Did North Korea just test a Nuke? YES they did!

Originally posted by Deus Ex Machina 42
It's not like that, at all. Stop fear mongering, there is no red generic button as seen in movies like Independence Day. Lots and I mean LOTS of planning went into this, even if it was North Korea. You people act like they aren't people, that they're just some crazy murderous monsters, it's really a racist and slim view of another country based on solely what the media has to say about them.

You think that they don't know if they launch a nuke at us first that we'll not going to launch all our nukes at them, deflect their single nuke and still come out victorious? Or even if their nuke strikes us, our nukes will them and they'll be JUST as dead as us.

Nobody wants that for their country, not even Kim Jong II

typical liberal response that no one is "bad" naturally. please go back to the liberal bubble you blew in on.

Originally posted by Karlhungis
reply to post by Conservatron

 

What response would you like to see? How would you prefer that the world handles this situation?

bombing kim's home into the 1950's

Have there been any E.A.M's Broadcasted? It would be a good sign as to how serious they are taking the matter.

The best thing the US could do is withdraw from the world and protect ourselves here. We cannot afford to continue to police the world. Then the rest of the world will have to deal with this crap. Let China, Russia and Europe worry about getting nuked.

We have the tech to move forward on a viable defense system along with our arsenal of retaliation. No nation would ever attempt an attack.

There is no options that will work with N Korea short of full war and that would bring millions of Deaths.

To me it's a waste of time and money. How many deals has the UN made with North Korea to stop this testing? I'm not saying they don't have a right to do it, every country in my opinion has the right to create nukes if they want to.

My problem is we have spent billions in the form of aid to get them to stop and look what happens. They make a deal to get some oil or food and then break the deal.

I think the west really needs to focus on star wars technology. Stop spending so much bribing these countries and start spending on things that will neutralize these things if they do decide to shoot one at our allies or us here in the United States.

If feel sorry for South Korea and Japan but at some point we are all going to have to realize someone is going to shoot one of those things at someone and we better be prepared to shoot it down of face the music...

I would like to hear all ATS members from the past who covered the North Korea story when they told everyone that their Missile test was no one's business and what do these people think of it now?

If you remember that thread and now the signs of these international countries covering their tracks by lying to the world, it makes you think that maybe Iran is in the same light, all they are doing is buying the time.

America could have been wrong about Iraq, but what if now Korea and Iran will use that knowledge against humanity? Eitherway we wait and do nothing or act on it.

This is so Fkt Up- sorry but come on man this is 2009 some people are still living in past and they want to drag the stoneage back.

[edit on 25-5-2009 by The time lord]

Quote from a comment on the Originating site :

Aussie says:
May 25, 2009 at 15:16 (Edit)

They are threatening ANOTHER test. Making that 3 if they do it.
“NORTH Korea may carry out more nuclear tests unless the United States ends its “intimidation”, a senior official at Pyongyang’s embassy in Moscow has been reported as saying.

The official was quoted by Russia’s the ITAR-TASS news agency that North Korea cannot rule out “the possibility of carrying out new nuclear tests”, adding that this would take place “if the United States and its allies continue their policy of intimidation of North Korea”.”
www.news.com.au...

A 3rd test :/

What right does the world, most notably those who have nuclear weapons, have in wanting North Korea to not have nuclear weapons when the US and Russia has thousands on each side.

Economic embargoes have been in place since the cold war, no matter what North Korea does, they are still a communistic nation. Why should any country bend over for humanitarian trinkets in exchange for food or fuel or even the right to exist just because some Rothschild or Rocketfeller wants to keep them in their place so his/her family can get richer?

Who has the right to tell North Koreans they're garbage and deserve to only have oil lamps or wood to heat their homes?


Sorry, but North Korea having nuclear weapons is an excellent way for North Korea to ensure that the United States and her servant nations never invades the country.

I wonder if North Korea would be so eager to develop nuclear weapons if no other nations who often bully it had nuclear weapons.

Fact is, nuclear weaponry is an excellent deterrent, which is why Israel (a nuclear power) is so desperate to wage war against Iran, because, horrors of horrors, Iran might be able to defend herself!

I have a feeling the North Koreans can't get it up. Even if they do strike I bet in a Godly way it backfires.

Remember this story below, now look at what is going on


North Korea space launch 'fails'
5 April 2009

(What was the whole purpose of it again?)

North Korea failed in its attempt to get a satellite into space after a rocket launch early on Sunday, US and South Korean officials say.

Two stages of the rocket and its payload landed in the Pacific Ocean, a US military statement said.

Hours earlier North Korea claimed the satellite had successfully been put into orbit and was transmitting data.

The US, EU, Japan and South Korea condemned the launch, thought to be a cover for a long-range missile test.

US President Barack Obama urged Pyongyang to "refrain from further provocative actions".

"North Korea broke the rules once more by testing a rocket that could be used for a long-range missile," Mr Obama told a crowd in the Czech capital, Prague.

"This provocation underscores the need for action - not just this afternoon at the UN Security Council, but in our determination to prevent the spread of these weapons."

Later a joint US-EU statement urged Pyongyang to abandon its pursuit of weapons of mass destruction and "policy of threats aimed at its neighbours".

The launch "harms peace and stability in northeast Asia", the statement added.

The Security Council approved a Japanese request for the emergency session.

Washington, Tokyo and Seoul regard the launch as a clear violation of Security Council resolution 1718 adopted in October 2006, which bans North Korea from carrying out ballistic missile activity.

However, both China and Russia have urged restraint in the international response.

'No threat to US'

In a statement on its website, the US Northern Command said North Korea launched a three-stage Taepodong-2 missile at 0230 GMT.

"Stage one of the missile fell into the Sea of Japan/East Sea. The remaining stages along with the payload itself landed in the Pacific Ocean.

"No object entered orbit and no debris fell on Japan."

US military authorities "assessed the space launch vehicle as not a threat to North America or Hawaii and took no action in response to this launch", the statement added.

Earlier, state media in North Korea said that the "Kwangmyongsong-2" satellite had been placed in orbit.

The satellite was transmitting data and the "Song of General Kim Il-sung" and "Song of General Kim Jong-il" - references to the late founder of North Korea and his son, the current leader - the report said.

The BBC's John Sudworth in Seoul says a failure would seriously detract from North Korea's ability to exploit the propaganda value of the launch, although it may never admit it to its own people.

In a previous satellite launch attempt in 1998, North Korea said it was sending up a device that would orbit the world transmitting revolutionary melodies.

It claimed this was also successful but the launch is believed to have been a failure as no trace of the satellite was ever found.

Testing technology?

North Korea gave prior warning of the launch and repeatedly said it was using it as part of the peaceful pursuit of a space programme, as is its right under international law.

But Pyongyang's neighbours and the US are concerned about the potential military use of the launch vehicle.

They believe the real aim of the launch was to test long-range missile technology, specifically the Taepodong-2.

They believe it could put parts of the US within the communist nation's military reach.

North Korea first tested a Taepodong-2 in July 2006. It failed less than a minute after lift-off.

Three months later, Pyongyang carried out a nuclear test.

International talks involving the US, South Korea, Japan, Russia and China on an aid-for-nuclear disarmament deal are currently stalled.


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Originally posted by The time lord
I would like to hear all ATS members from the past who covered the North Korea story when they told everyone that their Missile test was no one's business and what do these people think of it now?

If you remember that thread and now the signs of these international countries covering their tracks by lying to the world, it makes you think that maybe Iran is in the same light, all they are doing is buying the time.

America could have been wrong about Iraq, but what if now Korea and Iran will use that knowledge against humanity? Eitherway we wait and do nothing or act on it.

This is so Fkt Up- sorry but come on man this is 2009 some people are still living in past and they want to drag the stoneage back.

[edit on 25-5-2009 by The time lord]

The problem is there is not much we can do about it is there? Do we want to go to war with North Korea? China would get involved once we started.

I understand your anxiety over their testing but that is all it is at this point. I am sure they are getting approval from their masters in China. I doubt they do this with out TBTB knowing and approving.

We have two countries that live in a constant depression due to economic sanctions. Like war, sanctions don't seem to work with dictators. Their people are too weak minded to put an end to the madness so all we can do is prepare for the worst.

Unfortunately the west seems to be going broke so I doubt there is much we can do in the way of spending billions more bribing them.

South Korea and Japan are in harms way more than we are. Japan has the know how to develop rapid new technology. If I were them I would be thinking out side the box when it comes to Nukes.

I really don't think anything is going to come out of this; North Korea isn't a major oil producing country, or supplying most of the worlds opium.

There is no value in attacking, and this has been going on for 50 years; nothing will change.

reply to post by The time lord


I was one of those people and I still say It's not up to us to get involved, your country's got nukes my country's got nukes, so who are we to say you can't have them ?
If we stayed out of other country's politics and concentrated on our own affairs, the world would be a better, safer place. We've CAUSED most of this hostility by meddling in the affairs of others.

I would like to reply to those saying we should become isolationist,or what right do we have to police nukes.When oppenhimer finnished the first bombhe was so sad "we let the genie out of the bottle,and theres no putting it back".There is no way for any super power or even semi superpower to go into isolation,the one that does will be attacked by all the other power,some will attack for past deeds,some for reasources,others for power.Isolationism isnt a option in the globalworld anymore if your anykind of superpower.
As for the nukes,there was a reason we made and use the first 2 atomic weapons,was a choice between losseing 350,000 troops trying to take japan,or force them to surrender,truman choose nukes.
If the people that feel america or russia or china shouldnt police the nukes in the world i have a option for you,let everyoen have a nuke.Give every tom,dick,and harry a nuke,give bin laden a nuke, give the unibomber a nuke, give the mad guy down the street a nuke,give all the prison population nukes, give every dam person on the planet a nuke,wonder if any will be used?I would bet money on yes.
Also if NK or IRAN or anyone wanting nukes wanted to help there counrty they wouldnt ever build,test,or threaten with a nuke,thats just asking for trouble.
Also while where at the idea of letting everyone have everything,lets give everyone bubonic plague viles for xmas,or lets give every kid in the world a tank for there birthday.Or mabey we should do as some say and destroy all the nukes,let also destroy all the computers and all the cars and all the things we have invented,or wait we cant,all we can do is try to control it somewhat.
The genie is outa the bottle

Pres. Obama just had "strong words" to say about all of this. -whew-

I think I'll come out of my shelter now.
Relax world, Obama said serious stuff on the tv about how he was not going to like what happened.

And here I was, all worried. But the MSM is saying uh, well they're doing a musical on NBC, so wait a minute. . .CBS is on it, no wait, they're doing 'green' BBQ tips, I'll check ABC, nope, they're interviewing Brittany Spears, Hey, I'll check Fox. . . nope some story about a chick who went to work without makeup. CNN, nope, just Memorial Day stuff (at least they're doing something on this day), what the heck, MSNBC, ahhh crap. Reshowing Obama fund-raising clips.

I just gave the remote to my six year old. We're watching something about talking trucks now.

-sigh- I'm just gonna go back into the shelter now. . .

reply to post by devareous


Japan was on the brink of surrendering anyway, the reason why the U.S.A. really dropped the first two nukes was to show the Russians what they where capable of.

IMO, the best way to deal with NK is the way you would deal with a todler who's acting out - ignore them. The nuke tests are just a cry for attention from an isolated, out of touch, ultimately doomed, regime with delusions of grandeur. These nukes are pretty crude and only a danger if they superglue them to one of their bottle rockets - and they probably wouldn't even try that due to the large probability of it blowing up on the launch pad.

Either we should slap them hard and send them to their room, or just ignore them completely until they collapse from the inside. Giving them all this attention is just giving them the control they want.

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I feel it is really China testing these things and letting North Korea take the blame. This way they can get away with testing while condemning North Korea with a wink.

There is nothing short of war that will stop these people from developing and testing Nukes.

I am sick and tired of spending our blood and treasure protecting other nations. It's about time some of these other countries get some real skin in the game and step up to confront these dictators. Japan is no slouch. Let them go to war if they feel a threat.

Personally, I feel no threat from North Korea at all. If I lived in Japan or South Korea I would feel very different and I would be preparing for the worst.

reply to post by komp_uk


Oooooooooooh, scary. I am so scared. I am shaking and sweating right this very second.

PLEASE!

All this crap is for power posture. All these back hills third world countries use this nuke crap to get what they want. They will not use a nuke (even if they had a delivery system) because if they launched even one, it would mean they would receive 15 - 20 back. In other words total destruction of their country and people.

North Korea isn't even a country, its more like a land mass with a couple million brainwashed starving military trained peasants obeying a crazy retarded manchild on a power trip. After Kims stroke, I am sure he is even dumber.

Please quit fear mongering. We are American's and we don't care.

If they make a move, we destroy them. Period.

Well, off to the movies

lol

Geez

[edit on 25-5-2009 by arizonascott]

reply to post by star in a jar


You seem to be very near delusional My suggestion to you is 1st see who started the korean war. Second Every nations that gains the ability to use nuclear weapons makes the world that much more dangerous.Especially in the hands of rogue nations. He all ready plays the game of issuing demands to the international community. What happens if he decides to raise the stakes. And as far as isolationism ive seen mentioned in this thread was tried before and we ended up with a world war.As much as people would like to think we can bury our head in the sand we cant afford the cost.

nvm, soz next page.



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