This Makes Me Sick To My Stomach With Rage!!!

reply to post by ldyserenity


This thread isnt about the death penalty and I'm at pains to derail it further but 2 things:

1. We will never agree. I cannot understand a logic that says killing is wrong, so kill.
2. If what you're talking about is prevention from further murders, then the real prevention would be to stop people from becoming murderers in the first place. No-one wakes up and says: "I fancy becoming a murderer today". It is circumstance and society that selects murderers, not inidividual choice.

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet

Only if you are a criminal should you have to worry about being beat up on by the cops. The best thing to do if you are approach by the cops is 1.) Shut the hell up and answer with short questions. 2.) if they are going to detain you go willingly and call you a good lawyer, if you are innocent then why worry it is probably a misunderstand.

That is soooo not true. You've obviously never lived in Oklahoma. Here you can get busted for something that isn't even illegal. Yeah, they'll probably throw it out of court later after you've spent several thousand dollars, lost your job, etc. but they don't pay your medical bills from the smack down they give you illegally and for no reason even if it's shown they're clearly in the wrong.

We had an officer kill a 5 year old child not 5 miles from my house. He was shooting a snake out of a tree, missed, the bullet traveled and killed a child who was sitting next to his grandpa fishing. Cop got transferred to Purcell, Oklahoma where he continues to protect and serve.

reply to post by whitewave


WOW, if this story is true that is total BS that cop should have gone to jail for murder, Hence laws why you can not discharge a firearm in the city. I live in Cincinnati, and trust me when I tell you this some of the cops here are true ass-clowns. I nod m head and smile at them, and if I am falsely arrested there are dozens of lawyers in the tri-state who drool to go efter the police here.

reply to post by poedxsoldiervet

Maybe after a half hour of chasing this guy, the officer thought, what if he attempts to get and run again or even worse go for my gun? A good kick to the head will deter that.

You guys were not there you have no idea what that type of situation is like, I believe the cop showed considerable restraint under the circumstances.

The reality of the situation is you have a suspect who has led you on a chase, the chase is over and the suspect has surrendered himself in the prone position with arms and legs spread wide. The cop in question is less than five feet away with his semi-auto service weapon holding steady on the suspect a second officer is closing rapidly with multiple others including a K-9 unit. The suspect is cornered by residential property walls. the chance of any possible threat caused by the suspect at this point is extremely low.

Rather than simply move to the arrest the fasted cop in the bunch decides to blast the suspect in the face with his duty boot, it was unnecessary and only served to vent the frustration and adrenaline of the chase. It had no bearing on public or officer safety.

I understand you some of you think that after a hard chase the cop deserves a chance to beat the suspect, he has earned it.

I do not agree. I believe in the process of law, and even though I suspect this guy is guilty of something. I believe that the punishment for any convictions should only be determined by a judge.

Originally posted by jjkenobi
The guy commits a crime, then flees in a high speed chase endangering the cops and every person on the road, causes public property damage, finally gets cornered and thinks he can just lay down and nothing will happen to him? All the stuff the perp did and the cop makes you sick to your stomach??? It does not surprise me that you linked from the huffingtonpost.

oh...your right...that cop should have just kept kicking and kicking, and right on the head too...because if the skull was cracked and brain tissue damaged, that guy would never cause anybody anymore problems. and that is what we need to do to these people right? i mean what..do these criminals actually think the police will just handcuff and take them to jail??
what..are you crazy? and leave the punishmment up to some stupid court? no way!! this is america and the cops have a right to punish criminals anyway they want to. a few steel-toed booted kicks is mandatory for frustrated cops. it's in the manuals, look it up.

reply to post by Jenna


i don't understand - what's so wrong about typical ads??

i don't see anything that violated T&C, unless you saw some porn ads on there

anyway, at least they caught that jerk on camera kicking the surrendering suspect - at least there's evidence!

reply to post by jimmyx


nice one jimmy!

[edit on 14-5-2009 by adrenochrome]

People just have to start 'getting it!'

only treat any cop now with basic civility.

Do not give extra respect to any cop..just because he is a cop any longer. If spoken to by one, be direct and only speak within the law as necessary, nothing more.

Until THEY realize that they work for US as an entire group, NONE should be treated (on or off duty) as anyone SOCIALLY above anyone else in any way.

They need a lot of work on their community and PR and need to be reminded of WHERE their paycheques come from.

This Nazi behavior has become rampant and must not be tolerated any further.

[edit on 14-5-2009 by suzque66]

It seems like about once or twice a month there is a new post on here about police brutality.

There is a lot of emotion involved where police do their job. I personally can't imagine the stressful conditions that police preform under day in and day out.

Yes this is brutality. The officer involved needs to get help. Perhaps he needs to find a different vocation.

With the number of video cameras around today I think that the number of cases of police brutality recorded is so few.

So, my hats off to all those officers who can apprehend the bad guys and don't make it on the news for kicking them in the head (even if they feel like the criminal needs a good kick in the head)

A few bad apples should not tarnish the reputations of all the law enforcement personnel who do their jobs correctly.

Originally posted by 0010110011101
Hmmm, so because someone does something wrong, it's OK to kick them in the head, torture and beat them, even kill them?

Do people still not see the irony in the death penalty? "We" think killing is wrong, so we're going to execute you?

This planet really has no hope does it.

Nope, we as a species are going to go extinct, and in my opinion, it can't come soon enough. We've had plenty of time and opportunities to get things right, and live in harmony with the world and the universe, but instead, we choose to remain disconnected, selfish, and destructive to no end. Things will come full circle one day, and we will ultimately see the error of our ways, and in that last minute we will feel regret like never before. But by then, it will be too late.

The policeman is probably pissed because he made him run after him, isnt there perodical fitness tests, like in the uk for the the police?

reply to post by poedxsoldiervet


Here's an article about the incident. There are many other articles but people around here have not forgotten what happened and that an innocent lost his life because of a stupid cop. I could tell you literally dozens of stories of rogue cops in Oklahoma but I don't want to derail.

article

The guy commits a crime, then flees in a high speed chase endangering the cops and every person on the road, causes public property damage, finally gets cornered and thinks he can just lay down and nothing will happen to him? All the stuff the perp did and the cop makes you sick to your stomach??? It does not surprise me that you linked from the huffingtonpost.

Was it YOUR property? Was it YOU that was endangered? It JUST property...things, STUFF.

What country are you in that 'innocent until proven guilty' is non existent when a cop shows up to be a judge and jury for ya?

When you are pulled over for running a stop sign, I think he should have the right to beat the crap out of you......yeah, maybe your wife n kids too. He is GOD, no?


Anyone who defends this action..or any other brutality by police by saying ' their job is stressful' ...

then QUIT!

These same cops wouldn't tolerate someone freaking out at them in a Walmart line because their job is stressful or a DOCTOR or a LAWYER..

if YOU CANNOT PASS THE MENTAL STANDARD...QUIT!! Do not pass GO, do not SHOW UP FOR WORK and QUIT!!

[edit on 14-5-2009 by suzque66]

reply to post by suzque66


Never talk to police.

Part One


Part Two


Never, ever.

reply to post by ldyserenity


we're all lucky not to have to be brutalized by 'judge dredd' type cops. you talk about the stress level of the cop, but have no idea what the criminal did, or why he was motivated to act so dangerously.
maybe he had state secrets he was trying to protect from known dirty cops! it's a big, stinking world.
when someone gives up, no one has the right to torture them, and yes, a kick to the head is torture. get one yourself, if you don't think so. i volunteer if you need a punter to help you understand.

reply to post by SpacePunk


good video there!

i've known that i shouldn't talk to them, but that's just proves WHY!

i like how he said they use the word "interview", and not "interrogation", because he said that's what the Nazi's called it...

...good, so he admits it!

Well stay tuned ... its going to get much much worse than a good ole govt stomp down... I dont know what they are thinking these days - put on Uniform and ignore all we stand for.... well, it aint the first time around the bases here... I wish it was the last inning bottom of the ninth... but who the heck knows... the TV is more powerful than Truth - Evidence ... so I dont know what to tell ya... rig your house to make em pay... 4AM kick smash -- bang bang ... if the job is deadly who wants it.... ?

Originally posted by suzque66

Was it YOUR property? Was it YOU that was endangered? It JUST property...things, STUFF.

What country are you in that 'innocent until proven guilty' is non existent when a cop shows up to be a judge and jury for ya?

The guys actions are on tape. They have a tape of him running from the police, running stop signs and red lights, turning without a signal, driving on the wrong side of the road, driving on the wrong side of the interstate, speeding in a residential area, endangering lives, narrowly missing one vehicle and smashing into another, and then taking off on foot to continue running before ultimately being arrest on video. There is no innocent for this guy. They have it all on tape. That doesn't excuse the cop kicking him when he was laying on the ground and finally cooperating, but the guy cannot claim he's innocent of any of that.

What does it matter who's stuff it was that was damaged or who's lives were at risk? It doesn't change what happened.

A few years ago, there was a high speed chase that ended in my driveway.

As the chased man exited the stolen car he was driving (found out later), he wrecked on a steep grade road across the street that curved hard as it met the cross road T intersection. He bailed ran across the street onto my property. He looked at my place, the front door to be exact, as if he would attempt to try to enter and hide in the house.
My Bro-in-law was on the porch to see what up with the sirens, and looked at the guy and said "don't even think about it".

The dude then ran between the house and the neighbors. the side yards were not fenced, but behind both there is a 6 foot cyclone topped with barbed wire and woods/brush 10 feet within the fence line with brush and trees deeper, beyond the fence for a good half mile.

The neighbor is a very elderly woman living alone as her husband had passed a few months prior, and we were concerned that this guy might attempt entry to her home.

As the police, (three units, subsequently there was a total of 6 units before all was said and done), came to a halt on my property, the first out of his patrol car shouted for us to go inside.

Yelling back that the dude went around between the houses and we would not retreat inside until us or they confirmed the neighbor was safe from this now hunted man.

After a brief back and forth, the first went to follow the trail with sidearm drawn.
The two that pursued behind him did go to verify the neighbor was ok. Then, and only then did we agree to retreat inside.

By the officer, informed by my woman watching the perp from a back window enter the neighbors back yard and into the brush. ( the fence was anothe 10 feet or so past the clearing), and he returned to the front as the other two assured us the neighbor was ok.

At that point, he evidently decided he wasn't going to scout the brush and the call was made for a canine unit.

The three waited in front until the canine officer and his dog arrived.

He let the dog sniff the stolen car drivers interior and then the police dog began tracking the scent with nose to the ground, it's leash taunt in effort to proceed more hurriedly.

As the canine patrol was tugging back, he shouted a command and the dog paused. The leash was removed and the dog ran free out of sight between the houses.

Watching from the rear window, we watched the dog leap into the brush and within seconds, was upon the perp, who was hiding maybe 10 feet beyond the brushline, and the dog had clamped down on the dude and was flailing it's head back and forth in a death grip accompanied by intent growling and screams of fear and pain from the perp who was now the dogs prey.

In the meantime, the officers on scene had a short conversation with the canine officer, and they, still with weapons drawn strolled casually around the houses in no obvious rush to get to the dog's and the perp's location.

The dog was allowed to chomp on this guy for at least two minutes, and then was called off.

It seemed as if the dog was allowed this time as a reward.

Then, they crept in, and beat him with nightsticks so hard, you could hear his head crack from inside the glass window. Then they weighted the guy down and proceeded to cuff him there so his torso and face were pressed by two officers body weight into the bushes and then one on each arm, the officers drug the guy to the clearing of the yard, right through the heart of a couple bushes rather than between them to possibly inflict a few bonus scratches to the dude as well.

As the excitement wound down, two unmarked SUV's arrived. These were detectives. Two units left a few minutes later, one with the prisoner, and the two detectives, Canine and pursuing officers continued writing and talking for another 45 minutes, between and in and out of the various vehicles.Finally the canine officer left as did the last patrol officer shortly behind him.

The detectives got in their respective SUV's and sat there...and sat there...for about another hour.
Then, a third unmarked sedan pulled in and the three did more "detecting" from their vehicles.

After another half hour, the sedan left, and another 45 minutes later, the SUV detectives finally departed. It was about 2 hours after sundown.

In the moring, we checked out the hiding place scene behind the neighbors yard and there was a dried puddle and trail of blood into the grass of the yard and the leaves from the hiding place to the brush line were saturated red with blood in a fairly large radius giving the impression the bleeding was somewhat severe, with heavy smears and dropplets resembling a coat of paint.

So in closing,

It is not wise to flee from pursuing officers while driving a stolen car, and then run into private property in such a violating manner, and hide in the bushes of an elderly widow's back yard, especially around dusk.

Also, in the video in question, it looked as if the officer merely lost his balance and slipped, brushing a boot past the perps shoulder.

In light of the carnage that could have resulted going the wrong way in traffic and plowing into a car, showing intent to use the vehicle as a deadly weapon with complete disregard for lives of innocent commuters in this desperate and capitol feloneous manner, this criminal was merely schooled on the resulting consequences of this life threatening behavior.

I would give him 30 to life for attempted murder and decorate, then promote the officer for his above and beyond actions against such a threat to the community.

Maybe if and when this guy is released, he will think twice about threatening a community with deadly abandon.

[edit on 14-5-2009 by imd12c4funn]

Originally posted by imd12c4funn
Also, in the video in question, it looked as if the officer merely lost his balance and slipped, brushing a boot past the perps shoulder.
[edit on 14-5-2009 by imd12c4funn]

Can I suggest a trip to your local opticians?

That had to hurt. What was the k9 officer doing when he grabbed the guys foot..? lol It looked like he was trying to get the dog on him or something.

Seriously though, this guy almost kills someone at the start of the tape, he wouldn't have gotten his face broken if he didn't go on the spree, annnd maybe if the war on drugs was ended.