There is only truth here; skeptics of reason need not click.

Do we control our minds, or do our minds control us?
Do we watch our life unfold in front of us like some television show, or are we more of a conscious participant?

The only awakening one can find, is that of the "one".
To know who you are is the first step.
Even as such, when confronted with a different set of circumstances, "one" might find themselves stepping out of their role/character/self.
Upon necessity is where most human beings truly find themselves.
When we "NEED" to survive, is when we are truly enlightened to our true nature.
When all is said and done, we then choose to ignore or embrace what we have learned.
No one, has the right to judge another human being, because no one can truly know another human being.
You have no idea who I am!
You have no idea, of the extent to which I will go to survive.
You have no clue as to what I know about myself.
No one has any clue as to how far I have gone to become KNOWLEDGEABLE and Awakened.


The point is, for one particular group, to state, that "THEY" are in the know and the rest of us poor slobs are not, is a demonstration of true, egregious, ignorance.

The sooner every one of us realizes that we are not as separate as we think we are, the sooner we will all attain, a so called, awakening.

We are all human.
Nothing less.

How can someone one claim to be awakened and yet be sleeping deeper than most?

In my real life, I challenge everyone, to find out about themselves.
I help people by showing them who and what they are.
I give assistance to everyone I can, and resistance to those that act like asses.
This is how I try to help people.
I am no better than they are. We are the same thing. HUMAN.
I have flaws and I would never call myself perfect. I just think a little differently than those that I am in contact with on a daily basis.

Most would call me nuts if I really got deep with them, so that is why I pick and choose who I really speak to carefully.
As the author of this topic should do as well.
You never know who is truly Awakened and who is watching.

[edit on 14/5/2009 by reticledc]

[edit on 14/5/2009 by reticledc]

Originally posted by TheMythLives

So wait your a reflection in my mind. Doubtful, I would never conjure such a reflection... A counter weight no, more like...whats the word.... a knat...

That is very witty, sir. You have a great mind on you.

Not sure how... Your imagaination created what you just saw as false. There....
This is a compliment:

Sir, nearly every basic psychological concept I have mentioned to you you, you have dismantled it by fewer than 10 words.

And I stand by that assurtion...

It's really not, but you have the right to keep pretending it does.

You are yourself, and you came from your mommies... well you know....

I'm beginning to think that you still live in your "mommies" house.

Originally posted by Lasheic
reply to post by TheMythLives

 

Anyway, Regular People (without a mental illness) do not really need others, to understand themselves...

Wow... man... wow.... way to show you're not an irrational ignorant or stereotype-level bigot by insulting the cherished philosophy of multiple cultures, half a continent, of people. Do you realize you just called (at LEAST) half of Africa "mentally ill". This has got to be troll/countertroll by now. I mean, I knew you were a little slow... but I can't believe you'd just tie your own noose and hang yourself like that.

Hey, he knows about psychology and Ubuntu is flawed, just like every other psychological concept that I mentioned. He is also able to describe why in 10 words or less ... which is, apparently, his real depth of knowledge for the subjects.

Even if I was the one trolled by all this, I don't care. That comment alone was just.... priceless. I applaud you sir, truly. Either for your trolling aspirations or your perseverance for survival despite your handicap.

I agree; there is no need to insult the ignorant, however - they seem to take insults as gifts and apply them as compliments when need be.

Originally posted by reticledc
Most would call me nuts if I really got deep with them, so that is why I pick and choose who I really speak to carefully.
As the author of this topic should do as well.
You never know who is truly Awakened and who is watching.

[edit on 14/5/2009 by reticledc]

A quality post, but don't mind the troll. Interacting with him is merely an exercise in illustration for those who require an example of ignorance.

reply to post by logician magician


Me thinks another personality is taking over. The holier than thou attitude seems to be slipping. Yes please continue and become a dick so everyone else can see that you are not as enlightened as you say you are.

Originally posted by logician magician

Originally posted by TheMythLives
I'm beginning to think that you still live in your "mommies" house.

Originally posted by logician magician


I agree; there is no need to insult the ignorant, however - they seem to take insults as gifts and apply them as compliments when need be.

Please refer to the first of your quotes that I used. You are realizing that you are losing face so now the enlightened one is resulting to insults.



[edit on 14-5-2009 by Ant4AU]

reply to post by logician magician


When someone needs an example of ignorance, one needs only look to themselves.
That comment is not directed towards you, by the way.
It is in ourselves and our own ego that we think we have a "good bead on things", when in reality we know nothing.
Our society conditions us to live in a world of constant informational bombardment.
The problem is, all of this information is more or less useless.
Those that want to awaken must first realize that society as a whole, by it's very nature, thrives on the fact that we are more or less ignorant.
Turn off the TV for starters.
Do I really need to know that "THIS TASTES DELICIOUS" or "0-60 IN 3.5 SECONDS" or "HAVE YOU EVER FELT, NOT SO FRESH?"?
Are we that ignorant that we need to be constantly reminded of things we all know are there.
Why do children run all around the house, when their favorite TV show is on, but stop dead in their tracks and devote undivided attention when a commercial for MCDonalds comes on?
This is the point.
Ignorance is all around us.
Even the awakened can be ignorant to themselves.

[edit on 14/5/2009 by reticledc]

Originally posted by Ant4AU
reply to post by logician magician

 

Me thinks another personality is taking over. The holier than thou attitude seems to be slipping. Yes please continue and become a dick so everyone else can see that you are not as enlightened as you say you are.

Originally posted by logician magician

Originally posted by TheMythLives
I'm beginning to think that you still live in your "mommies" house.

Originally posted by logician magician


I agree; there is no need to insult the ignorant, however - they seem to take insults as gifts and apply them as compliments when need be.

Please refer to the first of your quotes that I used. You are realizing that you are losing face so now the enlightened one is resulting to insults.

[edit on 14-5-2009 by Ant4AU]

Is it an insult to live with a parent, or an insult that he is acting like a child?

I am merely pointing this out. One weighs his time, so far I seem to have used much of mine on a child when I made the mistake of believing him to be an ignorant adult when he is just a child who enjoys trolling others on the internet with hollow ramblings, like you.

In the end, we are all human and you have a skewed idea of what it is to gain a moment of enlightenment. For truth, there is no actor but the action, and no experiencer but the experience.






[edit on 15-5-2009 by logician magician]

Is it an insult to live with a parent, or an insult that he is acting like a child?

And actually, I do not live my folks, and how is it an insult to live with a parent? You could help them and other things. Apparently, you are not enlightened or you would know this.. o well...

How am I acting like a child? The way you were acting was that of a scared boy, caling people names and what not.... yes that is very adult of you...

I am merely pointing this out. One weighs his time, so far I seem to have used much of mine on a child when I made the mistake of believing him to be an ignorant adult when he is just a child who enjoys trolling others on the internet with hollow ramblings, like you.

trolling? lol, thats bloody funny. I believe it was my mistake when I thought I was actually talking to a rational adult, turns out he's not
If you think this is trolling, than you are seriously wrong, we are actually trying to help you. From my very first post, I said that I can help you with the mistakes you made, but you thought I was attacking you.

In the end, we are all human and you have a skewed idea of what it is to gain a moment of enlightenment. For truth, there is no actor but the action, and no experiencer but the experience.

Actually, action needs an actor or their is no action and no experience if their is no experiencer. You have your bloody facts mixed up....

You have a skewed idea that you are enlightened.

[edit on May 15th 2009 by TheMythLives]

Originally posted by TheMythLives

Is it an insult to live with a parent, or an insult that he is acting like a child?

And actually, I do not live my folks, and how is it an insult to live with a parent? You could help them and other things. Apparently, you are not enlightened or you would know this.. o well...

Your response if based on a false premise.

How am I acting like a child? The way you were acting was that of a scared boy, caling people names and what not.... yes that is very adult of you...

Names? I've merely pointed out the fact that you are extremely Ignorant.

Do you deny that you are?

Actually, action needs an actor or their is no action and no experience if their is no experiencer. You have your bloody facts mixed up....

You have a skewed idea that you are enlightened.

There is no I to be enlightened.

reply to post by logician magician

Your response if based on a false premise

No its not.

Names? I've merely pointed out the fact that you are extremely Ignorant.

Do you deny that you are?

lol, thats funny. If I have to explain this again. You do not know me or anyone on these boards, so their is no fact. And yes I deny that I am, I have a lot to back me up on that premise.

I really hate to say it, but the evidence saying that you are ignorant are quite a lot. I hate saying that, but apparently you do not get the bloody point.

Evidence that you are ignorant:

1) The earth is flat, LINK
2) 9/11 was started after a janitor spilled a container of nanobots, (couldn't find a link)
3) you drilled a hole in your head and tampered with your brain as an experiment. LINK

There is no I to be enlightened

Because you cannot be.

Originally posted by TheMythLives

Names? I've merely pointed out the fact that you are extremely Ignorant.

Do you deny that you are?

lol, thats funny. If I have to explain this again. You do not know me or anyone on these boards, so their is no fact. And yes I deny that I am, I have a lot to back me up on that premise.

You deny that you are ignorant.

Thank you for revealing how ignorant you really are.

How is the quote?

"To be ignorant of one's ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."

You sir, are ignorant.



[edit on 15-5-2009 by logician magician]

reply to post by logician magician


I deny that I am, because I am not.

Anyway, this is over...

"To be ignorant of one's ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."

Could not have said it better myself.

Anyway, I claim this a victory.

TheMythLives wins this debate.....

[edit on May 15th 2009 by TheMythLives]

reply to post by logician magician


I see where you are coming from, but keep the second enemy in mind;
Clarity
It is blinding and forces you to never doubt yourself.

Don't stop, keep walking

reply to post by reticledc

In my real life, I challenge everyone, to find out about themselves.
I help people by showing them who and what they are.
I give assistance to everyone I can, and resistance to those that act like asses. This is how I try to help people.
I am no better than they are.
We are the same thing. HUMAN.

You sound like a total nuisance. Has anyone ever thanked you for the service? Go forth and resist yourself

Originally posted by TheMythLives
reply to post by logician magician

 

I deny that I am, because I am not.

Anyway, this is over...

"To be ignorant of one's ignorance is the malady of the ignorant."

Could not have said it better myself.

Anyway, I claim this a victory.

TheMythLives wins this debate.....

[edit on May 15th 2009 by TheMythLives]

I see that you are ashamed to confess that you are ignorant of what you do not know. How mighty is your ego! How hard is it's armor!

One day, as we, you will awaken from the dream.

"It seemed so real!" You will say to yourself as you realize that you've just woken up from a dream of ignorance. You will then realize that as you are awake, but so too, you will again sleep... the dream of ignorance.

Perhaps one day you will awaken to the human condition.

... Just as a frog in a well can not conceive of the ocean, neither can he who has never awaken conceive the dream of ignorance.

For now, dream the blissful dream of being awake, he who claims to never sleep.

reply to post by logician magician


You need to work on explaining the ideas and concepts within your society. Meerly coming to a forum to gloat about what you know and a group you belong to is ignorant in and of itself.

If you ever succede in hating the people around you becuase of the fear they cannot be saved then you have failed at undertanding. I love you as deeply as any god ever could.

[edit on 15-5-2009 by Wertdagf]

Originally posted by Wertdagf
reply to post by logician magician

 

You need to work on explaining the ideas and concepts within your society. Meerly coming to a forum to gloat about what you know and a group you belong to is ignorant in and of itself.

[edit on 15-5-2009 by Wertdagf]

I encourage you to re-read my posts with an open mind sans the assumption that I am gloating or claiming to be enlightened.

"A man may live long, and die at last in ignorance of many truths, which his mind was capable of knowing, and that with certainty. "

reply to post by logician magician


Who or what is god to you?

Do you believe in an afterlife?

Do you believe in freewill?


Here are some questions to awnser so we can get away from arguing over who understands what. Go ahead and awnser these simple questions.

reply to post by Kandinsky


Well actually I will admit at times I am a nuisance, yes.

I do however inform people of my intent before I do anything and ask them if they wish to proceed down any particular path with my help.

Am I wrong to not coddle them and tell them everything is going to be fine? Or is it more of a friend to tell it like it is and not sugar coat it.
And by challenge, I mean, offering people things to think about that the may never have come around to in the first place.
And yes I do get the occasional thanks, but that is not why I do it.
Mark my words, the people I have helped appreciate it in the long run.

Back to the topic, I admit that I am ignorant to a lot of things, but I try not to be. Would I consider myself awakened? In a sense, sure. What is it really to be awakened? To know everything, to be able to adapt to any given situation, or to flaunt your self indulgent superiority to the lesser of us?


NO ONE knows everything and anyone that says so is either delusional or completely ignorant themselves.
I would not trust such a person to tie their own shoes.

I hope this helps clarify and I invite further inquiries. I teaching myself how to type somewhat proficiently.

L8R


[edit on 15/5/2009 by reticledc]

Originally posted by Wertdagf

Who or what is god to you?

Do you believe in an afterlife?

Do you believe in freewill?


Here are some questions to answer so we can get away from arguing over who understands what. Go ahead and answer these simple questions.

1) A God can be anything, given the axiom that it is unrestricted... and the domain of the restricted is part of the unrestricted. It may or may not be restricted and/or unrestricted...

2) I'll answer this with my own question: Do you believe an a beforelife?

3) We're all puppets, Wertdagf. It's just that some of us can see the strings.