New colored tags to replace the mystery colored bar...

Originally posted by mikesingh

Originally posted by infinite
I officially love Bill and the administration. In fact, I offer my hand in marriage - I can cook, clean and wear tin foil on special occasions
Offers?

Love Bill? Offer your hand in marriage? Jeez! I ain't dead yet. I'm tall, dark and handsome..and needless to say virile!!

If you're of the opposite sex, straight and not a mod on ATS (you'll be too busy to cook and clean for me if you are!), then you're my girl!!

(You're a girl?

)

Mike, I really hate to burst your bubble here, and I'm laughing so hard, I'm in tears.

I should really use this to leverage something, but I am hurting inside with laughter.

infinite is not female.

Look Out For Post's That Cause Immense Pain Due to Being Extremely Silly


[edit on 16-5-2009 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

*Has flash backs to the trauma of when ATS believed infinite was female. And, the U2U in which a male member decided to hit on him*

But, I do fall victim to moments of manwife tendencies

Oh intrepid! *whistles*

reply to post by infinite


I was laughing so hard when I read that.

I love the new look. Look, I kept on topic.

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
These acknowledgements do not imply that those who mostly reply are not valuable to the community.

Yes it does. Can't have it both ways. If you are "rewarding" some people for their actions, then obviously these are actions you think are worth rewarding.

And pretty much the rest of your post is some "mommy loves you no matter what" stuff.

I think the system isn't very good at all and is a terrible idea. Rather have some bar than giving out these kinds of titles and stuff, which aren't even based on if the person even meets the title. Equating someone to "god-like wisdom" for example because they please a mod 150 times? What does getting 150 applause's have to do with wisdom, being aware or whatever?

The system and counting itself is based largely upon biases and so forth. If I wanted, I could completely game your system because it's just a matter of saying things people agree with.

Not a huge deal like i'm going to quit posting or anything, but I think it's a dumb system.

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
Mike, I really hate to burst your bubble here, and I'm laughing so hard, I'm in tears. I should really use this to leverage something, but I am hurting inside with laughter.

infinite is not female.

Oh darn! I'm screwed! But what's with the washing and cleaning? Does infinite own a laundry/dry cleaning store or what?

Cheers!

[edit on 16-5-2009 by mikesingh]

Now Y'all know half a dozen states are going fer "New" Marriage Laws...

Look out Infinite!!! Really!!!





BTW: Applications fer Super Mod's?

[edit on 5/16/2009 by Hx3_1963]

Good work as usual S.O.
I'm not a thread starter, so won't ever get past novice.
But at least I know when I reach novice level, that I'm a professional novice.

[edit on 16-5-2009 by Flighty]

I am slightly perturbed by this - not enough to put me off my tea mind you! I'll be honest, I just don't feel like a "Novice". OK, I don't post hundreds of threads and I haven't received much applause but I do contribute fairly regularly and try to keep the quality up. It just doesn't sit well being a "noob".

It feels as though the calculations are biased, but then again, maybe that is because I am being biased.

Ahh well... I guess I shouldn't lose any sleep over it.

hmm...

Maybe add one more category, for us lurkers, who like to read, have been here a fair amount of time but don't post that oten.

I'd excel in THAT category. But there's also potential for abuse, so I guess it's a no go.

Anyway nice change, looks decent.



(eesh my points to posts ratio is atrocious!)

[edit on 16-5-2009 by Nola213]

BTW: I'd probably (?) have like a Quint-Trillion (points) on/off the NAU Flu & Stock Market Threads I post on, but, as the "action" is "fast", and many are "holding" their breaths...I often post up to 10-20 times in the "same" post (Editing/Updating to maximum charactor limits)...and get "nothing" out of it, sooo...

Just think about how I feel...IF hitting the "reply/enter" key each time I "actually" entered "Info" was counted...

Edit: Can Mod's "actually" count "hits" on a thread or a single post?!?

Hmmm...

If any Mod's are up to this question, my U2U is always open!

~Shazam~



[edit on 5/16/2009 by Hx3_1963]

Absolutely this current style is better. Phew! I had hard time guessing what were those color bars. At least it's clearer now.

What's next?

I like it

(Too short apparently)

Hi,

I appreciate the quick action to include a 'reward' of sorts for gaining applause but now i 'see' ( perhaps not surprisingly?? ) a very direct value judgement of individuals are being made based on what the ATS moderators consider to worthy of applause. As it is my experience that i received applause mostly for being 'nice', endlessly replying to what i consider misinformation or ignorance, and my extensive source spamming ( it does LOOK impressive if you post 50+ extracts from sources in just one thread) thus leading me to believe that it is a mistake to attempt to tell visitors or members how smart ATS Staff thinks a member is based on what they chose to applaud.

Perhaps this direct intelligence/knowledge judgement can be substituted for a tag that better clarifies that this is a direct staff appreciation measurement? I originally suggested ( well in this thread which isn't very 'official') that the applause be seen as something akin to flags only carrying more weight given the direct participation of ATS selected staff members. A equivalency system where a applause is worth say 10-20 flags could easily be integrated in a 'content' valuation system but as it stands now i feel you have not fixed the original problem and created another inaccurate ( and perhaps even more insulting) valuation!

In 'conclusion' i do think there is merit in trying to encourage certain methods of participation, and 'ranking' members, over other but obviously if this is implemented wrong or based on the wrong valuations the results will be counterproductive if not destructive.

Good luck.

Stellar

EDited for spelling

[edit on 16-5-2009 by StellarX]

Would the term 'Veteran' be acceptable for long-time members who have the right amount of posts and stars but are short on flags? Possibly there could be a minimum number of points too.

You might even get Veteran Bronze, Silver or Gold members.

As some people object to being 'Novices' would 'Rookie' be more acceptable - and sort of in keeping with the 'Veteran' idea.

I haven't yet thought of an alternative for 'Solid' although I tend to agree with Whaa's sentiment on that title

Edit to suggest 'Cadet'

[edit on 16-5-2009 by berenike]

Originally posted by jkrog08
reply to post by SonicInfinity

 

I don't "post for points", I don't know if you have ever read any of my threads(probably not, but I could be wrong) but if you did you will see that I am not going to take the time to make those for points of non monetary value. I post, like most other members because I want to share information, like the 2nd line in my mini profile says "The truth is out there".

[edit on 5/15/2009 by jkrog08]

WELL SAID!!!

I am reading about how some members think other members will now be more "elite" - WELL - everybody needs to STOP for a moment!

Let's think about this whole thread argument and where it is going.....

First - if people who do have a "higher" status - as put by others - do you REALLY think their higher status label will lead them to feel more superior to others?

NO - think about this site - THINK about what threads are about - threads are about TRUTH or what is going on - trying to uncover what is going on - everyone here on ATS - already know - about the "elite" of the world is BS! NO ONE is better than ANYONE ELSE PERIOD! Maybe people with a higher contributor rank - is because they put more threads or out TRY TO WAKE PEOPLE UP! I can tell you - the "status" means NOTHING to me - what MEANS something is PEOPLE WAKING UP AND LEARNING THE TRUTH!

Second - ALL of us have to deal with the "Elite" off ATS - here we try to combat the "elite" - NO ONE is "elite" here to any other member!

Let's not take this so far down - just as MSM tries to keep us distracted all the time - let us all NOT be distracted by taking this conversation down to the lowest level "who is over who and Bi-ching about it"!

Please - let's focus on what is important and not arguing who has what.
I would have no problem being a "Novice" - why - as LONG as I am doing what I feel I need to do and ATS gives me/us the outlet to do it - which is getting information out - that helps US ALL! IT is NOT about status here - it is about TRUTH!

Please everyone remember that - don't worry about what "status" we each are - it does not matter in the long run - what does matter is all of us continuing to bring out what is happening and discussing it.


LETS NOT focus on what each other has - lets stay focused on what is happening in this world right now - and what we need to do to help each other with information, waking others up, surviving what is coming, disclosure of UFO"s and overall trying to expose the A%% H--es who are doing what they are doing to the world and ALL OF US!

Sorry, I can be long winded sometimes - also remember - this system was simply to reward members - so everyone can aspire to create better threads and enlighten each other about truths and after all - it is each of us members who have given each other this placement. But it is NOT about placement - let's keep that focus - lets keep bringing out what is happening and informing each other about truths!




[edit on 16-5-2009 by questioningall]

Some members already think they are superior to others.
Nothing surprising in this, it's called life.
Some people have an over inflated opinion of themselves, some people have a low opinion of themselves.

Those that think themselves superior will use this as proof.
The majority of us don't really care.
My opinions of other members has been built up over the nearly 2 years I have been a member, no amount of points will change my opinion.

I personally start very few threads and prefer to contribute to other people's.
A conscious decision and I have no problem about my lack of status etc.
I don't visit ATS to become some sort of elitist visionary.
I come here to learn, share, debate and at times let off steam and possibly, just possibly make some friends along the way.
Of course I hope people respect me for what I offer as a member, but if not, well, so be it.

However, I do think that some long serving and consistent contributors of quality threads / posts deserve some sort of recognition.
This probably goes some way in providing that.

reply to post by riddle6


I think I got your point this time and can see your side. I'm with Majic on this one and I don't really care what level I am at, as long as the term used is accurrate. In my case, and many others, 'Novice' is obviously wrong, in other cases it would seem fair enough, there should just be a way to differentiate between someone who said his piece, as it were, before stars and flags were introduced and someone who is making a good start. I admit I would not know how to do that (unless someone wants to go back and star and flag my better threads ) so the staff need to be allowed to find a way, I just wanted to make sure the point had been raised.

reply to post by Blue_Jay33


So it would seem, I think its its because most of my major threads which were essay like and highly researched predate the flagging system and now I tend only to reply and the replies can draw applause, but cannot be flagged. Is that right? Otherwise I'm just

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
Clearly, you've either misunderstood my rather detailed explanation, or refuse to acknowledge it for the purpose of generating fodder for argument.

Both of those are dead wrong, so it isn't all that clear. I'm not the only person who has posted in this thread detailing our reasons for why we think the way you have made this system isn't a very good one. I don't believe any of them, and certainly not myself are trying to make an arguement, what we're actually doing is trying to make a dialogue to talk to you about what we think about the system.

I now also have to chime in with the people saying that the newly added applause system isn't so great. It makes massive assumptions about why applause was given out. You know where my applause has come from? I've been appluaded for apologising to 2 members when I got a bit out of hand and re-evaluated my position whilst taking a step back, the other one was too long ago to rememebr the reason for. That as you can see, clearly, doesn't reflect the intent behind the kind of appluaase that you are expecting to be given out to work in tandem with your applause ranking system.

It's true that you cannot have a system that pleases everybody all of the time, but I think you need to actually take an appreciation of how people view your actions. You know what your intent was behind your systems and you have your reasons for why you think it's correct. You cannot possibly expect us all to go 'Yay, thanks SO, this is AWESOME!' and not to raise counterpoints of our own if we don;t agree.

I appreciate you listening to us and adapting your actions (i.e. your inclusion of the (IMO flawed) applause system, but I don;t think your really taking on board how we see things, just the way you think we should see them.

I can imagine you sitting there scratching your head as to why we don;t agree with you and doing some tinkering expecting us to just go away or agree. I feel that as with the length requirements for posts that you tried out, that you're listening to us talk but then disregarding what we say becuse you don't think we should see it that way.

ATS is a wonderful site, I have learned a great deal. There are people with real insight here, and a bunch of wackos. Your heart is in the right place rewarding people for their contributions, but you're not taking into account what their contributions actually are, or how they were intended. Personally I don;t think there is a metric to calculate depth of meaningful contributions, so I'm all for returning to the mystery bars that I never understood and as such wasn't overly fussed about.

For my part, I'd rather have no badges or lines under my name at all rather than seeing all my posts accompanied by the word 'Novice'.

Apologies for this ridiculously long post, but I was a tad worse for wear last night and feel more able to articulate things this morning. I love ATS and most of the staff do an excellent job for people that are donating their time and skills for free. I love that you want to give memebrs a sense of achievement, but I cannot agree with the way you are doing it...

How come my sideline doesn't say what I am?

just a member? *cries