conscious Oobe....It's Real!!

I really really really want to experience an OOBE..........

Thanks, i'll look into those over the weekend

A thought that ive had which someone posted... ive never really thought of this but im wondering whether or not when you dream, your consciousness slips out of your body and floats just above you whilst your subconsciousness plays out your dreams and when you become lucid its basically your consciousness blending in with your subconsciousness.. this also might explain why its easier to achieve an OBE whilst in the lucid state. It could also explain why its easier to gain more control of the OBE when you venture further from your body as your consciousnessness isnt so close to your subconciousness.. Theres been times when ive felt myself floating like a feather above my body but at the same time ive been aware that im dreaming.

Edit: oops this was meant to go on my other thread but I think its still appropriate here too.

[edit on 13/7/06 by Clarky]

Originally posted by sleepydesire
I really really really want to experience an OOBE..........

so do I ..so do I.

Ive been trying for quite some time..probably not as long as river goddess had, but im very frustrated..i just wish someone would contact me or help me like they did her.

I went to this new book shop thats opened up near where I live and theyve got a huge section on 'mind and spirit' most of them are books written by psykiks which doesnt interest me too much but there where a few that took my fancy.. in the end it was a toss up between 'life after life' and 'astral travel for beginners by richard webster'.. I chose the second and it looks really interesting i'll let you know of anything that I find new to me and of interest.

last night I went into it with a clear strong mind knowing I can keep control of the experience....WEll I didnt quite keep control....But the actual experience lasted thru my realizing the physical. I thought of the physical, but didnt get wisked away back into it. I was able to stay in the astral...and everytime I came out, I went back in, at least 4 times but I think more....
I sunk into the ground after I tore myself away from my physical body...I couldnt seem to "fly"or see, I was totally blind (like most times)...I sunk and sunk, head first,,,with a very heavy head into the ground, and then I just stopped fighting it. I had painful vibrations like a very bad tickle in my head, but I sunk 'till I began "to see"

And I saw vibrant colors swirling and pools of it I swam in ....LIke when you trip out really hard, colors everywehere big bubbles of paint, it was fun
Kris

If anyone is intrested, and i strongly urge anyone intrested in the oobe expierience to read all three of robert monroes books regarding OOBE. Start with journeys out of the body, it truley gives an understandible synopsis of life which all stems from his findings through OOBe's.

this thread lead me to buy those books online, very worthwhile

I'm not a fan of Monroe. With his various mind states and layers of the astral he makes it more complex then is needed :S

try reading his secont book, that was what i seemed to think after reading the first. I had already bought the secont so i read it anyway, it made a world of difeence it was like focusing a lens on Information i had already defined. and expanded on any open questions that i was left with after the first book.

[edit on 19-7-2006 by WOLFEEFLOW]

I got all 3 of his books and more from other authors. And I personally still dislike Monroe.

In what sence, to me it seemed like he was doing me a favor in describing the astral. Or more so defining it. What books etc do you find to be more enligthtening or more educational etc, that u seem to prefer.

Well it is not so much of which books are more informative or not. It is just that Monroe seems to enjoy labeling things. You need awareness state 10 to do x and doing so created a large amount of "layers".

Through personal experience I do not like this nor how he makes it sound the way he does. I personally would say that one needs a certain state of mind to be able to have enough will(power) to achieve what he desires to achieve.

It is similar to how people make the astral look like it has some hierarchical structure while it has none. If you want to go from "layer 1" to "layer 10" then just do it. And don't get me started about the Bineural Beats and Gateway experience. It sounds nice in theory, but I don't know one individual who it has worked on...me included. However it did make me fall asleep a lot easier then normal, probably due to the calming background sounds.

I was browsing somewhere and came across this. A nice twist to this thread which is worth while to look into. What effect does the location have on your experiences? Often shamans and other wise men left their villages to travel relative long distance before they attempted spirit communication or astral projecting. Was this due to energetical differences of the area or deu to the effects on the state of mind needed to aquire it all?

I leave that open for a discussion with the following quote as to where I gotten the idea from and to give more insight of what I mean.

I have a geologist buddy who studies geomagnetism. And geomagnetism is geology jargon for the force underlying what many occultists call ley lines.

Now, according to this geologist, and a lot of other people around the area, the town where I've been attempting to astral project is, sadly enough, built along what you might consider a "negative ley line." Which is to say, and I'll put it bluntly, that my town is a vampire that sucks you dry every chance it gets to the point perfectly good people get dragged in by its depressing vortex and never manage to leave, so they become alcoholics, abandon their passions, and cater to rich frat kids at the bars downtown day in and day out.

So here's my question,

I've been practicing astral projection for the past year and a half and about every four months I succeed. Why is it that when I traveled 12.5 hours southwest for a week I managed to astral project three times with little to no effort at all? Could it be that this other town is built along a different kind of ley line, that the geomagnetism putting pressure on the town aided in my attempts to astral project?

Hi everyone- I'm new here- been reading the postings throughout this entire site for a while, as "the unexplained" has always been of deep interest to me, ever since I was a kid. Anyway, this thread particularly grabbed me, especially after reading RiverGoddesses posts.

Many years ago I was interested in Ch'i Gung and was studying it for some time. The practice included deep meditation exercises and relaxation, which I was becoming very good at. Many of the OOBE descriptions and feelings told by people in this thread are very similar, and sound familiar to me. It has been many years since I touched on this subject, but my interest has been rekindled after reading the posts here.

I've always felt spiritual and felt I've had an extra open-ness to my mind than normal. For instance, I have had a great number of Deja-Vu's throughout my life, and have even had some premonition dreams, the most recent one intrigued me greatly: About two or three months ago I had this vivid dream that this helicopter was going down. I was driving and saw all of the traffic pulling over and stopping (on a bridge), so I did the same, and got out of my car and ran to the edge of the bridge to watch, as this helicopter plummeted into the water below. There were two people in the helicopter, and it turned out both survived (they were able to climb up onto the bridge). Anyway, on my way to work that morning, I see this helicopter flying low over the highway on the horizon. This I thought coincidence, but it startled me nonetheless. I mentioned to my wife that morning about my dream... Later that morning at work, she sent me a link to a news story that a helicopter crash landed not too far from where I work, and the two survivors were not injured! .... I felt amazed and at the same time freaked out a bit. Although, the copter didn't crash into water, it still had crashed and there were two people...thought this to be very strange.

Back to the subject- so with my rekindled interest, I decided to try last night, after much reading on the topic. I know night usually isn't the best, but I had a go anyway. The noise of my air conditioner wasn't helping any, and I felt it hard to relax. I did establish some decent relaxation after some time, but not enough to do it so I gave up. I woke early this morning to have another try, figuring after a good nights rest I may have better success. I was right. I felt it much easier to relax, especially after turning of my AC, and getting my rhythm going. I was almost totally relaxed, and felt a shortness of breath so I stopped. I had a second go and this time got my relaxation even deeper, I could almost feel as if I could get up out of myself, but, again, I couldn't get far enough to a relaxed point where I could. I almost felt a stuck feeling, like my limbs could almost move out, but the rest of me couldn't (especially my torso and head). I will have to work on my relaxation techniques a bit more, I guess? Seems like something as simple as a swallow in my throat while laying there will disrupt my flow, and I'll need to start again... I know I can do it, I believe I can do it, and I remain confident. I will read more on other peoples suggestions and welcome anyone elses advice.

It would seem to me that we never actually leave our bodies… If we actually did, I would think we wouldn’t remember it. Think about it, when you’re in a really deep dream state, and wake up, you know you had a dream but can’t hardly recall any of it… why? It’s because your mind is operating in a different state and on a different frequency. The same way that, when awake, you think totally differently with your subconscious than you do with your conscious. Thinking in this matter has me even second-guessing my NDE. I remember not breathing, not having a physical body, and a silent voice (or entity) telling me that everything is alright, this is passing (physical death). I remember the most joyous feeling of personifying completion and perfection and raising and knowing and understanding all. And time stopped existing… I remember thinking of my loved ones and it pulled me down and I started falling and that falling ripped me from that warmth and perfection (it felt like hell having to come back to life – if that’s what was actually happening) it was truly the single most amazing experience I can recall, but that’s just that, I can remember it clearly…The ONLY thing that has me still believing it was actual was the fact that I “woke up” with the deepest breath I ever took after I removed my head from the pillow that accidentally smothered me in my sleep. I knew that I began to understand everything and I had the capacity to do so, but the exact details that I retained were lost minutes after I became conscious. (Funny because if I heard someone else say that last sentence, I would become very skeptical). At any rate, I’m on the fence with the whole thing…I used to want to experience it so bad, for years and years… and after I did experience that, I’ve been depressed from the separation of it ever since, not to mention the endless search for answers for it. So be careful of what you ask for. I watched a special on TV about a guy who went to hell from an OB/NDE. With that said, I should add that with my “NDE”, at the time I was not in the church, as a matter of fact, I never was very much, but I did always have a special relationship with the Creator… one that I’m trying to reconcile but that’s another story.
I’ll just end with this: be very cautious when exploring these new and infinite territories…and make peace with yourself.

I will experience it.

If you can't reach that mind-awake/body-asleep state on demand, you might see if you can borrow a BT5 or BT5-pro. About a week of that in the evenings, and you'll start having trouble getting both mind and body asleep at the same time. Quite disconcerting if you aren't expecting it.

this past 2 months, the QUALITY of my dreamwork has changed alot..........plus I am sleeping more.
It really seems like I am sleeping MORE to be able to get all the things done in dreamwork that I need to do............so I wonder about WHAT exactly I am actually doing.....

SOMEHOW, I know this relates to the OOBE work.
This is why I mention this here as in keeping with this being my OOBE work 'diary' per say....
If anybody has anything to add.....or educate me more on how this relates to my OOBE work please speak up or u2u me............

Originally posted by Intellispirit
I’ll just end with this: be very cautious when exploring these new and infinite territories…and make peace with yourself.

It is indeed very important to make peace with oneself. But most people are uncapable of doing so. Even if they desire to do so most will fail due to the confrontations they will experience with themselves.

Also as advice. Try to use parapgraphs to make your texts feel less like a chore to read.

With all the posts on books lately I think I might buy one, but I'm a little short on funds right now so I can only really afford one.

Is there any consensus on what the best overall book for this topic might be?

Cheers!

I had a new book in my hands last weekend. It was Astral Dynamics by Robert Monroe. In general all books say the same, but the new ones contain it a bit more worked out. Also Robert Bruce and Mercer "learning to astral project in 90 days" is a good book as well.