's death was one of quite a few events that have happened over the past few days that, when looked at together, contribute to the peak in the graph.

Here are just a few making the news (unfortunately they're all America-centric, however they're making headlines around the world):

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/880e007adf03.jpg[/atsimg]

The Jackson ruling directly related to the last dip, the Bernanke appointment directly relates to the October 7 peak and all resulting fluxuation, and the swine flu projection relates obviously to the future... (October?)

A new thread regarding Timewave Zero: Timewave Zero - Nazi Germany and ( the current) United States - Correlation offered some new insight into another resonance that I'm sad to say I have overlooked.

KSPigpen sent me a message a few days ago asking if there was any correlation between the WWII period and today - I replied with my own feelings that, yes, there seems to be a correlation, however mostly in 'feeling.' The nature of the present has some eerie similarities, and seems to be repeating, but in a way like fashions and music styles seem to repeat. Social Cycle Theory came to mind, but given my focus on the last major cycle and the resonance we're tracking of what's currently June 1800, I completely overlooked the time period approaching the Hiroshima blast on August 6, 1945. That event was the major event McKenna anchored the Timewave graph to, and that event which he considered to be the most 'novel' event of the 20th Century determined the subsequent zero date of 2012.

That event marked the transition from the previous cycle to the next and was present of the graph as a mini-2012 where ultimate novelty was achieved and the cycles were joined by a small pivot point where the graph suddenly began to climb again into the 50's, 60's and so on.

Just before the blast, the Timewave played out just as it is and will play out 2009 - 2012, and the resonance follows the present at an almost equal pace (which is fascinating and very odd). I feel quite silly overlooking this major fractal layer which is so very important to understanding just where we're at now in history. It's been difficult basing our understanding of the 'Now' on a timeline from the 1700's, and now we have a crucial key in getting a sense what's currently happening in the world. Now we have 2 resonances to correlate with the present - hopefully this will give us a clearer picture of the future.

I'm currently working on some accompanying information to contribute to KSPigpen's thread, which I will also place here. KSP is using an online flash version of the Timewave (like many of you in the preceding pages of this thread) and noticed a similar bump in the past compared to that next mid next year.

The current resonances are now:

June 1800 and
mid-May 1942

That opens a whole new can o' worms and brings an entirely new and unsettling outlook for the next few years. For me, it just confirms many of these suspicions I've had about what I feel to be happening and what I see happening. This gives our endeavors another dimension.

FYI the upcoming October 25th dip resonates with mid-July 1942 which was a heavy and eventful time to say the least.

Originally posted by Faiol

Originally posted by cynic121
Ted Kennedy just died. According to the news outlets he died right before midnight on the date august 25th, looks like the timewave was corret even though the major event happened right before teh 26th, it still happened on the 25th.

This could set help a lot in pushing health care through. JFK's death helped Lyndon Johnson push through the civil rights act; he argued that the senate should do it to honor JFK. Its very likely that given a few days, the democrats would request that health care be passed in honour of Ted Kennedy, since he pushed it for his whole senate career. Given that Ted Kennedy was a very respected and admired man, some republicans who are retiring, and thus don't rely on health care companies, could vote for health reform.

Whether you think the health reform is good or bad, its definatly a big change and one that would register on the time wave.

man, ARE U THAT DUMB? really, stop and think

this guy that died, really, do you think he mattered to the chinese or the people frm india ... most of the people doesnt even know him ... really ... how is this a major event?

As others have mentioned the point of the time wave is gathering people's attention, and even though this deals primarily with America it grabs attention throughout the world. More importantly, if you don't think Ted Kennedy had a large impact inside, and very much outside the US, then you don't know who Ted Kennedy was and what he did.

Another point is this is just one of several events happening recently, by no means is this event meant to be the stand-alone to cause more novelty in the time wave

Evasius- There is one thing I'm confused about. If we are resonating with May 1940, how come there isn't a major hot global conflict going on? Since there isn't, then that mean resonance is not exact, and there may not be a nuclear detonation in the future. Of course though, there is always the possibility.

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Originally posted by cynic121
Ted Kennedy just died. According to the news outlets he died right before midnight on the date august 25th, looks like the timewave was corret even though the major event happened right before teh 26th, it still happened on the 25th.

This could set help a lot in pushing health care through. JFK's death helped Lyndon Johnson push through the civil rights act; he argued that the senate should do it to honor JFK. Its very likely that given a few days, the democrats would request that health care be passed in honour of Ted Kennedy, since he pushed it for his whole senate career. Given that Ted Kennedy was a very respected and admired man, some republicans who are retiring, and thus don't rely on health care companies, could vote for health reform.

Whether you think the health reform is good or bad, its definatly a big change and one that would register on the time wave.

A Representative from Texas - Sheila Jackson Lee - was on the news this morning and will, when she returns to Congress, request that the healthcare bill be renamed to honor Ted Kennedy.

Perhaps the resonance will be closer than we care to have it.

I give some reason to Faiol on what he said. Ted Kennedy is not really known outside the U.S.

Here in Brazil for example, one of the most watched TV News (Jornal Hoje, from Globo) said about Ted for only a few seconds.

As for the correlation between the present time and the WW II era: i think that it doesn't mean that we're going to have wars or nuclear explosions. As i understand (and i think Evasius and many others have written this before), the Timewave measures the ammount of novelty that's happening at the moment. I think some people are thinking that just because a given time correlates with a past time that had wars, this means we're going to have wars as well. In my opinion, that's not the case.

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Originally posted by Canslli
I give some reason to Faiol on what he said. Ted Kennedy is not really known outside the U.S.

Here in Brazil for example, one of the most watched TV News (Jornal Hoje, from Globo) said about Ted for only a few seconds.

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Thats very true. Its also why ted kennedy's death is just one event out of numerous events.

I adjusted my system and I found other correlations:

Prohibition of alcohol of the Twenties is correlated with June/ July prohibition of alcohol to teenagers in Italy.
We had many cases of teens under 17 who went almost dead because of alcohol during parties.

There were studies on time during 1930-1936 with studies on Einstein Theories. They correlate with the interest in the Timewave Theory.
In those years Americans were rejecting socialism and industry being controlled by government.

Greek forest fires of August 2009 correlate with the fires in the Thirties of Tillamook Burn Forest, fire covered 769 km.

Those days correlate with Pearl Harbour attack.

Women limitations in Italy during the Thirties correlate with the latest August attacks toward gay people by civillians around the Rome area.

September 2009 correlates with 1945 attacks in Japan, and with the start of Marshall Plan in Usa, and Israel-Arabs war, and with Cold War.

It doesn't just correlate with World War 2 currently. The timewave is fractal so repeats at many different levels. World War 2 is the closest repition I believe to us currently but further out in 1800 is also Napoleon correlating in the next 3 months. Any events from 1942 and the early 1800s could resonate in the next 3 months hopefully not involving war.

From a good reason I have the feeling that the correlation that people are doing is very very weak because as Evasius said "unfortunately they're all America-centric" that's the big flaw.

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From a good reason I have the feeling that the correlation that people are doing is very very weak because as Evasius said "unfortunately they're all America-centric" that's the big flaw.

Those are simply the events I had room to put on the image above, however I've very aware of the fact that there's a heck of a lot happening elsewhere in the world.

So, no, not all events correlating are 'America-centric,' only the ones I named. I included the word 'unfortunately' with the hope of appeasing any outcry such as yours.

It has been confirmed. 2012 resonates with 1945, with September 1945 and the surrender of Japan.

That's it, I think we will go through our darkest years toward 2012, and at the very end we will find a solution.
I think a nuke war is probable at these times. This is so sad, but last autumn, by mid-september 2008 I started to have feelings, I was afraid about the nuke, the use of nuke to destroy cities in our world.

It has been like in 2008 I was having feelings in such months, and in the same months of 2009 I understand why.

Just imagine if 2011-2012 we will just explode as a civilization, or better saying, implode.
Just imagine if we go through all war and battles and civil wars cycles in a more closed way, approaching the Maximum of all wars.

Yeah, the people who develops technology will go through the best and most fantastic inventions of the man since the beginning of man, but what about the population in the streets, in the homes, in the governments?

I think we will go through a pressure period, all is happening even more intensively than in the 1942-1945 and the feared scary nuke war escalates all around the world.
We repeat the history? So, you should know, that yes, we should wait for technological paradise, but history is full to the brim of wars.

Imagine if we lived in a history book, our world is the history...Than, with the time passing, this history book becomes smaller, and more small, and even more small...
People is forced by technology to be more near to each other, everybody is forced to stay in front of " the enemy ".

Imagine this history book, the world, shrinking to the impossible, minute after minute, in the last weeks of November- December 2012...
Imagine if people in that world starts the war of all wars...

A war for every war ever fought...
A technological invention capable of changing the world with the intensity of every invention ever built...
A discovery capable of schocking the world with the intensity of all the discoveries of the history of man...

We have the zero date

Zero date is the most awakening point ever in history...We will look at a destroyed world, maybe, most probably...

At this time the history book, the world is imploding, people start the emotional break-point imaginated by McKenna at this point, looking at the destruction of the war of all wars...
The book-world implodes, creating another world...

The aftermath is inimaginable...

Time machine might be activated and all the universes will look at the destruction, something that only 2012 movie could show...

We will learn how, and why, to escape history...
There is no more a history-book, but...the inimaginable world...

History is a punishment, like people who are forced to stay in the same little place until they find the solution to make peace...
We had been " historyzed " by someone...

Now the place we had been closed into is shrinking...We think technology is positive because we are approaching the total vicinancy, every man is our neighbor in front of a computer, with Twitter and Facebook...

Instead, this is the dead-line. We have a date to make peace between us, the dead-line ends in 2012.

You know, the way to get free of something is exaggerating it, you want to be free of history? You want to be free from bad things? Than, you have to empty the history-engine, the bad-engine...

Will we undergo through all the possibility in history and all the bad possible to get free of those things?


Grief feeling helps to grow up...Than, is history immune by growing up?
What's the evolution of history?

I don't know for you, but what I have just written makes me feeling the chills and I want to spend all the time possible with my dear friends, and even with my enemies...

Just think of the end of the Day After Tomorrow...

After the big storms... " Have you ever seen such a clean sky? "






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