N. Korea slams U.S. nuclear umbrella as declaration of war+

I believe N Korea is going to start a war on June 24 2009.

I see Saturn approaching N Korea's natal sun and being exactly conjunct on June 24.

Saturn can mean the US and UN restricting N Korea's sun. But also N Korea's Saturn is retaliating by opposing the current Chiron - Jupiter - Neptune conjunction in the sky. This pretty much sums up today's situation. But will it lead to war?

Looking at the God of War, Mars, it's conjunct Venus in the sky and in a smooth trine to N Korea's natal sun. That means N Korea will receive military support from someone.

astro-thoughts.blogspot.com...

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North Korea will try and fail. There is simply no way they can do it. The crazy old man might try it in his old age, but the fact is that technology has long since made the nuclear missile obsolete. The only ways to nuclear bomb an enemy in the modern era is through espionage. There simple is no longer any viability in the missile. unless your enemy has no means to stop it.

Originally posted by Gorman91
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North Korea will try and fail. There is simply no way they can do it. The crazy old man might try it in his old age, but the fact is that technology has long since made the nuclear missile obsolete. The only ways to nuclear bomb an enemy in the modern era is through espionage. There simple is no longer any viability in the missile. unless your enemy has no means to stop it.

Well that really depends on the combination of things. Air strikes are the most rational equations as the distance needed combined with low flight increases the level of a possible attack highly successful, then i guess the medium range would come into affect, combined with an artillery strike and ground forces with naval support and you have yourself a limited skirmish.

Originally posted by whatcheek
I believe N Korea is going to start a war on June 24 2009.

I see Saturn approaching N Korea's natal sun and being exactly conjunct on June 24.

Saturn can mean the US and UN restricting N Korea's sun. But also N Korea's Saturn is retaliating by opposing the current Chiron - Jupiter - Neptune conjunction in the sky. This pretty much sums up today's situation. But will it lead to war?

Looking at the God of War, Mars, it's conjunct Venus in the sky and in a smooth trine to N Korea's natal sun. That means N Korea will receive military support from someone.

astro-thoughts.blogspot.com...

Not to sure if they follow astrology but i can guess that it would be a factor if they are gearing up for a confrontation.

Originally posted by Gorman91
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North Korea will try and fail. There is simply no way they can do it. The crazy old man might try it in his old age, but the fact is that technology has long since made the nuclear missile obsolete. The only ways to nuclear bomb an enemy in the modern era is through espionage. There simple is no longer any viability in the missile. unless your enemy has no means to stop it.

well put, the best post yet.

what makes you think we will engage in nuclear war with nkorea if they decide to launch one. usa is farrr beyond missiles, its the year 2009 here not ww2.
weve got biochemical warfare which would be way more efficient
, also has anyone here heard of the haarp weapon they have? do your research they csn create earthquakes and natural disasters with this weapion, not to mention its uses for opening large holes in the ionisphere letting in radiation ftom the sun and god knows what else.

nuclear war is old news, star wars /satellites and chemical warfare is the future
. any smart person knows the key to winning a war is espionage and infiltration through the inside.

these are scary times for the human race, there is a war game going on under our noses. all countries are starting to make moves, isreal iran palestine, georgia russiaa china usa nkorea the list goes on. russia and china are the only real threat in my opinion. they are good at decieving wich is the key to victory.

just my 2 cents, peace

Well Haarp can't do that I think. You really have a much better chance using resonance frequencies for the missile's specific make up. You could easily boil the gas and explode the missile in mid flight. Lasers do the same.

Haarp can't do much yet. It's just a bunch of metal antennas. They can't affect the weather yet. You'd need satellites to get it around the globe too, and it would be silly to be bothered risking a bounce off the atmosphere and hitting yourself.

just putting this out there but 3% of haarps radio frequencies being released into the earth tapped almost every oil field in the world. imagine what 100% of its radio frequencies pumped into designsted areas could do.
theres bin speculation thst haarp created numerous earthquakes in asia.

but our point us basicly newage war= minipulation, espionage, infiltration from the inside. why blow the planet up

The U.S. did openly say that unless Australia upgrades its military it will not be considered a deterant in the next 5-10 years. Naturally you all have heard of the new budget and upgrade on all fronts of the Australian Forces.

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Oh Amen to that. Destroying the enemy while leaving their people and equipment in full operation is the goal.

Not too sure if the would use harp or if harp has a 99.9% success rate.

korea isnt like afghanistan and iraq its not a desert, now they are dealing with a naval based army in korea and a mastermind of a leader (however very insane) in kim jong ill. i think russia and china will decieve the world and make it look as if they are in cahoots with usa . but together they have the potential to be a real threat to the world, theyve already bin testing weapons with eachother and exchanging knowledge, now look what just rescently happened, china got caught hacking the us cia files and govt files.
this is very scary china is stealthly gatheting info with newage technology. for what?

just incase.....

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China is very switched on with 5th and 6th generation and who ever think otherwise is most certainly in for a surprise.

North Koreans have no balls?

I take it you've never fought them or you wouldn't say that. That's simply moronic.

But what's worse is nearly universal lack of understanding that li'l Kim doesn't play by the same set of rules others do, and therefore doesn't define "victory" or "winning" in the same way: that is the truly scary part.

Most people approach war like a bar fight: a good dust-up, a few get hurt, everybody has something to talk about and bet on.

Kim doesn't.

War has a different purpose and execution for him. I don't pretend to know what goes on in his head, but I do recognize when I'm dealing with someone whose thinking is out of normal bounds.

Nuking Seoul and/or Tokyo would probably constitute victory for him, regardless of consequences.

Be sure you know how the other guy counts victory before you get tangled up with him, or you will surely be unpleasantly, not to say horrificaly, surprised.

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I guess about now i should show this link, do take the time to read what they are telling their citizens, the English page is very basic, but the content is very revealing.

www.kcna.co.jp...

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Yes, that's chilling.

To apprecriate the implications and get a feel for the direction of the North Korean's thoughts you need to know what "Songun idea-based mode of counter-action" actually means.

Try these links:

en.wikipedia.org...

www.redbannerofsongun.org...

uk.geocities.com...

Like I said, different rules, different definitions.

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Very good reading material in the links. These views often over looked when one refers to N.korea. It is also worthy to note that although this thread does specifically say "N. Korea slams U.S. nuclear umbrella as declaration of war+, so it is evident that the U.S. has assured the S.Korean's and Japan with the full Military protection or has it ?

Now comes the interesting side of the following article,

US PRESIDENT Barack Obama was set on Tuesday to meet with the leader of South Korea, who is seeking security guarantees as a standoff escalates with nuclear-armed North Korea.
The summit comes a day after the latest show of defiance by North Korea, which said that some 100,000 people rallied to denounce a tightening of UN sanctions on the hardline communist state for testing a nuclear bomb.

South Korean President Lee Myung Bak has indicated that he wants Mr Obama, who has set a goal of abolishing nuclear weapons, to reiterate that South Korea is under the US security umbrella.
Secretary of Defence Robert Gates told Mr Lee in a meeting on Monday that the United States was committed to defend South Korea 'through all necessary means, including the nuclear umbrella,' Mr Lee's office said in a statement. The United States stations some 28,500 troops in South Korea and more than 40,000 more in nearby Japan, which has tense relations with Pyongyang.

President Lee, a conservative businessman, took over last year and - delighting many in Washington - reversed a decade-long 'sunshine policy' under which South Korea put few restrictions on aid to the impoverished

www.straitstimes.com...

Since it has been mentioned that the U.S. will back on a military scale both Japan and S.Korea, why would S.Korea require the U.S. to confirm what has been already mentioned. Is there a distrust of the U.S. intentions as to at what level of umbrella support it would provide.

Indications are that the U.S. want nothing more to do with N.Korea apart from exchanging diplomats and words. Their trade and banking agreements throughout Asia far exceeds the necessity of military action to this date, is this what S.Korea have been slowly realizing. www.straitstimes.com...

Only several hours old, the news has reported what was announced by N.Korea many times. So far what N.Korea has mentioned to who ever is listening has come true to their word.

North Korea has finished preparatory work at a new launch pad for long-range missiles on its northwest coast, a report says.

Chosun Ilbo newspaper on Tuesday quoted a government source as saying the launch structure has been installed and a hangar has been completed at the Dongchang-ri launch site.

"Large girders have recently been installed and the two or three months of preparatory work at the launch pad have been completed," the source told the daily.

"However, no radar has yet been set up and no missile has been brought to the launch pad. A launch is not imminent."

The paper said satellite photos showed the structure to be about 50 metres high, meaning it would be capable of firing an intercontinental ballistic missile measuring 40 metres or longer.

The North's three previous long-range missile launches were from Musudan-ri on the east coast, where the paper said the launch structure is 32 metres high.

news.ninemsn.com.au...

All indications are that they will go ahead with the launch and there is no turning back, unless, that is, one of three things happen prior to the launch.

1) China and or with Russia begin talks to halt what ever nuclear armed program they are exploring.

2) N.Korea is acknowledged the right to explore nuclear advancement for energy exploration.

3) A preemptive strike on all missile sights by the U.S. coalition (Aisan) to halt any further advancement of missile testing.

U.S. to Confront, Not Board, North Korean Ships

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration will order the Navy to hail and request permission to inspect North Korean ships at sea suspected of carrying arms or nuclear technology, but will not board them by force, senior administration officials said Monday.

The new effort to intercept North Korean ships, and track them to their next port, where Washington will press for the inspections they refused at sea, is part of what the officials described as “vigorous enforcement” of the United Nations Security Council resolution approved Friday.
The planned American action stops just short of the forced inspections that North Korea has said that it would regard as an act of war. Still, the administration’s plans, if fully executed, would amount to the most confrontational approach taken by the United States in dealing with North Korea in years, and carries a risk of escalating tensions at a time when North Korea has been carrying out missile and nuclear tests.

www.nytimes.com...


This seem's like a turn of events, has something being reached during the SCO meeting, is this similar as to what the U.S. had said to Israel as far as attacking Iran without making sure that its the U.S. who give the green light, but in this case it was the Russian and Chinese who have forwarded the message to the U.S.

im confused as to where china and russia officially sit in this equasion? anyone?

im confused as to where china and russia officially sit in this equasion? anyone?

Both have a vested interest in what and how N.Korea tackle this dilemma. Although they have been advised by both nations on the best possible route to diffuse and maintain national pride, it ultimately falls upon the leaders of that nation. China has moved combat units close to the borders and as i have mentioned either one or two pages prior to this, the Russian naval fleet is all mobile and gearing up for military maneuvers. This military maneuver does encompass air/sea/land combat units. I am not saying that something will go ahead, but its crystal clear that China and Russia have mobilized their combat units for what ever the outcome maybe.

Usually you will see a spike on oil prices then a downward full. This is the result as there is more stock absorption of oil in case a military conflict erupts. You can research it yourself that prior to any conflict there is a spike surge on the price of oil.