Dealing With Denial of the NWO, the Coming Economic Collapse and the Second American Revolution

Great post mate. I could only hope a revolution comes soon. Hence the name

Originally posted by LeeannaHolland


I dunno if anyone is really in denial of anything going on. Most people just do not care, so leave it to others to decide for them. Those really in power know this, and they will accomplish changes that they see as necessary, because of it.

Freedom is not going away, it is just changing.

I completely disagree with the idea of people not being in denial about whats going on in this country. They "Deny" anything is wrong so therefore denial. Your right that most people just dont care. Politics and economics are not realms that the common person delves very deeply into. We are lazy as a people for the most part. We want management to run things while we go about our daily lives and just "Know" things are being taken care of. We dont want the responsibility or hassle of having to deal with problems. Heck for most americans there just isnt time to deal with it with everything else going on in our lives. Too much info to try and keep track of yet we do tune in to the news and try to stay fresh and current however we do tend to tune out as well and just leave it for the next guy to stand up and say NO ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!
Freedom doesnt change either. It is or it isnt. The freedom your talking about changing , what is it changing into? What i see happening in this country is socialism rushing into our country like a flood after the levee breaks. Its going to spill onto everything because americans are more than willing for the most part to sit by and allow the leaders of this country like Obama to run things the way they want just so long as we can still go about our daily lives. We dont get concerned until it affects us individually.
Thank god there are movements like the tea party movements where people band together and say no more.

Personally i dont see a way of stopping the coming storm because although alot of people see it coming and dont like it, dont know what else to do to prevent it. Shelter in place is the thing to do and then pray you fair better than most in the aftermath.

As far as rising up for freedom yes i would. I will. I will not allow my freedoms to be taken. I will be a voice of opposition in those days should they come and yes i will suffer whatever punishments are met out by whomever wishes to silence me. I did not vote for obama and i do not feel like he is my president. I say this knowing people will sound off against me for this saying that i should support our president even if i didnt vote for him. A house divided cannot stand and all that jazz. Well i did not vote for him and i see him and his socialised democrasy as a huge threat to this country and the way of life for its people.
He wants to bring change regardless of what the cost is. He will bring change whether you like it or not. You dont know whats good for you but Obama does and he is going to "FIX" us. Pretty soon all your freedoms will be gone and you will be Allowed only what the government says you will. I am sick of the media deifying the man and he hasnt done anything to warrent it. He has done absolutely nothing spellbinding to me so far.
Let him Fix this country and let me keep my liberty and then i will think he is a great man. I guarantee you one thing though, the cost he will exact in order to bring about change is more than i am willing to pay. I DO NOT WANT MY FREEDOM TO CHANGE!!!!

I have been one of the sheeple being led around without a care or clue. That time is over. If anyone out there has suggestions on how to get active against the coming storms please let me know.

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Giant Amen to you on your post. Yous said exactly what i was thinking but didnt know how to say. I label myself in that group who let it happen and worry more about myself than my neighbor. This country once was great and for a reason. People looked out for each other. I frequently remark about how back in WWII people signed up to go to war and fight for this country and for what was right. They supported the troops and they were heros. We were unified as a people for the most part. Where did it all go so wrong. IMHO we allowed ourselves to be seduced by luxuries and have lauded around like we are the best cause were american and now look at us. No longer to be envied by the rest of the world. We are fat, Lazy and more concerned about our techy toys and reality tv than the problems facing the world until now that is, when the problems threaten the very fabric of our social order. So we elect obama who just ate it all up and promised change yet not one person asked how this change was going to occur or at what cost. Well goodbye to freedom in my opinion and welcome to generation obama.

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
Two things you missed....

1. We are ALL ALREADY SLAVES to the system.... not just my employees but me too

You're only a slave if you want to be. I work in a job I really enjoy doing and earn enough that I haven't even had to think about my bills or mortgage payments for the past 3 years or where my food is coming from. I am not a slave to the system, the system is a nonentity to me .

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
2. You don't know what my relationship is with the people who work for me... what did I say... Jobs are for losers... except what? Except if you are saving your money to start your own business.... I create entrepreneurs... And in return, they earn me money...

So people earn your money for you, that's great! How is that being a slave to the system again? Please remind me.

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
So don't go acting like I'm some kind of slave owner... we are all in the same boat... the difference is some people wake up, and others don't

Well since you've clearly woken you'll be one to stand up with us and make a difference, wont you?

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
Oh I do... the thing is though, that I don't give two wags of a tail about the obecjtive world at all... there are no real rights there... I care only about the subjective sphere and changing my reality from the inside...

So what happens when you're bunged onto the train to be gassed at the camps? Are you just going to sit there and mope about how victimized you are? Suddenly your death seems less like extermination and more like euthanasia.

Originally posted by HunkaHunka

Why would my opinion differ?

So you'd take the luciferean pledge? You believe that the world should only be populated by a statistical elite?

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
No you missed my message...

I ONLY CARE ABOUT MY SUBJECTIVE SPHERE...

You don't get it yet... I create my own reality, and so do you... I create it with my views, my interpretations of events, my will, and my thought patterns.

Just like you... that is the only true power there is in this world...

So what is going to happen to your subjective sphere when the NWO comes along and says 'You know that thing you were just thinking? Don't think that.'
What are you going to do when you're told what to say/do/eat/go - hell your business might even get closed down and you'd be put in a job where they think your skills are better served and you'd probably hate it.




What facts?

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
Not at all.. I'm trying to let you know that riches and power all come from our mindsets... it has nothing to do with materialism...

You love money, it's clear. Money is a material.

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
Read the declaration of independence sometime. There's a reason why the word INALIENABLE is there! they CANNOT be taken, not by you, not by our govt. Not by ANYBODY!

Oh but they are being taken. You're not independant. You just said yourself you're a slave to the system. No sign of independance there.



I think you feel useless and defeated by something clearly bigger and more powerful than you. But when you're sitting there wallowing in your uselessness, consider this.

Everything around you, the car you drive, the money you earn, the appliances you buy, the TV you watch, the Internet you use, the phone you call on, the way your clothes and shoes are made, the way your coffee is made and the dirt in your garden tilled...

All of those things were only possible because of one man armed with a kettle.

And that man, and his kettle not only changed the way the world looked at itself forever, not only changed history forever, but also shaped the future for millennia to come.

I'm Still new and can't start a thread. I love ATS but all the topics on the war and what's going on. can't anyone see your just feeding the fire. Where is the topic of World Peace. and how we can accomplish that. The news and Info is AMAZING and everyone should be proud of them selfs. it's just time that we start showing peace. loving peace and wanting peace. we don't need radicles that are going to go out an cause harm. we need people that will love. cherish. and use law's to put down the people that are harming others. whether it's on are home land or someone else's. Murder is a crime that doesn't need to be. also keeping people alive in hospitals should also be a crime. some times natural death is the best. and keeping someone alive on machines is wrong. if someone no longer has the brain compasity to use their sole and use there brains you should alow them to acend to a better place. as people as a race as a society we need to come together with an understanding to move forward. we still live in the same times as ancent soceity's. we live in a free country or society well. if i don't pay my government my money that i earn in taxes sure enough someones at the door taking my possesions or taking me to jail for crimes. if i indulge in pot. or mushrooms i'm a criminal. things like that should not be aloud. governments have put us in this situation. they hold stuff from us. they are the real criminals and even the ones that dislike what's going on feed their fire. you do know if you had 1000 SOBER people. loving just wandering walking around spreading good word that 1000 would turn to 10,000 then would turn to 100,000 an so forth. peace start's within. love starts within. it's time to step up and show the government how to love. instead of fighting for asencion to become a god you already are. we are all gods. now let's do are godly duty and love like no other. to show compasion to thouse loser in charge. i really do feel sorry for them. I say them because we as people really have no clue. to why we're here to how to move forward. but it's like ants 1 ant can't figure out how to survive on it's own lovingly. but you get thousands of them and they move in together to accomplish a goal. well i feel are goal should be to have a world of love. think about how many members are on ATS. if we all love. and ask for peace. well guess what'll happen. if you go home and love your family. go out of your way to make people happy instead of expecting people to go out of there way to make you happy. we'll all be happy together. and with an overing powering number it'll be much easier to reach a goal. and it'll all start from a topic of starting world peace. and how? if we all lovingly put are minds and hearts together and become one. if there's never 1 person in charge. if everyone govern's there own teritory rather then A MASSIVE peice of land. and we all respect and we all move forward as a tribe or a nation. we can all experience all the joys everyone else does. and to add my end. secret society's run things because they believe they are better smarter then the rest of the world. and as people we alow them to believe that. we are all strong gods now let's act as gods and put a start to love, empathy, and respect of all. especially are one mother... that's mother nature. no one would disrespect there birth mother why are we disrespecting the sole that created this beautiful place to live. we have a world to explore let's do it lovingly and find as what we humans are capable of. stop trying to figure out what alien race there is. stop trying to figure out about vampires and conspiracy's let's just love. and start a life of love. when i say love i mean it for the way i take it the Law's of Vibratonal Energy. as long as people move forward and don't hurt others trying your a good person. weither your into drugs, sex or whatever it may be. if you do it lovingly and rightfully as in not hurting others you can acend together as 1. and who knows

who knows.. maybe we'll acend together and be the creators of are own "earth" as above so belove. what's running the outside's running the inside.
one love.

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HunkaHunka will never understand it seems. He agrees he's a slave to the system and is ok with it. He accuses those of us going against he govt. as being selfish "materialists" when he himself says that he loves the wealth he's getting. He agrees with us that our rights are inalienable, but isn't willing to fight to protect them. Or at least, he doesn't understand that, the powers that be are trying to take them away. He actually AGREES with the Bush mantra of "If you haven't done anything wrong, then you shouldn't have to worry about us invading your privacy and spying on you" (funny, since he's a liberal hippie) It seems then, that he agrees with the mantra of "GUILTY until proven innocent" not the other way around.

The guy is honestly a walking, talking embodiment of hypocrisy and irony all rolled into one.

reply to post by omnilight


A word of advise, learn the use of paragraphs. I'll be honest in that hardly anyone will bother reading your post as it is simply a strewn block of text.

Originally posted by James Random

So what happens when you're bunged onto the train to be gassed at the camps? Are you just going to sit there and mope about how victimized you are? Suddenly your death seems less like extermination and more like euthanasia.

Have you ever read Mans Search for Meaning? This book was a turning point in my life. I was in a very personal hell. Everything which I espouse can be found in the concepts of Viktor Frankl...

Now... keep in mind, that he came up with the same ideas that I have WHILE HE WAS IN THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS WAITING TO BE GASSED

You see, it's not about the outside... it's about how we react to the outside, internally.

It's about meaning... not about power. Now, if "fighting the power" brings you meaning, well then so be it. I spent the first 30 years of my life doing that... and it brought me nothing but more frustration and unhappiness and eventually meaninglessness void...

However, now I'm very very happy no matter what happens to me in life, even during physical pain I have happiness, even when oppressed, I have happiness, it is something that just cannot be removed. And although it's much more than logotherapy that has brought this happiness to me, the foundations of what I speak of can be found in Viktor Frankls accounts of his own life...

So don't act like there is this big bad concentration camp that can remove those things... nothing I tell you.... nothing can remove my responsibility for how I feel, unless of course I give it away and assume there is some sort of authority outside of myself... which there isn't.

reply to post by Question


That is very true. the sad part is. all the love people talk about. I'll get missed all because my Punctuation is not proper or i have bad english. it's more about the idea then the grammer. this is why we are soo stuck in are time. but maybe your right instead of being un noticed maybe i'll fill my time more wisely and it's the very reason i didn't want to sign up to this web site is because i didn't feel i'd be given the time of day because of my grammer skills. but thank you, you've shown me i'm right. even the nice smart people that want love, are still ignorant to people they feel are "bellow" them. I thought i was comming to the right place to spread a good word. guess not. this sites soo lame. people here even that want the best are hypocrits. sorry thanks for pointin it out. but if it's true this web site and everyone on it disgust's me. have a nice day

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word of advice. i don't give a **** i'm not here to impress people with my paragraph skills and grammer. not really here to try an impress anyone just throwing my idea's out. trying to get people to love. and you shut me down. you could atleast READ it an make a reply with some advice after. it's my first post dude. and i really don't care for it to be perfect. perfect is an imaginary thought. i know your trying to help. but most people that try to help make a situation worse. you'd be helping more by replying giving some insight like hey dude what your wrote's not right this is why. or maybe heyyo everyone the guy with bad grammer made some sense. it doesn't matter to me. thanks for the advice but i bet you didn't even read what i wrote. and if you did can you send some input. all i'm really here for. if i want english i'll go to school

reply to post by omnilight


That was the single largest example of denial I think I have ever seen in one place. I had to stop in the middle and go out to dinner before I could finish it. Thank you for that example of the very subject matter of this thread.

You need to understand that no one wants peace more than the soldiers you people send out to get shot up in your silly little wars, so you don't have to go, and instead can stay home and decorate gun barrels with flowers or whatever it is you do for recreation. Yes, I said it right, the people YOU send out to get shot up in your silly little wars, so you can avoid the responsibilty for your own actions and inactions. We die, so you don't have to, and you get to stay home, safe and snug in your beds, all tucked in, knowing your secure because the big mean evil guys with the guns will watch out for you, and you don't have to worry about evil crossing your doorstep, ever. NOBODY wants peace more than the soldiers. NOBODY.

Yes, murder IS a crime, and without us, you're on the receiving end of it. I suspect you to be one of those poor souls who lack sufficient capacity to discern between MURDER and killing. There IS a difference, however much you care to deny it.

A 'vibrationally ascended whachamacallit godlet' WHAT? You're a god? tell me that again in a thousand years. Ought to be an easy short-term goal for an immortal. If you're a god, then YOU stop the war. I'll be more than happy to go back to being left alone in peace. Soon as you get that little thing done for me.

Until then, I'll watch and wait, thank you. Watch for those who come for myself, my friends, and my family. And when that day comes, as it surely must if you don't get your little godlet fanny in motion and stop it, I'll give a practical demonstration of LOVE, by getting between my loved ones and the danger, and trading bullets with the enemy. I always have, and I reckon I always will, until my bullet finally comes for ME, which is a given as far as I'm concerned.

I apologize if you take this as a rant, or feel that it rocks your hippy-fied, love-filled, flower festooned little fantasy boat, but I have little to no patience with folks that live in a fantasy world where they think they can 'love' themselves out of any catastrophe without practical action. Such folk usually wind up very, and irrevocably, DEAD, godlet or not, unless there's some poor slob like me around to stop the mayhem from being visited upon them. I hope you have someone like that near when the time comes.

I can't believe I held my breath through that whole rant.

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You should read about Exemplary Dualism.

It might afford you some insight into your frustrations...

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reply to post by omnilight


There's nothing wrong with your english. Punctuation and paragraphing could help to get your idea across better, but looking after that is up to you. It all depends on whether or not you REALLY want to get those ideas across. I think I grasped them fairly well, regardless.

Another thing - I've had dinner with homeless men in their camps, and I've walked with royalty. In all of that, I've NEVER met any one who was "below" me, nor anyone who was "above" me. I sure hope I wasn't included in that category, but if I was, you are entitled to your opinion.

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If you took Question's suggestion that breaking a monolithic block of text up into paragraphs makes it more readable as an attempt to "fight", I must assume you don't have a whole lot of experience "fighting", and won't recognize it when it really does come at you.

It's pretty sad when someone uses an attempt at constructive commentary to try picking a fight.

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dude honestly. you clearly work for the government and guess what it's a load of #. and YES we are ALL GODS an no i can't stop this war i never started it. and no one's going to come and kill me in my own home unless the person LIVES IN MY OWN COUNTRY. the reason i sent 2 posts is because i didn't realize the first sent. but guess what you can put me down all you want i never once cut up war vet's or the army. i cut up the government. and who they are an what they stand for. OBAMA went over there i'm sure someone coulda popped him at any second but THEY didn't the only reason people fight is BECAUSE of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. your just another puppet running there game for them. and i'm glad for you because i am sitting at home in my house all comfortable but not because your out fighting a war BECAUSE I CAN. I DON'T HAVE TO FIGHT OR BELIEVE IN A WAR. you choose to go to war and if you didn't have that choice just goes to show how much your government has control over you.

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and there is no difference between murdering someone and killing someone IT IS THE SAME if i take someone out in self defense am i going to get killign in the 3rd degree NO it's MURDER. any way you want to justify it to feel good in your own mind gooooo for it. but in the big picture you killing people that are defending there own territory. what's the war over is the state's going to take over iraq iran and afganistan. NO why once everyone's dead is that going to solve this problem that was started because of 9/11 or was it desert storm pretty weird how the last 2 wars WERE BOTH STARTED WITH A BUSH IN administration. why is that. honestly you tell me. i know the crashed planes into the twin towers. but we only know that the government say's that it was laden and huisean. they wouldn't lie to anyone ever right. they've always been known to tell the whole truth and nothing but. man if there was a danger they'd be here we wouldn't have been able to fly and boat over there in time to stop them. but now we are on there soil killing there people. WHO WOULDN'T RETALIATE i'm all for love i'm all for it all but if someone came to my home soil to basically just kill me off cause they say i'm bad. well guess what i'm going out guns a blazzing. but instead of having a full inquary and full disclosure there's secrets and hidden and we should just trust an not ask questions. just go over an KILL as you'd put it all these "bad" people. cause if we wern't over there they'd be here killing us in are own homes. guess what i'm pretty sure we all picked this up when we were young. 2 wrongs don't make a right. it's still wrong if you retaliate. and honestly you think they just crashed 2 planes into are building because of what that we don't believe the kha-rhan NA WRONG. if they did do it it's because the states had it coming. and if they didn't do it. the states still have it coming and tehre still going to come over here an start killing off all the americans. just to get even. honestly i guess this is the way the world should think if someone disrespect's me i'll just pop them and say it's killing and not murder and get away with a slap on the wrist. I DON'T THINK SO i'll be thrown in jail. and if i was in US of the A some places would even give me the death penality. so you tell me why when i citizen kills someone it's murder but if i soldier does it. it's justifiable. in that case anything and everything justifiable and laws should be abbolished.

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OH and if you've never met someone below you. you must feel awefull guilty about your soo called killings over sea's because well BUD killing someone the reason your killing them is cause you feel your better and that you should survive instead of them. it's survival of the fittest but to be the fittest you have to look at yourself as above them or else you wouldn't beable to pull the triger. you being over there over sea's fighting in a war is telling people you think your better then the people your fighting against

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omnilight... you sure are full of idealism aren't you? I am so glad you are here to give us all the answers to all of life's problems facing us. However, cussing at people while preaching about peace and your atrocious grammar and spellng may tend to make us shy away from your infinite wisdom.

Why don't you just write your response in Microsoft Word first and let it correct all of your spelling and grammar for you?