China debates its bond with North Korea

Seoul would be a smoking ruin before the rest of the world knew about it.

The only way I can see them taking control of North Korea is for a three direction strike, that of course would need China and Russia to come and play, and I doubt that will happen.

OK when you two stop staring each other do you have any links to support this position?

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to rally support for UN sanctions that would go beyond the hand-wringing expressions of concern in the past.

OOOOOH no they didn't!

We are talking "serious" sanctions this time. No more messing around. Give me a break. How many people out there are still going to believe this crap?

Let's just be honest....

UNLESS NORTH KOREA ACTUALLY ATTACKS SOMEONE, NOBODY IS GOING TO DO ANYTHING

The rest of this is just noise to help people sleep at night. Nobody is going to do anything substantial until Kim actually pulls the trigger.

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I hear ya lets just hope it's not the nuclear trigger.
By then it would be too late.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
OK when you two stop staring each other do you have any links to support this position?

Who's staring Who?

No links yet, just going on my training in Intel. will make a few calls tomorrow though and see whats happening in the intel world, maybe able to something up.

I do remember reading a document on NK years ago, it was based around NK going rogue (or more rogue then normal) and what it would take to bring the mess under control.

I don't think it was a classified doc, I think it was done by a private think tank in the US. Will ask about it and see if I can locate it. Very interesting read.

Slayer - Japan is no longer bound by the treaties.

This means Japan will get their First Strike abilities.

How will this change china’s views?

Originally posted by LenGXV6
I do remember reading a document on NK years ago, it was based around NK going rogue (or more rogue then normal) and what it would take to bring the mess under control.

How much more rogue can they be?

I mean the guy is popping off nukes and firing rockets left and right. I'm sorry I spat my scotch out all over the keyboard when I read that.

damn, you wasted good scotch - at least I hope it was good

I was looking for a better way to put that, and that way just seemed the best!

No disrespect but how do we know china has had enough. You read it in an american newspaper, and wham thats the truth, lol.

The world is a strange place, and i doubt we are getting anywhere near the truth, so who knows, lol.

I'm wondering what little Kimmy is thinking right about now?
He is probably missing his good old uncle Mao right about now.

Ladies and Gents....China is doing the SAME thing we do all the time.


We will "condem" something....Or think about changing a certain policy...blah blah blah....and end up doing the exact opposite.


No worries, CHina and NK will be friends for a long time!

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Well they are not being very friendly neighbors that's for sure.
I wonder how this will play out?

What awaits NK is probably the same that came to Pakistan. It will be torn apart. The invasion will most likely come from Chinese territory.

The Balkan scenario should work in Korea as it works everywhere.

The only problem is the world's powers are now concentrated in mid Asia and can they divide their forces to deal with NK right now, or delay it a little.

I sincerely doubt that Chinese have any kind of sympathy for lil Kim or Koreans who live in NK. Certainly no more than they have for Tibetans.

I'll bet my right testicle that right now the US, Russia and Japan are in recon mode, flying over and assessing the weaponry that's in place to attack the south.

The only thing stopping countries from declaring war on the North is their potential damage to neighbours. And once that threat is assessed and a plan made to match it, they can kiss their ass goodbye.

The US, Japan and Russia now have no choice but to take this threat seriously. Even if it is intended to simply be posturing to the outside, they have crossed a very serious line and moved into a direct threat of attack.

At the VERY LEAST we now need to all be looking at removing any threat and containing the country.

People keep going on about how America is busy on two fronts, but that doesn't mean everything is there. They would be stupid to assign all their abilities in case something else did happen. And it is.
There's also Russia and Japan (and possibly China?), they are some considerable military powers right there.
I don't think America will lead this one.

As has been predicted, the global leadership of America has been slipping toward China and Russia. This could be the very first event clearly showing who the new global boss is.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
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As some people know here I have been in some pretty heated debates over this very issue. Now it has come to pass.

As I've posted in another thread.

I'm sorry I posted a link this morning in a related thread now I forget which anyway it was basically describing how Beijing was pretty much fed up with little Kimmy at that although they were allies he was "Unstable" and he was threatening all of the hard work China has accomplished. Sorry cant find the link my bad.


Little Kimmys temper tantrums are a direct threat to the global financial recovery!

It has not come to pass ....yet...... it is being Debated...but soon is my guess.

And yes i will vouch for you on this one, you have been saying this all along, many times i read a reply from you and thought .. this guys got a point .. the schoolyard bullies might be about to chuck out the lil kid who is punching above his weight atm.

S+F

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What I find pretty funny is that people will come to little Kimmy's defense and try to tie this to the US issues in the gulf. They either do not know the history or dont even care to learn the real history of the issue behind the N Korea problem.

Originally posted by spearhead
Be interesting to know what the people of NK would have to say about the idea of its leadership threatening the neigborhood.

i can't imagine they'd be as provacative as their leadership.

Don't be too quick on that outlook. I remember seeing a show several months ago that followed an eye surgeon that had come to NK to travel around the country performing free surgeries such as treatments for glaucoma (?). After regaining their sight the first thing the patients did was bow before the picture of Kim thanking their glorious leader for giving them back their vision. Forget the doctor, Kim was responsible.

The population of NK has been isolated for so long that even the elderly had forgotten what life was like before Kim took over. Remember, Kim's father started this whole mess, all junior is doing is carrying on in daddy's footsteps. Even if Kim was removed tomorrow, it would take years, if not generations, to restore the people of NK from the brainwashing they have received their entire lives.

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Yeah I remember watching the docu. It gave me the creeps. I liked how all the Cities were perfect. Also perfectly empty but for a select few. It reminded of some weird sci-fi movie.

An update for you all...

Recent press and Chinese officialls have announced that all Chinese fishing vessels along the DPRK/ROK territorial border areas have been ordered to leave those waters immediately.

Does China have indications of something?

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Oh man it's always the little signs like this that people tend to ignore Great find have any links to that story?