Air France Plane down

why dont we fit planes with gps, we would know for sure then wouldn't we. its all a bit fishy maybe the first people to be saved by are friends from above, but lets face it we wont find out the truth. if it came down fast there would be debris floating around, if it came down under control surely atleast the person by the door would of got out.

bottom line expect to see more of this happening soon and often.

peace to all

How is it possible that a plane can disappear nowadays with satellites radar. Im sure a submarine would have picked up any large explosions in the sea.
A plane that size just does not disappear think about all the people that would have phones on them no one phoned home strange sounds like Bermuda triangle stuf.

Hope there found soon

reply to post by iwannaseethisshipgodown


They HAVE GPS!!

But, it is used by the pilots to navigate....it usually doesn't transmit a location. However, in future, I see this as becoming a distinct possiblity.

Still...this is a tragic accident, unlikely any survivors will be found. AND, technology, is a tool....not a panacea or magic. EVEN if the GPS could be tracked --- once in the ocean, the tech won't function. Flight Recorders, actually....don't float. They DO have a signal, to transmit...when they detect a high G force...but, it lasts for only about 24 hours. Batteries die, eventually.....

Originally posted by ufosbri
think about all the people that would have phones on them no one phoned home strange sounds like Bermuda triangle stuf.

That is actually a very good point.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by iwannaseethisshipgodown

 

They HAVE GPS!!

But, it is used by the pilots to navigate....it usually doesn't transmit a location. However, in future, I see this as becoming a distinct possiblity.

Still...this is a tragic accident, unlikely any survivors will be found. AND, technology, is a tool....not a panacea or magic. EVEN if the GPS could be tracked --- once in the ocean, the tech won't function. Flight Recorders, actually....don't float. They DO have a signal, to transmit...when they detect a high G force...but, it lasts for only about 24 hours. Batteries die, eventually.....

30 days it says in the article below, its interesting read.

Case of Missing Jetliner Shows Technology's Limits

If an airplane went down in the mid-Atlantic, it could be very difficult to find any physical wreckage," said John Hansman, a professor of aeronautics and astronautics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. "The mid-oceans are one of the remotest parts of the world. It's like going to the North Pole. It's in an area of where there is very limited ability to communicate."

That could prove a major headache for safety investigators who place a high priority on finding the plane's black box data and voice recorders. Typically, the black boxes have tracking beacons that activate when the boxes get wet. The radio signal works for about 30 days. Search teams will have to be within 4,000 to 5,000 feet of the black box location to pick up the signals.

Article source, Washington Post

reply to post by reugen


OK...thanks....thought it was about 24 hours. Technology marches on.....again, I learn.

Thanks.

Here is another weird report stating the plane sent distress signals, all according to Air France. That was new, couldnt they have told us so like 20+ hours ago then ??

June 1 (Bloomberg) -- The missing Air France Airbus flying from Rio de Janeiro to Paris with 228 people aboard flashed 10 distress signals and then probably crashed into the Atlantic Ocean, the company said.

The flight sent 10 distress messages shortly before it disappeared, signaling an “unexpected and exceptional incident aboard,” Gourgeon said, without giving more details.

Article source, Bloomberg

[edit on 2009/6/1 by reugen]

There were reports in the Guardian of text messages being sent to loved ones.
Surely impossible

I believe this plane hit a portal and went into a different dimension.
Simliar to the one by the bermuda triangle.

The wife of a man on the plane who just called in to sky news said that shes been ringing his phone and it's still ringing! How can that be. (Unless he left it somewhere obviously)

[edit on 1-6-2009 by The Blind Watchmaker]

reply to post by reugen


Smacks of fiction.

another tragic day in aviation history. God have mercy
on them all. to their families ,,,,, i can't even begin.

i feel horrible for them .

Yeah it must be so terrible for all those waiting to hear of any news of their loved ones.

The woman who phoned in on sky news started to break down and pretty much said theres no point in living if the worst has happened to her husband.

Shocking. I just hope theres some resolve soon to end the suffering.

121.5 huh

ON GUARD!

anyway - the ping from the *they can float but not when wreckage is on them* `black boxes` (FDR and CVR) can be heard from many many miles away under thousands of feet of water - its how the russians found KAL007 after the shootdown.


the problem though is , its a tiny airplane in a huge ocean - if a full on carrier battle group , 30 miles in diamter can get lost from sate coverage then a tiny 200 foot plane can easily.

[edit on 1/6/09 by Harlequin]

Originally posted by kotisan
reply to post by reugen

 

Smacks of fiction.

yeah, you mean air france i guess, contradictory information is not that smart or keeping a lid on. Inform the families and related immediately, use all available verified information at once. To me they are acting as #nuts and i will never travel with Air France - KLM ever.

[edit on 2009/6/1 by reugen]

Originally posted by dreamsrfree
They only have 6 weeks left to travel and were going to Rio de Janiero, Spain, Portugal, Morooco, Switzerland and England so it's a good possiblity they may have gone to Rio for 5 days first considering all the places they have yet to see.

I understand your worries, but have you thought about looking at a map before speculating? France, Spain (Europe) and Morocco (Northern Africa) lay all 3 underneath each other, Rio, Brazil lies in South America. So in which order would you travel?

[edit on 1-6-2009 by Haunebu]

as i said pages back , in my opinion , this is an in-flight break up , for the automatic data transmission to stop abbruptly after sending `electrical and pressure loss` , would be the result of a catastropic event - as it reported FL350 @ 453 knts and the final transmission was at 02.14z (universal time clock)

[edit on 1/6/09 by Harlequin]

reply to post by Harlequin


Here is another article saying there were no distress signals, contradicting the Bloomberg report above.

Mystery surrounding Air France flight

The disappearance of Air France 447 is shrouded in an air of mystery that sets it apart from other aircraft disasters.
There was no distress signal.

Article source, BBC News

Originally posted by The Blind Watchmaker
The wife of a man on the plane who just called in to sky news said that shes been ringing his phone and it's still ringing! How can that be. (Unless he left it somewhere obviously)

[edit on 1-6-2009 by The Blind Watchmaker]

I think if his phone is ringing (assuming she's truthful), the authorities can track it.

reply to post by reugen


aviation-safety.net...

thats where im taking it from , not a news site , more professional (IMO)