conscious Oobe....It's Real!!

a reply to: blondi1026

a reply to: [p I truly believe that as a child .. between 2 maybe 3 to around 10 to 11 .. I regularly had these experiences.. I have vivid memories of floating up out of my body.. rolling over and seeing myself asleep. I usually followed the staircase downstairs and watched my parents talking, watching TV late at night. I remember once thinking ..why am I following the stairs and then drifted myself over the banister to spy on the grown ups.. It happened once as an adult.. I had a friend living in Rochester NY that I wanted to visit.. I remember vividly the sight of the city from above.. lake Ontario on a clear night but I couldn't find my way to my friends house. I felt sad and frustrated and must have returned home .. It's never happened since.. ost=20572827]ozzyhoss[/post]

a reply to: blondi1026 & KBisme

hey, It was said a few times probably in here. But if you want to be able to do that you must work on your mind.

But without pure intentions or mind state this is probably a bit harder to achieve, or at least there will be more confusion and blocks along the way than otherwise in my opinion.

So first, get your mind straight and pure like we all had it when we were kids for instance.
Contemplate, meditate and work on your mind and after a while and with some practice in meditation this should happen naturally.

Learn to relax fully without falling asleep. It is a simple trick once you figure it out.
It is like a feeling for me...it comes naturally if I wake up too early and than I try to go back to sleep without dozing off. It is very noticeable once you know what it is and it get easier with practice.

But I am still a beginner and all this is just another opinion about how it is for me. But there are a lot of different methods and techniques one can try. please read the thread and try them until you find something that works for you.

good luck.

I need your help I am scared ever since my grandmother died I have been getting followed my a demon (I know it's a demon because of its voice he spoke to me tonight) it started off as just seeing it's dark shadowy body. Then it held me down once. Then tonight it held me down and kept yelling GO BACK TO WORK! I read some of your stuff to not feed it fear but I keep doing it I am even scared right now my soon to be wife said it was like I was having a seizure but that was me trying to get away from it. I am not joking like other people plz help me

a reply to: Willsharpkiller rewritten because I was so scared I just needed someone or some answers.
I need your help I am scared ever since my grandmother died. I have been getting followed my a demon (I know it's a demon because of its voice he spoke to me tonight). I started off as just seeing it's dark shadowy body. Then it held me down once. Then tonight it held me down and kept yelling GO BACK TO WORK! I read some of the stuff to not feed it fear but I keep doing it I am even scared right now my soon to be wife said it was like I was having a seizure but that was me trying to get away from it. I am not joking like other people. Plz help me! He came tonight I woke up at 2 pm nothing happened I was feeling good I thought it was time for work because I never wake up this early so I asked my half sleeping soon to be wife to get my phone once I saw it was 2 I was like oh let me go back to sleep well I went to sleep at 2:10 or 2:20 that's when it hit me something was holding me now I couldn't move then it started to speak

a reply to: Willsharpkiller

hey, I am sorry to read that and my condolences for your loss, I hope you will get through and be without fear as soon as possible.

There is little I or any other member here can do to help over ATS, and I am very sorry for that. We can give you advice on what to do or what not to do, but writing something and than actually being in such situation is another matter. Just like you have noticed already how it is with fear, even though you know not to be afraid yet you still are. And let me tell you, I think that is normal!

Ok so I will first tell my opinion about fear and how to deal with it.

Fear is OK, it is just another emotion, so it is important to acknowledge it and try to work with it and not let it work against you, in my opinion.
how do we respond to fear is what is important.
Do we fuel it or do we burn it?
Don't let the fear control you and don't let the fear put weak thoughts into your own mind or at least don't believe them. We can choose which thoughts have power over us. For instance, we do that everyday, when we are together with loved ones and when we listen to them and act on their thoughts...
You must realize that no matter what demons come before you, you are the owner of your mind and do not let fears or any demon take that away.

Stay strong all the time, nothing can take control away from you if you don't give it that power! Accept your fears and move on from being just afraid to doing something different, try to learn from it and figure it out step by step. Doing so, fear will lose its grip over you and clear mind will produce clear thoughts...


The second part of this post is concerned about how I would deal with your situation:

Why is this happening to you now, are there some other changes, other than death of your grandmother?
What is your emotional and mind state when entity shows itself and just before the event and after it, and also in general, during the day and night - what kind of dreams are you having?
is it happening at random or is time or location not so random?

Just a few rhetorical questions I would probably ask myself and contemplated deeply in your situation. Try to understand yourself and your current situation as best as you can.

There are at least three options that makes sense to me:
- it is a real entity which has come into your awareness. In such case this entity probably won't go away until you resolve your emotional or mental issues. Entity may not even be bad! We like to project, especially when we are fearful, maybe you are doing that? I mean I don't see anything wrong with yelling "go back to work!". Contemplate what is the point, what does it want you to realize? It may want you to learn something or change something about yourself. It may even want to help you? Have you considered that?
But if it is a "bad" entity aka. demon who want just to use you and if I were in your skin, I would contemplate hard in meditation, why do I attract such a being into my awareness? What kind of thought or emotions are causing this attraction?

- this is your subconscious mind trying to tell you something very important. Something which you are holding back, bottling down, etc...something obvious yet, you are unaware of it for some time now and due to that, your subconscious mind started playing tricks on you due to the imbalance within you.

- I am sorry to say this, but it could be a starting sign of some mental illness, if you are not, than you should first make sure that you have healthy body and brain. Maybe you should go to the doctor and check it out, but never mention demons to the any kind of doctor, if you don't want to be treated as a mental nut case : )

But let me be clear about something.
I don't have ANY personal experiences with such events but from what I read and understand, these events are attracted by our emotions and intent or due to imbalance within in almost all cases. So the source of your suffering is in your mind.

You need to contemplate deeply about the real nature of this events. And during the happening I would try to JUST observe it and it is OK to feel fear, but don't show it or think about it. Instead observe in silence in a mindful matter. Observer everything, your thoughts, emotions, demon, etc...
After observations I would meditate and listen to my intuition when my mind is relaxed and in meditative state and I learn about it step by step by introspection and observation.

Also if you are sure or you will be sure in the future, that it is indeed an entity doing this, than during the happening I would test how it reacts if I focus on love and happiness within (think of friends and family or anything you love the most in your life!)? or I would maybe even try send positive emotions to it and see how it reacts. Or maybe I would even just laugh loud and see how it would react than : ) ... I read about how some entities who wants to scare you, that laughter puts them away...
Or I would maybe try communicate with it, but not out of fear and only when I am confident that I can stay strong no matter what I hear or see from it. I would ask it what do you want, tell me or leave me alone you are not welcome!
or if you are religious, than take refuge with your god and his messengers and ask for their help.

there are many things you can do!
Just stay strong and figure it out. I wish you the best of luck.

But please if you want to discuss this further send me a private message or do that in some other thread which is related to your issue, this thread is about "obe" and it would be nice that is stays that way - it did for 150 pages : )

Question - is it possible to oobe with music playing? Or does that hinder the clarity of mind?

a reply to: WhitePillar

Music is not the trouble if it is soft and slow paced. The more you can relax your body and quiet your mind, the better results
you can achieve.

I would not recommend to hear Music with speech/singing other than guided speech.
(no music which would normaly play on the radio or tv) - you can do this, if you can relax completely. After all, if you can asleep while hearing such music, then it doesnt matter.
but keep in mind that there may be some side effects, after successfull or partial obe, after/while hearing inapropriate songs.

a reply to: Hombre

Thanks. Yeah the music I had in mind is for meditation/sleep. I'm wondering, has anyone experienced being ridiculed by an entity in astral projection/ oobe? I ask because my Dad (having grown up in the 60s) told me a story of how he did '___' one time. He told his friend beside him that if he were to put his fingers to his forehead and say bang, he would die. So his friend did that, and the moment he said bang, he left his body and saw his own body. Then a man with a white beard was there and said "what are you doing here you stupid kid, you shouldn't be here." Lol. I know this is a huge thread and I haven't gotten through it all yet, can anyone relate?

When I was in college I had an experience in which, at the fulcrum of wake and sleep, I blinked and was floating at the foot of my bed, watching myself. My body rolled to its side and began to choke and cough and my consciousness was full of a loud pounding, like hearing your own heartbeat when your ears are covered. I was so startled that I blinked again and was back in bed, laying on my side, gasping for air.
Does this sound like an OOBE to anyone?

a reply to: SevensTravels

it surely was, and next time, stop watching your body (if you are not up to heal it).
Think of some places which you would want to visit and you will be there.

Because thinking about your body would make you return to it : it is your ticket to come back into the body-awareness (usualy this happens immediately).

I'm astounded that someone here was able to forcefully give her an astral projection. Hats off whoever you are.

PS if you're still around and so inclined I'd like to ask you some questions

a reply to: WhateverYouSay

Asking for it cannot be described as forcefully.

a reply to: Hombre

Ugh you know what I mean don't be such a pedant.

ETA yes it can. It's the difference between force as will and force as technique. If I was drowning and screamed help you could force me to the surface. Really I don't understand why people like to nitpick inconsequential points.

Sigh, does this forum have an auto session Logout ? or maybe i shouldnt write what i wrote ?
nvm.

to answer your question, im not native english talker, my understanding of the english language is pretty high, but i dont have every link for every occasion, like force as will or force as technique.

So im answering to the first thing i have understood

And im trying to use words which are not inducing fear.Because OBE/Astral projection can be wonderfull experience.
Sometime fear may stand in the way, but this should not be the reason to stop trying.

And for asking, you can ask others, but i think, you should better ask your Guardian Angels to help you achieve it. It doesnt matter if you ask in Forum or Mentaly, they will help you, when you are ready for it.

a reply to: Hombre

If you're talking to me, fair enough. Wouldn't be the first case of lost in translation.

I should mention that I astral project somewhat frequently. My questions with this person were going to be about the etheric and astral realms themselves. I was hoping they might be able to help me interpret some experiences. Even though I have astral projected, it's clear to me that by doing this they're more skilled than me, so perhaps they also had the answers I'm looking for.

Hi,

I read the first couple of pages and skimmed through the last 5 pages or so. My experiences are slightly different. I don't feel any vibrations. It's pretty smooth. And I am not separate from my body completely, as in I can still hear and feel everything that is going on around my physical self, but at the same time I'm also not in my body and free to travel where ever I please.

I have a question to you conscious projectionist. Are you able to see your projected limbs? Are they well defined or ethereal looking?

a reply to: 5plus5and7withX

I have on occasion - The most profound experience was where I projected into the same room and spent some time getting used to "moving". I saw one of my limbs, and it was really beautiful: My arm appeared to be an outline somewhat in the shape of an arm, but appeared to be composed of glitter in various shades of purple, grey, silver, and medium to dark blue. The closest color scheme you could get is "ethereal" or "mystic" colored glitter.

Most of the other times I've consciously projected, I don't seem to have any shape - I just appear to be one tiny point of conscious.

-foss

When people have their out of body experiences, do you feel conscious or is it more like a dream? I've had some weird experiences including a year or two ago dreaming I was at work and accidentally started a fire. What was really weird was going to work that morning and hearing that they were trying to figure out how a fire started. It was in the same area I dreamed I started one. I started it by accident in my dream but the whole series of coincidences made me stop asking questions about it.

In another dream I dreamed I traveled out of my body and went exploring inside someone's house. A woman in the house spotted me in my dream. I dreamed I was like a ghost. She screamed a horrible blood curdling scream when she saw me. It was like she saw a ghost for the first time. I immediately woke up in bed after that. Can an out of body experience seem like a dream?

Has anyone done out of body experiences on alien planets? The only reason I ask that is because I dreamed I woke up one time but I was on a planet with red sunlight I believe. Instead of ignoring the strange reality and trying to wake up for real, I explored for about 30 minutes or so until I got noticed. The plant and animal life I saw was like nothing I ever dreamed of before.

a reply to: orionthehunter

Most of my experiences tend to vary in consciousness levels - I've had experiences where I'm extremely aware of what's going on, and the environment around me is no different than waking consciousness. I've also had projections where I had to fight to maintain consciousness on them.

It's said in some circles that you astral project every night, except that you don't realize that you are projecting - So, I'd also have to say that sometimes the projections do feel like dreams (you might be referring to lucid dreams, perhaps?).

Finally, while I have not projected to any alien planets - I have had "guided" lucid dreams to places other than Earth. No projections as of yet.

And on the side - Your second experience with the lady might have still been a projection. Again, depending on which circles you choose (I happen to follow the Robert Monroe/William Buhlman writings), when you project you can sometimes end up in a "level" (or "plane") that is fairly close to our waking reality. So, when you were exploring, it's possible that a couple things were going on:

1. She saw you in real life (you'd probably look like a ghost).

2. Her unconscious astral self saw you (and you saw her projection only, not the physical person). In this case, she was having an unconscious projection (aka: Dream), and she probably only remembered the experience as a dream upon waking.

3. You actually projected to another "plane" ("dimension") where you were more visible to the people that live there.

-foss