FBI Blows It: Supposed Terror Plot Against NY Synagogues Is Bogus

reply to post by bobbylove321


What planet are you on? I cannot believe there are still people who do not believe that planes hit the WTC.

This case reminds me of another case where 2 college kids were found with explosives in their trunk and EVERYONE (99.9%) of the people on this site DEFENDED them and said the government acted inappropriately.

That kid, Ahmed Mohamed, was eventually convicted and admitted to terror sympathizing. He finally plead guilty after saying he just had fireworks....

There are terrorists in this country that have NOTHING to do with our government folks. This is not fearmongering but fact.

Bogus. Just like explosives at the WTC...all pomp and NO evidence.

reply to post by masonwatcher


Most reform[ed] rabbis are atheists and a shopfront for radicals..... That is one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever heard.

The End

Well I will be darned.. I take a break for a day and the IdiotFest continues on.

So BobbyLove.. if planes didnt hit the WTC the what did hit it. I must ask. Are you blind or dont you own a TV? Everyone in America watched the planes hit the WTC, but I guess that was just part of the illusion created during the best conspiracy ever, ever, ever...by the evil masterminds of Bush and Cheney.

Originally posted by esdad71


There are terrorists in this country that have NOTHING to do with our government folks. This is not fearmongering but fact.

Almost everyone is considered a terrorist in this country, haven't you been through those nazi patrol checkpoints, if you live inside or outside the "Constitution-Free Zone" your a terrorist.

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Originally posted by justsomeboreddude


if planes didnt hit the WTC the what did hit it. I must ask.

Possibly an orchestratration of planted explosives and holographic special effects co-ordinated by Zioinist Hollywood producers and reform rabbis.

As plausible an explanation as some I've heard.

Mike

Originally posted by mmiichael

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude


if planes didnt hit the WTC the what did hit it. I must ask.

Possibly an orchestratration of planted explosives and holographic special effects co-ordinated by Zioinist Hollywood producers and reform rabbis.

As plausible an explanation as some I've heard.

Mike

LOL, yeah. I am pretty sure it flashed produced by Steven Speilberg right when the planes, uh I mean illusions, hit the builldings.

I guess JFK getting shot was illusion, and the space shuttles blowing up were an illusion. Hell the whole world is an illusion created by the reptillians

[edit on 5/25/2009 by justsomeboreddude]

FBI Agent on Synagogue Case Has Questionable Record

The FBI agent with a high-profile role in yesterday's arrests of four men for plotting a terror attack in New York has a pretty interesting -- and controversial -- track record.

Special Agent Robert Fuller, whose name appears at the top of the federal criminal complaint in the case, had a hand in the FBI's failure to nab two of the 9/11 hijackers, had one of his informants set himself on fire in front of the White House, and was involved in misidentifying a Canadian man as a terrorist leading to his secret arrest and torture -- a case that is now the subject of a major lawsuit.

Fuller is listed as the lead agent in the arrests of four men yesterday who officials say were trying to blow up a couple of synagogues and shoot a military jet from the sky. But as in other cases of seemingly inept homegrown terrorists, the four suspects were supplied (inert) weapons from an FBI informant, and in coming weeks we'll learn more about how much that informant goaded the four suspects into carrying out the supposed acts of terrorism. The case is being prosecuted in the Southern District of New York. (James Margolin, an FBI spokesman said the agency declines to comment for this story, because Fuller is a potential witness in an ongoing prosecution.)

Fuller was also on the team that was tasked to track down two of the 9/11 hijackers in August, 2001, prior to the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon.

The New York Observer reported that after the CIA told the FBI that the two hijackers, Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hamzi were in the United States, Fuller was assigned to bring them into custody on Aug. 23, 2001, 19 days prior to the attacks.

A fellow agent, the Observer reported, had labeled the lead "routine," meaning that Fuller had 30 days to catch them. Fuller went through local databases, checked Mihdhar's New York hotel and then let it drop. Standard procedure, the papers said, held that he also should have search commercial databases, but he did not.

He later claimed that he consulted ChoicePoint database on Sept. 4 or 5, but the 9/11 Commission later concluded that the FBI did not consult that database until after the attacks, the newspaper said.

blogs.villagevoice.com...

How fortunate for Cheney and Co , that he was amiss at his duties.

Originally posted by Night Watchman

So, we should not take anything the MSM reports at face value (a sentiment I agree with by the way) but we should take the report from some website at face value?

Unless you have some additional sources that corroborate the report in the OP then that is exactly what you are doing. It constantly amazes me how some here will lecture about the dangers of believing the MSM and yet accept the word of someone like Alex Jones (or the website quoted in the OP).

You can't deny ignorance if you are only skeptical about sources that report news that does not fit into your preconceived world view.

Thanks for your well thought out reply.

I agree that one cannot simply blanket trust or blanket rule out any sources of information. Critical thinking requires us to corroborate the information from many sources and then use our intelligence to make an informed decision as to what is really going on.

I think AJ has a pretty biased point of view and will slant information based on his purpose de jour as much as the MSM will do the same. When I stated that ATS has been in front of the MSM is was based on posts about the recent N Korea nuke test, and much of the swine flu information as well as the financial meltdown. Many aspects of these topics were posted here before the MSM chose to portray their version of the events.

It is JUST as dangerous to believe in any one source of information regardless of the source. It is far more intelligent to seek out additional supporting or additional contrary points of view before we choose what we will accept as truth. History is also a good indicator of what we might choose as truth, IF we are willing to accept that history has been written by the victors and may also be slanted to a point of view.

Hope that clears that up.
..Ex

[edit on 5/25/2009 by v3_exceed]

reply to post by mmiichael


Glad to see we agree on some points. Also what is going on in the ME has nothing to do with religion, it is about power; the pursuit and the application of power. Religion is about mobilising the plebs and pulling the wool over the eyes of the American tax payer.

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reply to post by dashen


You do know, don't you, that the troll is just encouraged by the attention.

Originally posted by dubiousone
reply to post by dashen

 

You do know, don't you, that the troll is just encouraged by the attention.

I know, but I like to try to reason with the sheeple. Anyway, some of these guys are not stupid people. They just can't accept the fact that our Alphabet Soup orgs usually get their hands very dirty while fullfilling their bosses orders. They also are VERY uncomfortable dealing with the FACT that people do very irrational and evil things in the pursuit of money and power, or a budget from congress. It's much easier to catch terrorists when you make them, and know where they are. It is also very hard to look reasonable or sane when people who you are grouped with still don't beleive that planes hit the WTC. The Pentagon is lot more dubious, but what hit is still not a fact except to those who ACTUALLY saw it. And they have all been forced to sign confidentiality agreements. I love America damn it. I love the idea of a land of freedom and opportunity. My parents came here from the USSR (remember them?), land of the secret police and government set ups. I remember all the horror stories they used to tell me of the crooked systems, of police shake downs, and knocks on the door late at night followed by that person's "dissapearance". I greatly fear this land decending into that Orwellian nightmare, but worse, at the "people's" behest.

In 93 the WTC attack explosives were supplied by the FBI.

The FBI Allowed the 1993
WTC Bombing to Happen

Link

THE NEW YORK TIMES

* * * * *

Thursday October 28, 1993 Page A1

"Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart
Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast"

By Ralph Blumenthal

Law-enforcement officials were told that terrorists were building a bomb that was eventually used to blow up the World Trade Center, and they planned to thwart the plotters by secretly substituting harmless powder for the explosives, an informer said after the blast.

The informer was to have helped the plotters build the bomb and supply the fake powder, but the plan was called off by an F.B.I. supervisor who had other ideas about how the informer, Emad Salem, should be used, the informer said.

The account, which is given in the transcript of hundreds of hours of tape recordings that Mr. Salem secretly made of his talks with law-enforcement agents, portrays the authorities as being in a far better position than previously known to foil the February 26th bombing of New York City's tallest towers.

The explosion left six people dead, more than a thousand people injured, and damages in excess of half-a-billion dollars. Four men are now on trial in Manhattan Federal Court [on charges of involvement] in that attack.

Mr. Salem, a 43-year-old former Egyptian Army officer, was used by the Government [of the United States] to penetrate a circle of Muslim extremists who are now charged in two bombing cases: the World Trade Center attack, and a foiled plot to destroy the United Nations, the Hudson River tunnels, and other New York City landmarks. He is the crucial witness in the second bombing case, but his work for the Government was erratic, and for months before the World Trade Center blast, he was feuding with the F.B.I.

Supervisor `Messed It Up'

After the bombing, he resumed his undercover work. In an undated transcript of a conversation from that period, Mr. Salem recounts a talk he had had earlier with an agent about an unnamed F.B.I. supervisor who, he said, "came and messed it up."

"He requested to meet me in the hotel," Mr. Salem says of the supervisor.

"He requested to make me to testify, and if he didn't push for that, we'll be going building the bomb with a phony powder, and grabbing the people who was involved in it. But since you, we didn't do that."

The transcript quotes Mr. Salem as saying that he wanted to complain to F.B.I. Headquarters in Washington about the Bureau's failure to stop the bombing, but was dissuaded by an agent identified as John Anticev.

Mr. Salem said Mr. Anticev had told him,

"He said, I don't think that the New York people would like the things out of the New York Office to go to Washington, D.C."

Another agent, identified as Nancy Floyd, does not dispute Mr. Salem's account, but rather, appears to agree with it, saying of the `New York people':

"Well, of course not, because they don't want to get their butts chewed."

Originally posted by masonwatcher

Glad to see we agree on some points. Also what is going on in the ME has nothing to do with religion, it is about power; the pursuit and the application of power. Religion is about mobilising the plebs and pulling the wool over the eyes of the American tax payer.

Agreed. There have been all sorts of pretenses for war, but in the end it's really about land and resources. But people require a rallying cause to go get their heads blown off.

Mike





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reply to post by ADVISOR


Let's be clear, are we talking about the militias in this country?

Could this be just a botched recruitment job, or perhaps one of the men did something that would be proof positive that the government was involved. They pulled the plug on the operation. Arresting the guys involved and pat themselves on the back for a job well done.

(terrorist 1 twittered just the day before: "lol can you believ dat da man is payin uz to beep a place up?")

Needless to say thanks to water boarding prisoners at gitmo, they were able to uncover this insidious plot. finding all three suspects at a local adult book shop punching kittens in the face. (they are baaaad, men, bad)

Whole time I knew this was bull. I turned on the news and heard this immediately changed the channel. Like the damn media is gullable. The government feels like they find one small thing even if its fluke to just get the attention of the country and expect good graces. Like theyr trying to gain theyr respect back or something

Originally posted by SKIN-E
Whole time I knew this was bull. I turned on the news and heard this immediately changed the channel. Like the damn media is gullable. The government feels like they find one small thing even if its fluke to just get the attention of the country and expect good graces. Like theyr trying to gain theyr respect back or something

Same here. Everytime I heard about this story on talk radio I smelled something fishy, especially when they said the FBI agent provided them with fake bombs.

Look, I understand that it is really scary that these hooligans were enticed enough to make a lot of money to the point that they wanted to bomb synagogues and whatnot. These were obviously illegal acts they committed.

The fact of the matter is that these things probably never even crossed their minds until some undercover FBI Agent comes along, plants these ideas in their heads in order to make some money and they buys and provides all of the ammo.

The only terrorists we should be afraid of are the ones who are religious fanatics with ties to some big kahunas able to provide the finances and materials in order for them to carry out systematic attacks on American soil. The ones that are motivated by zealotry and ideology, not making money.

These were most obviously NOT those kinds of terrorists. I'm pretty sure that we can't even call these petty criminals "terrorists" at all.

Originally posted by nunya13

The only terrorists we should be afraid of are the ones who are religious fanatics with ties to some big kahunas able to provide the finances and materials in order for them to carry out systematic attacks on American soil. The ones that are motivated by zealotry and ideology, not making money.

These were most obviously NOT those kinds of terrorists. I'm pretty sure that we can't even call these petty criminals "terrorists" at all.

In 2000-01, the combined American intelligence agencies failed to respond to reports of Middle Easterners attending flying schools, interested less in landing and take off than in actual inflight controlling.

There was some indications of an imminent attack on the US.

Sometimes these agencies overreact at other times they under-respond.

We only find out this is the case after the fact.

Possibly someone thought this was a better safe than sorry situation.

Full details are still lacking on this case and I think there is a lot of rush to judgement happening here.


Mike

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Originally posted by mmiichael
Why are there apologists for people preparing to kill innocent people?

I dont think people are defending their actions, they are just attacking the FBI involvement and more importantly, willingness to exploit the poor! Lenin would be rolling in his grave!

You see, he clearly took advantage of these 4 (not so)gentlemen by offering them money and drugs, and they feel compelled to return the favour. It is classic Russian Mafia tactic. You see, someone befriends you, pretend they give you protection, and care, get you what you want, respect, power, women, whatever. For free? No, they will compel you to do them a 'favour'. Why? To protect and better themselves!

Add to this fact that they are drug addicts, do you know what poor abusers will do for their fix? ANYTHING! Looksee, they are poor, black, forgotten peoples of the slums and so if marijuana makes their lives better, well they are more likely to do anything for it. Not to mention claim that they were learning disabled..?

Sure they probably had willingness beforehand, but we dont know that. The point is that the FBI is coercing people to do crimes, it can only be for evil intent! Or do you think they are trying to coax out future criminal? Minority Report style? Im sure if you set your mind to it, you could be so obnoxiously annoying that you set someone off to assault you. Then everyone blames him for attacking you! These are not nice men, but their main crime is being born poor... if your government spent half the money on infrastructure as it does on the war on terror and FBI... hell you wouldnt have poor people committing crimes for money!

Originally posted by dashen
Yep. And then there's the CIA. Who actually recruits REAL terrorists to do REAL attacks. But you'll never ever see THAT on the front page of the Daily News. Bastards.

these so called terrorists looked like they were just picked up from bronx streeets and they agreed to ba cought for food and shelter -_- ; everyone things it was staged but why they are so desperate to keep on doing these silly red flags ops?