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Originally posted by nenothtu
Seems to me if that were a problem, then it would be MY problem, not the government's, to fix.
Originally posted by watchtheashes
reply to post by moocowman
Did you maybe think you shouldn't tell me things like that or you'll regret it with much pain later? I love reading the Word of God. It's pure.
Originally posted by miragezero
Originally posted by nenothtu
Seems to me if that were a problem, then it would be MY problem, not the government's, to fix.
It still isn't your problem as it is now in its entirety. The insurance companies often determine how long your doctor gets to spend with you and what treatments for a specific ailment that you are allowed to receive under a certain plan. You can say whatever you want but that is the way that it is currently for a lot of the people that do have health insurance. For the ones that do not which amounts to 46 million in 2007 then you are on your own. For yourself that would not be a problem but for the large percentage of americans that want the government to step in in some form alongside private plans then that is a problem. I recently talked with a woman who could not get federal aid for her small child's severe genetic disorder because she had a combined income of above 21000 dollars yet she does not have health insurance any longer. No child in the United States should be without the best health care available to science at no expense to the parent. I don't care if you have to pay for it or me or whoever. As for your personal health care, I seriously doubt you will ever be forced to accept care you do not desire.. any dispute of this is once again unfounded conjecture on your crybaby response the single payer (an option that isn't even passed) option that has note even been passed yet. So once again, you "patriots" are at odds with the majority of the populace. This can be verified with a million surveys and even if you care to conduct a personal one with the average Joes you encounter.
[edit on 27-6-2009 by miragezero]
Perhaps you're ignoring the fact that it talks about Babylon exalting herself above the heavens. I made a mistake myself in thinking there was a mistake. It's Jeremiah 51:53 and talks about how America ascends to the heavens above all others. This could be taken as a reference to our capabilities in space adding to everything else that is spot on.
Originally posted by moocowman
reply to post by ancient arrow
Thanks for your great post it is very humbling to hear the voice of over 40000 years worth of living in harmony with the environment.
I note with interest, your people were not unfortunate enough to be contacted by Yahweh or jesus at any time during the eons your people walked the land.
It never cease to amaze me, the kind of intellectual gymnastics that christians will do, to try and fit indigenous peoples into their "God Delusion"
Please keep posting It is a like a breath of fresh air in the claustrophobia of reason called xtianity.
Originally posted by moocowman
reply to post by watchtheashes
Perhaps you're ignoring the fact that it talks about Babylon exalting herself above the heavens. I made a mistake myself in thinking there was a mistake. It's Jeremiah 51:53 and talks about how America ascends to the heavens above all others. This could be taken as a reference to our capabilities in space adding to everything else that is spot on.
Here is Jeremiah 51:52 - 54
There is no mention of America ! There is no mention of a Space Program.
The chapter discusses Babylon ! Where was Babylon ? Iraq !! How can we be sure that someone who is discussing Babylon actually means Babylon when he says Babylon ?
Because he also discusses the Chaldeans !!
Dude get your head from out of your butt stop believing all the BS your pastor tells you and do a little reading and thinking.
Why oh why do xtians condemn fortune telling but practice it themselves? Whe will our earth be free of these delude people ?
52Wherefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will do judgment upon her graven images: and through all her land the wounded shall groan.
53Though Babylon should mount up to heaven, and though she should fortify the height of her strength, yet from me shall spoilers come unto her, saith the LORD.
54A sound of a cry cometh from Babylon, and great destruction from the land of the Chaldeans:
So do you need a map with an X marks the spot where Babylon was ?
Or are you sticking with your America is Babylon, which would mean that Nebuchadnezzar was the king of America ?
Xtians please grow up santa is not real !!
In Gematria New York equals 666 and America Sins is also equivalent to 666.
Yup the number 666 was done earlier dude, you will be interested to learn that the number in question was not 666. How do we come to this conclusion ?
The newest volume of Oxyrhynchus Papyri contains a fragmentary papyrus of Revelation which is the earliest known witness to some sections (late third / early fourth century). A detailed discussion of its place in the MS tradition is given in the printed volume.
One feature of particular interest is the number that this papyrus assigns to the Beast: 616, rather than the usual 666. (665 is also found.) We knew that this variant existed: Irenaeus cites (and refutes) it. But this is the earliest instance that has so far been found. The number — chi, iota, stigma (hexakosiai deka hex) — is in the third line of the fragment.
I'd upload a picture of the fragment for you to study but haven't figured out how to do this yet, I'll try and find a website carrying a pic of the fragment.
No doubt you will argue till your blue in the face that this very real tangible evidence is incorrect and you know better.
No doubt Helen will come along and write some greek as though that would somehow turn 661 into 666.
The fact that we have 3 numbers in the gospels that relate to the mark of the beast, shows that
(A) The "word of is contradictory" should you take the bibles literally.
(B) If the bibles are not to be taken literally then it is a make it up as you go along situation. Pick what you think will fit your (or what your pastor tells you) own agenda and insist that it is correct simply because you say it fits.
No evidence required.
Finally when you fail to prove or are proven incorrect, then the good old "Ah, but its' all about faith" get out of jail free card.
Yup "I just choose to believe it ,I don't require evidence."
Such, then, being the state of the case, and this number being found in all the most approved and ancient copies [of the Apocalypse], and those men who saw John face to face bearing their testimony [to it]; while reason also leads us to conclude that the number of the name of the beast, [if reckoned] according to the Greek mode of calculation by the [value of] the letters contained in it, will amount to six hundred and sixty and six; that is, the number of tens shall be equal to that of the hundreds, and the number of hundreds equal to that of the units (for that number which [expresses] the digit six being adhered to throughout, indicates the recapitulations of that apostasy, taken in its full extent, which occurred at the beginning, during the intermediate periods, and which shall take place at the end), - I do not know how it is that some have erred following the ordinary mode of speech, and have vitiated the middle number in the name, deducting the amount of fifty from it, so that instead of six decads they will have it that there is but one. [I am inclined to think that this occurred through the fault of the copyists, as is wont to happen, since numbers also are expressed by letters; so that the Greek letter which expresses the number sixty was easily expanded into the letter Iota of the Greeks.] - Adv. haer. 5.30
You know I really feel sorry for you at this juncture
Originally posted by helen670
reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
Hi/
I dont think that the original post says Obama is the antichrist!
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helen