conscious Oobe....It's Real!!

Originally posted by theRiverGoddess
In the Astral planes....... do entities TRY and mislead you on purpose or what do you mean?

Some will try and mislead you.. some won't. some will "play" with you a bit before telling the truth. You need to be active in questioning them. Who are you? What do you do? Prove to/show me you're truthful, etc..

I did not get a feeling of 'knowing' the people and wondered what they were all about, so I was not sad to abruptly leave them as I did.

Remember they are not people, they could just as easily show themselves as talking frogs. Do not assign them human quality's such as love, hate, honesty, whatever, they do not have them (but can act like they do).

I thought I'd show you a way to test the astral entities.

Here is a bunch of symbols



They are called Tattwas (Don't look up the meanings yet, but I will tell you they have to do with the elements)

Pick one and draw and color it on a piece of paper and meditate on it so you have a good picture of it on your mind.

Now the next time you AP ask what does this tattwas mean? They may tell you in words, or it might be in images. but when you get back look them up and see if they were correct.

If they get it wrong they are not telling the truth.. or you could be just dreaming.


Here is a better picture of one with the correct background color... if you just look at it for a while it will really stick to your brain.



This might be the best one to use for your first time testing them. Don't look at the image name.. you don't want to know the meaning before hand.

Oh I should mention if you meditate on the above image it should send you to a particular place on the astral plane.. if you don't encounter anything make note of what you see and it should relate to the meaning of that tattwa.

Originally posted by theRiverGoddess

There are things in real time I want to see.............volcanoes, stonehenge, ancient ruins in Italy and Turkey and South America, and the 4 corners area of the USA.......I would like to search for the hollow earth opening and see if its real............I want to explore the moon closely, and some other planets in our solar system............I want to seek out my grandmother who passed away a couple of months ago......the Akashic records would be cool.....these goals mean MORE to me then playing in the Astral planes..........

[edit on 22-6-2007 by theRiverGoddess]

Hi Riv,

First off I'd like to say my condolences on your grandmother's passing. My grandmother passed away about a year ago. She raised me and I'm still mourning the loss.

Secondly, What a great OBE! The horse was the best part, but then again I love horses.

When I end up being taken places I don't intend to go I never try to fight it because I know it's probably more important than what I had in mind. Even so, I wouldn't give up on trying to get to the places you want to go.

When I'm not being pulled this way or that, I've managed it through the earth. It wasn't hollow but it did have many large openings (caverns perhaps). I've also been to the Akashic Records on several occasions. At least that's were I think I was. Each time I saw information in what could best be described as holographic form and there were always two monk-like robed figures who seem to be there to guide me along. I've also seen one of the robed figures watching over me while I sleep.

I have more important long term OBE goals but like you one of the things I'd like to do is go to the moon. Who knows, maybe I'll see you there one night. Wouldn't that be funny?

BTY, I made it 10 days on the Master Cleanse. I felt great afterward! I'm going to try t do it regularly.

Mitzella

Cug.....wow it has never even crossed my mind that I SHOULD 'test' astral entities. I thought I was just wanting to observe and interact at times....

Can you explain the reasons why 'testing' them is something an OOBE traveler might want/need to persue?

When I look at your picture of Tattwas I got a gut reaction.........and I am unsure why. I think I want to print them out in the correct colors and use them in my practice somehow.....but they are new to me, and it seems a bit unusual to need some type of 'flash cards' while astral traveling.

What is the purpose of the Tattwas?
What will I gain if I use them to question an entitiy?
Is this some type of test or school via out of body? (I hated school in body why would I want to get schooled out?)
Will the Tattwas help me to make clearer traveling goals perhaps? Is there a Tattwa that will take me to the moon?
Have you ever been to the moon? I am going to u2u you my email address and I am asking you to email me the tattwas so I can print them out...................I promise to NOT try and learn the 'meaning' of any of them so I can participate in this experiment your proposing for me.... I would really like to know as much general info about them as you can tell me without blowing the experiment.

WOW Mitzella!!
10 days on the cleanse you did AWESOME!
It is very hard to do, but you now understand why its so important to do. Its AMAZING how you feel afterward, as if you have shed years....so many aches and pains just go away and your energy level is so much higher........

HEY did you find it hard to OOBE while on the cleanse?.... because I seem to....

Hi Rivergoddess,

Yeah the cleanse was great! I plan on doing it every two or three months now. I even got used to the salt water after awhile.

I was just talking about this to my friends tonight. It really gave me a different perspective on how we view food and eating in this society. How much of it is influenced by what we see and hear in the media, what we've become accustomed to in our daily routine (like sitting in front of the television and snacking) and the rituals that we've built around it. There were times I wasn't hungry but I simply missed chewing- if that makes any sense.

I got a lot of help and inspiration from your master cleanse thread on bts. I particularly liked how honest you were about struggling with it. I think your candor is one of the reasons I was able to last as long as I did. And in the end it was totally worth it! Just like you said, less aches and pains and much more vigor afterwards.

As for OBEing while on the cleanse, no I didn't, not even so much as a lucid dream (odd for me not to at least have lucid dreams.) I think most of my energy was going into the cleanse.

Well, thanks for helping me along in that regard. For anyone who hasn't tried it I totaly recommend it.

Mitzella

Hi Cug,

Long time no see

After opening this page I was thinking about the Tatvas and what do I see when scrolling down

My father uses the Tatvas and that is how he first left his body. They work quite well for him.

Originally posted by theRiverGoddess
Cug.....wow it has never even crossed my mind that I SHOULD 'test' astral entities. I thought I was just wanting to observe and interact at times....

Well think of it like this, if you went for a walk and came across a dog you would not automatically assume it was friendly would you? No you would test it and watch it's reactions. (ie babytalking it, holding your hand out for it to smell etc..)

Can you explain the reasons why 'testing' them is something an OOBE traveler might want/need to persue?

Have you ever come across someone who AP's and your first impression is they have kinda lost touch on reality? odds are they have placed too much importance on something they heard/saw/felt while APing, and that something was false.

When I look at your picture of Tattwas I got a gut reaction.........and I am unsure why. I think I want to print them out in the correct colors and use them in my practice somehow.....but they are new to me, and it seems a bit unusual to need some type of 'flash cards' while astral traveling.

The truth is I could of used anything, but the Tatwas are less occulty than what I would use.. I didn't want to freak you out.

What is the purpose of the Tattwas?

The represent the universe in Hindu philosophy. In western use they are used to aid travel on the astral plane. For example if you use the one that stands for water of earth, the place you end up on the astral plain might be very muddy.

What will I gain if I use them to question an entitiy?

In this case you will find out the honestly of the entity in question. In my case Id use something Qabalistic to test them, but a simpler system like this would be easier for you.

Is this some type of test or school via out of body? (I hated school in body why would I want to get schooled out?)

Yes it could be used like that. but if it was a real test I'd make up a symbol and give it meaning and let you figure it out astrally.

Will the Tattwas help me to make clearer traveling goals perhaps?

Yes they could

Is there a Tattwa that will take me to the moon?
Have you ever been to the moon?

Hummm you know I don't really know, I suppose it possible.. however they are more aligned to the astral planes and not the "earthly" or mundane plane. No I never went to the moon.. they are much more intersting and worthwile places to go to.

I am going to u2u you my email address and I am asking you to email me the tattwas so I can print them out.

I'm sorry I can't help you there. what you saw was all I have on the computer.

I would really like to know as much general info about them as you can tell me without blowing the experiment.

Basically each of the 5 main shapes represents an element air, water,
fire, earth, and spirit. the ones that have a shape inside a shape work out like water of earth, spirit of air, fire of water etc...

Originally posted by Enyalius

After opening this page I was thinking about the Tatvas and what do I see when scrolling down

Such is the way the universe works

[edit on 6/24/2007 by Cug]

If someone wants a basic introduction en run-down of Tatva's have a look hier

It is difficult to find a lot about it since they are rarely mentioned. When they are it is usually a very small chapter in a book. Like Geomancy hard to find info while it is so basic and simple when you figure it out.

If there is interest I could ask my dad for some more info. There is 1 great book about it with excercises etc. But don't know the title from the top of my head.

Very annoying that it seems you can no longer edit your posts :S

A good Tatva book is here Even though the publisher has released a lot of questioning works this book seems solid enough

Originally posted by Enyalius
A good Tatva book is here Even though the publisher has released a lot of questioning works this book seems solid enough

That book was so-so IMHO. however the Tattwa cards it came with are superb.

Unfortunately it's now out of print.

A word of advice to all. Don't consume any caffeine less than 8 hours before your OBE attempt. I found it not only hindered sleep but an OBE becomes definitely hard to come by at the right time. In fact, it usually doesn't happen til early in the morning. Not a good time for me because I need to get up shortly thereafter. Better luck next time. And that's tonight.

Update...

I've just been laying in bed having a series of projections going out and coming back just wondering about my room mainly. In one, I got downstairs and my grandma had bought a new dog that there thinkin about getting soon. She actually said 'hi Lee love' so straight away I thought hmm could this just be a dream or... I remembered how the dog looked and colour and will see what happens. Another one I suddenly found myself wondering about a house which seemed familiar, I floated through the front door, looked around and id been in our next door neighbours house. And the grand finarly! I projected by rolling out on this one though I've found that sitting up and sliding out tends to feel more comfortable. I was in the middle of my room and decided to check out the cord. I couldn't see anything at first but I noticed that when I actually moved my hands around me near my astral head, it suddenly became noticeable once touched, it felt like tinsel and made that rustling noise that tinsle would make and looked a sparkly blue/white in colour and about an inch thick. I rolled my hand over it to see where it lead to on my physical body. It went right up to the ceiling and was spread out a few metres then it dropped down and went to my pillow. I couldn't see my physical body asleep though but it obviously went from my physical head to my astral head. Now I've noticed this, its made me question how safe OBE's are a little and I'm not sure whether to venture any further that our street just incase, im wondering if this cord actually has a limitless length or not. Like does it just keep on extending or does it only have a certain length.

Hey Clarky that is very similar to how I felt after checking out my silver cord. My experience was similar too, as I didn't even see it until I looked for it, and then it got thicker.

I'm still reading the body of the thread as I feel like it, and it has been said that even if you lose your cord, you can still get back to your body, it's just harder. Alot say it can't be broken, and some say it can.

I'm going to bet on the side with the idea that it can be broken but you can still get back if that happens.

Whenever I think about safety, I just think about how I used to think that if I died in my dreams I would die in real life to. How funny it is to think that this was a true fear and belief I had when I was just getting into dreaming.

I would just trust your feelings and always try to play a bit on the safe side... You've made it this far.

Originally posted by Cug

Originally posted by Enyalius
A good Tatva book is here Even though the publisher has released a lot of questioning works this book seems solid enough

That book was so-so IMHO. however the Tattwa cards it came with are superb.

Unfortunately it's now out of print.

I personally wouldn't know since I'm not the one using it. Have to do with a friend and a father that do. But then again how many decent enough books are out there dedicated solely to the Tatva's?

Some additional links my father used:
www.llewellynjournal.com...
www.magicalpath.net...
www.jonnmumfordconsult.com...
www.geocities.com...

A silver cord is the connection between the physical and astral body. The cord can be "cut", however this does not occur under regular circumstances and thus can not be done by just anyone.

Situations wherein the cord will "fade" instead of being "cut" is when you're out of your body too long. You will get distanced from the body and lose connection with it. This can be achieved by going astral longer then you can mentally manage or simply get too addicted to going astral.

Another way is being comatose for some time. Comatose patients, can speak of personal experience here, you will automatically leave your body without even trying. However in my case it was a short period of time so my cord didn't vanish so the speak. In another case someone was comatose for quite some time and thus couldn't find back his body. So I aided the man back to his body, which took me about 3 weeks to find before it was even possible to guide the man.

In other cases there is little to no worry about the cord dissapearing or being cut. Hopefully this also shows people not to lose touch with the physical world and find a healthy balance between the two realities. Get your physical reality healhty so that you have no worries and concerns that might distract you. Get the foundation strong and balanced before moving to the next thing.

I still have not SEEN the silver chord yet..................
I guess I need to feel for it.

I have been focusing on the tattvas in my mind but I am not getting out much right now..........I have been doing The Master Cleanse again quite a bit...

Update...

The other night I had such an exhilarating experience but i'm still not sure if it was just a dream or something a little more..

Basically I was having lots of lucid dreams and I kept projecting within my dreams and then I experienced the following.... I found myself totally lucid and was travelling through this black tunnel really fast for about 5 seconds and then I stopped. I had around 10 'planets' fade into my vision and the background was completely black. I said 'hello??' and then I heard a voice whisper in the background 'choose one'. They all looked different and 1 resembled Earth, I looked at em all for a few seconds and then said 'this one with the blue spirals' and with that, they faded away and I was in this black tunnel again and it felt like I was travelling at an unimaginable speed but didnt feel any G force.. if that makes sense.. then I came to a stand still and was thinking to myself 'what if i'm just about to arrive on another planet with life, and all of a sudden I appear out of nowhere?? what if there just like me or what if there aliens etc... then the black faded out and everything around me suddenly came into focus and I was in a big room with a stream in the middle and there was 6 men sat down having a chat dressed in big long cloaks with lots of gold on and 2 where wearing crowns. They didn't notice me at first and then I said 'where am I?' they looked over at me and didn't seem too surprised. I explained what had just happened and they all looked at each other and started laughing. I said 'what's so funny?' they carried on laughing.. I asked where I was.. and with that I was thrown into this black tunnel and after a few seconds I woke up.

When I woke up it felt like id been gone for ages and it took me a while to adjust to my physical surroundings. I don't know if this was astral travel or what but i've not experienced anything like it before especially travelling through those 'tunnels' it was like I was going through a black hole or something.

I also had a lucid dream the other night and quizzed an old mate that i've not seen for years. I said to him 'oi mate what day did I go to your house the other week??' he carried on finding some music to play and I said 'well..??' then he turned around and shouted 'you didn't come to my house the other week!!' and it forced me to wake up. Now the strange thing is, at the time of asking him this, I thought that id been round his house for some reason but after awakening I realised that he was right.. id not been to his house at all.

I have studied reports of astral projection and things that people learn from it and i have determined that it boils down to thought. i have looked at a lot of accounts but they all have that one thing in common. if you think about it, thought is all that we truly know is real. i do not believe that the universe is limited to what we percieve it as. i also do not believe that the existance of everything is one large coincidence. Some people even say that their means of leaving their bodies were achieved by willpower. our abilites are far more powerful than most people realize. everything we do is powered by thought. anything that happens in our lives starts affects and triggers other thoughts. i believe that our minds have limitless possibilities that can be reached if we push the right buttons. astral projection is a way of pushing those boundries that we have mentally placed. who knows what we could accomplish with the right ammount of willpower.

also ime back..."again"

[edit on 7/9/2007 by psimorb333]

Hello, I have posted this on a topic before, but I am still having no luck.

I am very proficient at starting an OBOE. But, I can never keep it because my head is doing this ADD thing and I can't concentrate on the projection for more than about 45 seconds.

Would you have any tips about being more concentrated with projections?

Hey, I've been studying OOBEs, lucid dreams, etc. for a few years now and have had no luck with getting out of my body. I've recently been meditating every chance I get and I don't think I can even put myself in the right trance state to pull myself out of my body...

I think it would be easiest (for me) to have someone help me out of my body. Is there a special way to ask for help from someone on the astral plane? I have tried asking before, but with no success. Perhaps I am not in a deep enough trance state? Whenever I meditate I can get relaxed and when I'm relaxed I attempt the rope technique, but it NEVER works. I also have a problem when I try to do the rope technique, whenever I reach for the rope to try and pull myself out of my body, I start to picture the rope, but it always has something on it which is blocking my way (if that makes sense) for example, I'll be climbing and I'll see a concrete block or something on the rope and it makes it harder for me to "climb". I will often become frustrated because I can't seem to get out, which obviously does not help. Is there anyone here who could possibly help me out of my body? Or could someone tell me how to go about asking for help from someone on the astral plane? Thanks.

[edit on 15-7-2007 by Xapper]