ABUSE CRISIS: Iraqi Prisoner Abuse May Have Been Encouraged. (update)

Q says: "Put a sock in it crybabies. There's a lot worse going on in the world. * * * Their biggest mistake was taking the pictures in the first place. * * * These people weren't a bunch of girl scouts they caught out selling cookies.* * * "

These are the classic rationalizations of a depraved mind. (1) What I'm doing is OK because somewhere somebody else is doing something worse; (2) Whatever I do is OK so long as I don't get caught, i.e. anything is OK so long as I don't suffer any adverse consequence for it; and (3) The subjects of my abuse aren't good people anyway and they probably deserve it.

Agreed, Usagi-chan? Or would you characterize these as the guiding priniples of an enlightened mind?

While it pains me to know what goes on within the context of war...deaths of innocents, occupation for veiled agendas, and children tasked with most of the burden, who, if any of you civilians, has actually been involved with interrogating combatants, people that would not think twice about killing you if given the opportunity. How do you think we acquire most of our on-the-ground intelligence? Through babysitting? This is a WAR!

Are we to play fair always with an enemy that does not abide by the Geneva Convention let alone has any idea what it is? While I certainly don't condone the actions taken, I understand the psychological aspects of the procedure against this particular ethinicity of enemy. Let's me say it again for the reading impaired...I do not condone what happened.

Was it the right choice...putting inexperienced people in charge of the psych aspect of breaking them down...absolutely not. But think about this...you see/hear of the images of American/British workers attacked, pulled from a car, mutilated and burned all the while many of these "non-combatants" celebrating this wickedness and horror. What do you think THAT does to a person? You wanna play babysitter to these animals that fight against us in the name of who knows? That's your choice. But don't think for a minute they would not rejoice in your death as well if given an opportunity. As far as I'm concerned...you give up your human rights when you try to kill me or celebrate the torture of innocents! PERIOD! Let's not forget that this is still war. You, as a soldier, could die at any moment..think really hard what that means and what that does to the mental state...YOU COULD DIE THIS VERY DAY. I would venture that few if any of you posting to this thread has had experience with someone trying to kill you daily. Human rights of the non-combatants are different than the rights of someone killing innocent people and rejoicing about it. Tell me...how does the veracity with which some of you scream of this "horrendous" event equate with killing or burning innocents. Maybe a little reprogramming is called for here if this is your human rights barometer. I suggest you reread an excerpt below from one of many articles, try to imagine what that was like for the victims and then get off your armchair-soapboxes.

Sinking deeper in to the quagmire, coalition forces suffered a double blow today as the bodies of four foreign contractors were pulled from their SUV's after they were killed in a shooting ambush near Faluja. Three of the dead were Americans and of the four, one was apparently a woman, according to the BBC.

The bodies were then mutilated by an excited mob; one of them set on fire and dragged down a main street of the city. At least two other bodies were tied to cars and dragged through the streets to cheers along the way. The mutilated bodies and body parts were then hung up by electrical wires under a city bridge. All the while the mob was singing and dancing, flashing the "V" sign for victory and calling out "Allahu Akhbar". [Allah is great].

"This is what will happen to every American"

[Edited on 4-5-2004 by s.o.r.r.y.]

Cultural question:

When I first saw the photos (those broadcast, printed in mass media)
The first thing that came to my mind was: "Thats a woman posing in the photos".
I haven't heard many people speak of this.
Did this come as a surprise to anyone else?
Did it bother you more, because there were women involved? It DID me.

I also haven't read, or heard many "gender specific"
descriptions of the accused, They are mostly referred to as soldiers, etc..
Are there a high percentage of women invloved?

So I wondered:
Were women included in the photos because they, themselves were "proud" of their actions?

Or, is it MORE humiliating for men of Arab cultures to be seen as being dominated by a "lowly" woman? Were they posed for effect?

Any thoughts?

Originally posted by energy_wave
Here is a link to some photo's. Not good!

www.albasrah.net...

[Edited on 2-5-2004 by Banshee]

More exposed propaganda from the site above.
I'm sensing that it has been shut-down though.....:
Porn site depicting 'GI rapes' shut down

A pornographic website that said it featured "actors" portraying U.S. GIs gang-raping Iraqi women has been shut down by its operator after WND reported two Arabic websites were presenting the photos as proof of American crimes.

Reference to this:
Bogus GI rape photos used
as Arab propaganda

Graphic photos appearing on Arabic websites of U.S. servicemen raping and sexually abusing Iraqi women were actually taken from American and Hungarian pornography sites.

Albasrah.net and a Tunisian website produced in France by Committee for the Defense of Saddam Hussein [Comit� de D�fonce de Saddam Hussein En Tunisie], posted not only the recently broadcast photos of U.S. troops abusing and humiliating Iraqi prisoners but additional ones of alleged group rape of women by American soldiers, some who are depicted holding rifles against their victims'.

seekerof

[Edited on 5-5-2004 by Seekerof]

The rape photos looked fake.
The soldiers weren't even wearing the same color uniforms as the persons stationed in Iraq.

[ouote]Graphic photos appearing on Arabic websites of U.S. servicemen raping and sexually abusing Iraqi women were actually taken from American and Hungarian pornography sites.
Albasrah.net and a Tunisian website produced in France by Committee for the Defense of Saddam Hussein [Comit� de D�fonce de Saddam Hussein En Tunisie], posted not only the recently broadcast photos of U.S. troops abusing and humiliating Iraqi prisoners...

We can debate what is fake or not and I am sure no more is fake than what is real.

The fact is that some of it is real and confirmation of that is having the US leaders on Arab TV making exuses for it, by saying we are not all like that.

The damage is done, no matter what is fake or not the Arab/muslim world will see it all as real.

This is beyond words here, the impact of this will take years to be understood, and the price yet to be paid.

We can say that it is all FAKE does it matter now?

Gazz

What is kind of saddening is those involved(taught as solders to do as told without question) will be singled out as scapgoats, while those further up the chain who encouraged it will wipe their hands of it all.

Originally posted by Seekerof
Reference to this:
Bogus GI rape photos used as Arab propaganda

Thanks to Yoda, we were 2 days ahead of good ol' World Net Daily.
Check page two of this thread.



-B.

I see, and a commendable job by him and others.
Now all we need to do is get ranked on that Top Political News Site polling.



seekerof

[Edited on 5-5-2004 by Seekerof]

Originally posted by dubiousone
These are the classic rationalizations of a depraved mind.

Why, dubiousone, you flatter me so! Your psychoanalytical skills are obviously top-notch.

Welcome to the real world.

Keep the faith, s.o.r.r.y.