China debates its bond with North Korea

China debates its bond with North Korea

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Reporting from Beijing -- When is it time to dump an old friend who insists on behaving badly? The debate is raging in China. North Korea's latest nuclear test raises the question of just how long the bonds forged between old communist allies will endure.

The test was conducted barely 50 miles from the Chinese border. The ground rumbled in northeast China, and some schools were evacuated because of fears of an earthquake.

"It was quite shocking. The location where they did this test was a lot closer to China than to where [North Korean leader] Kim Jong Il is living in Pyongyang," said

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OK here we go. I've been saying this since this latest round of Lil Kimmys temper tantrums began. You know Washington, Beijing and maybe even Moscow are on a 3way hot line right this very moment. It's time. China wont allow the region to go under they need the economic boost and this would derail their economy faster than greased lightning.

LIL Kimmy's days could be numbered.



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It's about time countries start cutting ties with N.Korea. There situation is getting out of hand. Without any support or handouts from other countries (especially BIG countries), they might have a change in attitude.

i think N.Korea are getting desperate. I said months ago, every time they put more sanctions on a country like this, the more dangerous they will become.

if all countries wash their hands of N.Korea then they better be prepared for war. In my opinion, as soon as Kim feels he has nothing to gain , he will strike out at either Japan or S.Korea.

I feel this is inevitable now. Maybe China , USA etc know this and they are the ones buying time so they can do better Re-Con of the Norths weaponry, so this will limit the damage on Seoul.

reply to post by Piranha


As some people know here I have been in some pretty heated debates over this very issue. Now it has come to pass.

As I've posted in another thread.

I'm sorry I posted a link this morning in a related thread now I forget which anyway it was basically describing how Beijing was pretty much fed up with little Kimmy at that although they were allies he was "Unstable" and he was threatening all of the hard work China has accomplished. Sorry cant find the link my bad.


Little Kimmys temper tantrums are a direct threat to the global financial recovery!

Be interesting to know what the people of NK would have to say about the idea of its leadership threatening the neigborhood.

i can't imagine they'd be as provacative as their leadership.

Great post mate! I think this is one step too far for NK. The next few weeks/months should prove interesting!

IRM

The only problem I can see here, is it is normally China that reigns him in..
If China cuts its support/bonds, then this could turn ugly real fast.

Now that Lil Kim has proven he has/had a viable nuclear device, all operation plans will need to be examined and I will go out on limb here, but I think you may find that was the purpose of the missile firings as well.

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I think this issue will come to a head much faster than that. We have Japan questioning whether or not they should adopt a first strike policy you have South Korea signing the latest agreements with the US and Now China has had enough.

While this whole time Lil Kimmy is acting like a 4 year old who isn't getting the attention he wants.

You know I just thought of something. Puts on his foil hat.

China may be signaling to the west that it's time. China is more business now than old school communists they once were. Or at least that's the way they now appear


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It appears that song he sang on 'Team America' was prophetic...

"I'm so ronery...."

Yep Kimmy... your all on your own now my man!

IRM

I don't think that this "reconsideration" really carries much weight. China doesn't want to face the backlash of appearing supportive of this. The fact that they are only "reconsidering" things makes me think that they really don't care at all. I don't see China changing their policy regarding North Korea anytime soon. If a war was to start tomorrow, I seriously doubt that China would be fighting against North Korea.

Originally posted by Karlhungis
I seriously doubt that China would be fighting against North Korea.

True but they may just sit by and watch the fireworks. They have tighter and more prosperous ties with South Korea and Japan. In the end they would benefit financially. S Korea would be in a serious predicament like West Germany was taking on East Germany after the collapse.

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you could be right with that.

China "allows" the US/NATO forces to complete the job, whilst standing on the side lines. Most likely Russia would stand aside as well.

Allied forces gets bogged down in the mountains and the war starts to drag out.
USA/other Allied forces have to go further into debt with China to continue with the war.

China comes out on top financially (they end up owning everything) whilst the rest of the world slave along to the debt they owe.

Would also reduce the amount of hardware the US and other allied forces have, and would allow China a better look close up into how the US and allies do business. Would allow China a greater chance to come up with better counter measures.

Just a thought!

You just never know economics makes strange bedfellows sometimes.
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U.S. appeals to China to help stabilize Pakistan

The Obama administration has appealed to China to provide training and even military equipment to help Pakistan counter a growing militant threat, U.S. officials said.

The proposal is part of a broad push by Washington to enlist key allies of Pakistan in the effort to stabilize the country. The U.S. is seeking to persuade Islamabad to step up its efforts against militants, while supporting the fragile civilian government and the nation's tottering economy.

How hilarious - although it is not hilarious.

China is pointing at another country which is doing wrong.

Why doesn't China look at its own faults first - for example, Tibet.

First, fix yourself, then fix the world.

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I say good for China. They have always covered for little Kimmys attitude problems now they are questioning those ties.

About time. China just moved up a notch or two in my book.

North Korea in new threat: Talks of military hit vs. Seoul, end of '53 armistice

Read more: "North Korea in new threat: Talks of military hit vs. Seoul, end of '53 armistice" - www.nydailynews.com...&A

With the world growing increasingly weary of Pyongyang, Secretary of State Clinton phoned Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov to rally support for UN sanctions that would go beyond the hand-wringing expressions of concern in the past.

"At this time, we're working on a resolution, but I'm not going to prejudge how this is all going to come out with our partners," said State Department spokesman Ian Kelly.

Read more: "North Korea in new threat: Talks of military hit vs. Seoul, end of '53 armistice" - www.nydailynews.com...&A

IMO that report is BS.

After the last missiles tests, China INCREASED it's trades with North Korea. White wash, China trying to say they are against NK when in fact they don't really care.

China prefer having North Korea acting as a little schoolgirl than having an United Korea with NATO bases on it's border, I can assure you.

Or the only way to stop that from happening would be to eat all of Korea and take it under China control. Or... have a joint SK-China take over of NK, then have a treaty that would make Korea United but not a military power, which is unlikely.

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china is likely to back NK, they are not going to just let the US take over the north if a war breaks out, if that happens then china is "surrounded" by the US.

these "questioning the ties" news are just to make the others feel better.