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Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
Originally posted by riley
Actually he said "many" which means he basically was saying that.
No sorry this has to stop now. I said few use it but many know the power of it. I know the power of that word as well as a man. You i'm afraid are simply to emotional to realise what was meant by that,you leapt upon it unfairly. I am NOT saying most women have or will claim it, i am saying most know the power of it. Those are two different things and if you continue down this path of taking my quote out of context then you only damage your own arguments.
Originally posted by riley
Unfairly..? YOU are the one who said it not me. Misunderstanding perhaps but you chose the phrase and the context I read it in was very unterstandable given you posted "many" examples.
Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
Originally posted by riley
Unfairly..? YOU are the one who said it not me. Misunderstanding perhaps but you chose the phrase and the context I read it in was very unterstandable given you posted "many" examples.
Riley i will say it again as you seem unabel to grasp it.
I said many know the power, not that many use it. You need to take a step back, calm down and realise it was not meant in the way yo think it was. I have explained how it was meant and you still cannot accept it. I would say this is because you are just to emotional about the topic, which whilst understandable is not excusable. Please do not continue to twist how i meant something, it is unfair and dishonest in a debate.
Originally posted by riley
Unable to grasp it? This is my last response to you. I had just conceded that it may have been an misunderstanding yet you put the "you're just being emotional" spin on it DESPITE your claiming YOU and other men are all afraid of being accused of rape. So you are allowed to be emotional then yet people who disagree with you aren't? YOU posted a thread about how "many women when pushed know the power of this little word." They are your words. Why would they have to be pushed to realise the power of a word unless.. you meant in vengence? Nice attempt at backtracking.
Originally posted by riley
and please stop crying as though you did not expect to get contrary reactions from your dramatically titled OP. It's about women falsely accusing men of rape.. very few women even report rapes because all women know they will get crucified in courts if they do. You are perpatuating myths that false rape convictions happen alot.
..even though you said they don't.
Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
I expected reaction, just not ones that took something i said and abused it to their own ends.
Originally posted by riley
Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
I expected reaction, just not ones that took something i said and abused it to their own ends.
I read your posts and you honestly sounded like you were actually trying to meet me halfway.. yet then you just voided it by accusing me of abusing your words to my own ends.
Do not talk about me playing fair if you aren't going to do it yourself.
I'm done with this thread. be happy for it.
Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
Originally posted by riley
Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
I expected reaction, just not ones that took something i said and abused it to their own ends.
I read your posts and you honestly sounded like you were actually trying to meet me halfway.. yet then you just voided it by accusing me of abusing your words to my own ends.
Do not talk about me playing fair if you aren't going to do it yourself.
I'm done with this thread. be happy for it.
Oh for heavens sake, i met you halfway and just explained why i was annoyed with what you had put.
If you're done fine, this little back and fourth will have sealed the fate of the thread anyway *sighs*.
I guess hoping for a careful debate on such an issue will never work as someone will always derail it. guess i'll keep that debate for real life as the intentions of a statement don't always come across well on the internet.
Originally posted by Ace High
For a very public example of this just look at the Duke Lacrosse scandal. There was a great book written on the case, It's Not About the Truth: The Untold Story of the Duke Lacrosse Rape Case and the Lives It Shattered by Don Yaeger. An entire team of players reputation was ruined, death threats sent to them, etc. When in the end there was nothing to it.
Originally posted by intrepid
Enough riley. Refrain from derailing this thread further.
Originally posted by Ace HighYes, the book I mentioned was a very interesting read. The case became very political very fast.
A large group of professors paid to have full page ads against the lacrosse team, many of which were there own students, most have yet to apologize even after the case was dropped due to the claim being fabricated.
Originally posted by riley
edit. yeah I know I shouldn't have bothered defending myself with this post.
I would just hope people remember that it is a minority of rape convictions that are false.
[edit on 22-5-2009 by riley]
Originally posted by riley
Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
Firstly i am not disagreeing with myself, nearly all of my friends are female and this post comes shortly after a conversation where they were all very frank about knowing the power of that word. One even called it a trump card. They all said they would never use it, but if pushed i wonder.
I'm not sure what class of people you hang around with but I have not heared it being abused in such a way.
Originally posted by Sonya610
Perhaps he does hang out with the wrong crowd.
Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
Unfair, very. My friends are decent and kind people. They did not say they WOULD use it, only they understood the power of it. Again i see myself being misquoted. When my friend said a trump card she didn't mean she would use it only that others have and would.
I never personally had to go through this but at one point my senior year of high school a girl I had sex with claimed , how should i put this, that I " could not get it up" when she knows damn well we went at it for a good 30 min. I had to basically call her out on it on front of other people, and she tried to deny she said it and then everybody saw she was lying about it and she admitted " I shouldn't have said that".. But I garauntee some girls still thought I had a " getting it up " problem.
However it needs to be discussed somewhere because innocent men have been imprisoned and if you think that is fine and doesn't need discussion then i don't know what to say.
I know this is only a small percentage of women doing this, but i think when pushed many women know the power of this little word.
I'm sorry ladies i mean no offense
Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
Originally posted by riley
edit. yeah I know I shouldn't have bothered defending myself with this post.
I would just hope people remember that it is a minority of rape convictions that are false.
[edit on 22-5-2009 by riley]
I don't believe anyone ever said that false convictions were in the majority, we all know it's the minority. The point i was originally making is that when accused mens lives are destroyed, when in court their trials are not always fair due to public opinion when they hear the word rape, and some women have used this as a way of getting back at guys they don't like for whatever reason.
I know that the false convictions are the minority, however in my humble opinion, 1 is to many and no studies have been done to see exactly how many of these cases are false convictions because no one will ever fund that study due to the power of this word and the sensitive nature of the material.
Originally posted by Sonya610
You said YOURSELF you wonder if they would do it if "pushed". But they are super nice people? What does that mean? Nice people will bring false accusations that could ruin other people's lives if they are "pushed"?
Not in my world. Decent people in MY world do not come up with horrendous lies, or perger themselves, or commit crimes by filing false charges. To each their own I suppose.
Originally posted by riley
You are implying that rape cases are not fair? Judges and juries are chosen so they are not tainted by public opinion.
Originally posted by riley
This is where I have a problem. You say "yeah know they're in the minority" then you backflip and say how there are no studies like you doubt the statistics? Why would there be?
If there is evidence that suggests a woman lied and filed a false report then yes he should be cleared and compensated.. but it sounds like you are suggesting rape cases be studied to see if they're real even if they've been convicted? wtf? Are you suggesting these cases get reoppened just because a woman lies occasionally ..? The "power of the word rape" has NOTHING to do with them not studying it.. it is about victims rights. If someone has a problem with a verdict they can appeal the decision.. it is not the victim who is on trial.
[edit on 22-5-2009 by riley]