Conservative radio hosts gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before saying its torture

Originally posted by its bologna
reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage

 

yeah, like sticking one end of a power cord to socket and the other to fingers..its not the intended use, but it could be used as a torture device.

Tasering or using pepper spray repeatedly can be torture.

Show me one case where it was proven that police used them for torture. Come on, this is all speculation. Yeah, police can use guns to torture people too, doesn't mean that they do, doesn't mean that police shouldn't carry them, doesn't mean that a gun is classified as a torture device.

Originally posted by WisdomInChains
Do you think if mancow had any sensitive information he would have told us?

Do you think if mancow didn't have any sensitive information he would have told us some lies to stop the torture?

Do you think that every one of the thousands that we have tortured were terrorists? Even the children that were raped in front of their parents, which is on tape locked away in some vault? (Look up Seymour Hersh)


On a different note, I become very upset when I see a "news anchor" or "news correspondent" using the term Enhanced Interrogation Techniques. Either they are corrupt individuals who are regurgitating memos sent to them by the Pentagon (which is documented that they do, look it up), or these people are mildly retarded. And I am not making fun of the mentally disabled, I mean they are mostly likely incapable of rational thought if they truly believe that torture isn't torture.

Next thing you know, we'll be referring to government sponsored murder as Life Obviation Tactics, and the people will buy it. Call everything by its proper name, and then argue whether or not it's moral. But we all know torture is never moral (unless you're a utilitarian, which is a horrible philosophy to live by), so the government has to use a euphemism for torture to argue its morality. Urgh, have some intellectual integrity, people!

[edit on 22-5-2009 by Viral]

reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage


How many people have you seen being water boarded?
Other than Mancow?

Here is a Health Article on Tasers.
www.healthline.com...

they say 170 people have died from tasering since '99.
But since it's only used to subdue people, it's alright, I suppose.

No way to tell about pepper spray..it would probably kill my wife though, she is allergic to peppers.

Hey! Everyone!
You're missing the point!
Was.
It.
Effective?
Were lives saved? You can agrue all day and night about the legality, but did something GOOD come from it?

Originally posted by jerico65

Originally posted by yellowcard

Many right-wing hosts have different perspectives on this, some even say that the terrorists have no right under the Geneva Convention because they weren't in uniform.

They don't. If you're caught fighting in as an insurgent, you can be treated as a war criminal. It's all spelled out in the Geneva Convention.

This may be true but that goes under a declaration of war onto another "state". The "state" of terror doesn't count and we never declared war. This makes any treaty null and void. They knew what they were doin.

Originally posted by mikerussellus
Hey! Everyone!
You're missing the point!
Was.
It.
Effective?
Were lives saved? You can agrue all day and night about the legality, but did something GOOD come from it?

Hey! You!
You're missing the point!
It.
Is.
Illegal!
Lives were not saved! Information obtained was usually false! Nothing GOOD ever came from it! Military officers and intelligence officials have testified to this!
Look it up!

reply to post by spacedoubt


I,m a retired PD and all I can tell you for sure is that -Technically "know one has died from the electrical shock of a taser. Now , with that said, several people have died when they were tased and most of them were also high on drugs to the point that any more stress added to their system in any form causes them to fall down and in some cases stop breathing or go into catatonic state and later would die because the drugs or other original injury was just to much tramma for their body to handle..Now let me add this FYI- I am a "shade tree inventor" I have met jack Cover the Inventor of the original taser.
Jack designed the taser under the supervision of a medical doctor as to the voltage ,amperage and pulse needed to incapasitate a person without leaving any physilogical damage. so as you can see, the taser was not just the brain child of some guy who owned a cattle prod who wanted to make it safe to use on humans. I personally have been tased and stun-gunned many time and yes it is ,well it's hard to describe how I felt each time but I prepared mentally for each time so each experience was a little different. let me add here, please take into consideration the conditioning that a person receive as part of their training to prepare them for harsh interrogation. This applies to water boarding, or other harsh methods.I believe that water-boarding is not as harsh as some college hazing techniques that are used to welcome a new member to a frat. so be realistic in your evaluation.

Originally posted by bsbray11
In my opinion you're wrong, and you were the one who brought up a 9/11 reference, so you reap what you sow. Every time you bring up 9/11 talking about "terrorists," I'm going to bring up the fact that it was an inside job, the whole point/counterpoint thing.

Actually, Homeslice, you brought up that 9/11 stuff. "Inside job" my white Irish ass.

Originally posted by bsbray11
Those would stop too if weren't there, ya know? Those are ultimately our fault too, for pissing them off. When we finally leave, militarily and in all other political respects, we can say, "Your problem now, your responsibility." You seem to enjoy being callous, so that should resonate with you.

That's funny. The insurgents are striking back against the bad ol' USA by blowing up a bunch of kids in a market? You think if we picked up and left right now, they would stop? This is one group blasting another for whatever reason they get into their tiny brain.

The insurgents are going to get pissed off at anything we do; it just doesn't matter. These are guys that think that by getting shot in the face by some 18 year old from Arkansas is going to get them a crack at a bunch of virgins.

Originally posted by bsbray11
You obviously bought into the load of crap. I didn't. I'm not afraid of being blown up by a Muslim terrorist, I never have been, I never will be. You are still talking about illegally torturing people. You know, the Nazis' big enemy was Communists! It was communists this, and communists that, and everyone hated them so much, the Nazis staged a couple of things and started going to wars with countries for no good reason. But lots of German people sure thought there was damn good reason, because they had become totally lost in the media frenzy that you're also lost in here in the US. We've done the same things and we're continuing on the same path. You can read news reports here of camps being contracted, built, etc. Obama is even mentioning them now. It is not a political right/left issue, it's a 'fascists are taking over our country' issue.

OK, you lost me. Camps? I think you need to step back and get back on topic here. I believe there are many threads here repeating the same tired BS about FEMA camps. And remember, if they do really exist, I get top bunk.

Originally posted by bsbray11
Yet you have no problem making cracks at me as if I'm a democrat, so it does kind of matter. Apparently you have trouble discriminating who you're talking to, and what you're talking about.

Nah, I don't care what party you follow. And I have no problem figuring out who I'm talking to, but you do seem to have a problem with going off onto some wild tangents (9/11 and the "camps").

this sounds a little funny to me. The story seems extreme like acting. How would you act if you were tortured type thing. When people I respect get waterboarded i will value their opinion.

reply to post by spacedoubt

How many people have you seen being water boarded?
Other than Mancow?

How is that relevant? I've seen people waterboarded and I've seen people being tasered.

I've heard cases of water boarding being used to get information from terrorist.

I've never heard of an officer being fired or convicted for torturing someone with a taser or pepper spray.

they say 170 people have died from tasering since '99.
But since it's only used to subdue people, it's alright, I suppose.

It all depends on each individual case. Perhaps excessive force was used. There may be several factors for why some people died. Does it state how many people have been tasered since '99 in total? Did more than the majority survive?

Originally posted by drwizardphd
Lives were not saved!

Really? Bet your life on that?

Originally posted by drwizardphd
Information obtained was usually false!

"Usually false". That means that some was true.

Originally posted by drwizardphd
Nothing GOOD ever came from it! Military officers and intelligence officials have testified to this!
Look it up!

They said that torture isn't the best way to go about it, not that nothing good ever came from it.

reply to post by drwizardphd



So ALL the reports about another attack that was supposed to have taken place in LA but was stopped because of information obtained by waterboarding is false?
Get the 'false-moon-landing/UFO-abduction/Jimmy Hoffa-JFK/Bigfoot people together!
'Cause this "lie" has got to be a bigger conspiracy than ANYTHING!!!

reply to post by mikerussellus

So ALL the reports about another attack that was supposed to have taken place in LA but was stopped because of information obtained by waterboarding is false?

Even if that is true thousands of Americans are dead because we went into Iraq with false information obtained through torture. How does that sit with you?

Originally posted by Majic
Making Waves

It occurs to me that perhaps the whole waterboarding issue is just a case of poor marketing.

Maybe if the U.S. Government could work out a contract with a popular surf music band and turn waterboarding into the latest "teen craze" and beach party phenomenon, it would become so popular that people would insist on their right to be waterboarded...


Waterboarding With Me
(with apologies to the Beach Boys)

I got some information that the government wants from me now
(Come on, let's go waterboarding!)
But I would rather stay cool than suffer the third degree now
(Come on, let's go waterboarding!)
So I'll just hang on tight and see how long I can hold my breath now
(Come on, let's go waterboarding!)
And we can party away as we go waterboarding tonight!

(Telecaster and organ riff)

We got a bucket and a rag
And we're all getting ready to surf now
We're tipping back, tucking in, hanging on,
Heading up for a breath now

We thrash around, scream out loud, turn blue
And call for a lawyer
But the ride is the best since Huck Finn hit the waves
With Tom Sawyer

So come on, come on and go waterboarding with me!
Yeah come on, come on and go waterboarding with me!

Brian Wilson, eat your heart out.

I should dust off my microphone and record this.

(Just my personal opinion, nothing more.)


[edit on 5/22/2009 by Majic]

Hehe! Telecaster and organ riff out!

Yeah thats was really funny! it made me laugh out loud!

Thank you!

Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage
reply to post by mikerussellus

 

So ALL the reports about another attack that was supposed to have taken place in LA but was stopped because of information obtained by waterboarding is false?

Even if that is true thousands of Americans are dead because we went into Iraq with false information obtained through torture. How does that sit with you?

What false information? Please reiterate.
As for going into Iraq in the first place, there are alot of things I would like to change in the past.
But I can't.
What I can do is my best to make sure that the PRESENT and the FUTURE outcomes benefit everyone. Fewer lives lost, fewer injuries cost.
If I, and I mean just me, could end the war quicker for everyone involved with just a sledgehammer and some bamboo, then send me to Lowes! Finger pointing is all well and good in the halls of the Congress (it seems that that is all that they are good at) but the actual "getting your hands dirty" and finishing what those morons in DC started has fallen to those who were always will to take those steps that might be 'out-of-bounds to those that sit in Ivory Towers.

I haven't read the whole post, so apologies if this has been linked to elsewhere...

I think Christopher Hitchens waterboarding is more realistic. He is bound and masked and it's the intermittent drips of water that puts panic in your breathing.

I won't link any Kamer Rouge torture techniques; they really knew how to inflict maximum pain and suffering.

What happened to the good old polygraph and evidence for arrest. In the UK, it seems they arrest Muslims, parade them on the 10 'o clock news and the MSM doesn't report their release a few months later. It's all just a façade, to justify their lock-down on the populous.

When I was in POW camp, I was waterboarded like 30 minutes each time if my memory serves me right. 6 or 7 times over the week, for 6 weeks. It felt like an eternity.

I actually drowned once I think, I coughed and gushed up a fountain of water 2 feet high, and got the interrogator wet he was so pissed it got double the water board that time!! hahahaha


But in my honest opinion, Waterboarding isn't torture. Dislocating joints, pulling nails off and cutting limbs off is torture.

If Waterboarding is getting us good intelligence, keep on with it. There is no moral issue here

reply to post by yellowcard


HAHAHA WHAT A WIMP!!!! And they say we are Daffodils? I could last more than 6 seconds. And I am a woman!!! Of course to be fair,I was on a swim team so.

reply to post by mikerussellus

What false information? Please reiterate.

The tortured man I'm referring to:

Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, whose false claims that Saddam had biological weapons aided Bush's invasion, has diedcrooksandliars.com...

And as the article states he's dead now, conveniently so. He's the smoking gun witness on this matter and now he's gone. There's an ATS thread discussing it: www.abovetopsecret.com...

What I can do is my best to make sure that the PRESENT and the FUTURE outcomes benefit everyone.

Then why would you allow torture and allow for us to be put in that situation again?

EDIT: to add another article link for you www.huffingtonpost.com...

[edit on 22-5-2009 by rapinbatsisaltherage]

Years ago at the time of the kidnapping and subsequent murder of Aldo Moro in Italy, a police commander was asked why suspects in the case weren't tortured to get information that might have saved Mr. Moro's life.

He said that Italy could survive the death of Mr. Moro but that it couldn't survive the introduction of torture into police procedures. He was right.

The jury is still out on whether the United States (as we know it) will survive the introduction of torture, renditions, suspension of habeas corpus, suspension of the Posse Comitatus Act, introduction of the Patriot Act and the mass production of presidential signing statements to evade portions of the law that an imperial "president" might find inconvenient.