Alien giants land in russia - fantastic ufo/et evidence

reply to post by Jim Scott


Good point, but i guess the skeptics will say that the astronaut cant be trusted as credible, but he can be trusted to fly a multi million dollar machine into out of space, or that the president who saw a craft is not credible enough to be trusted but can run a country, or pilots can be trusted to fly with deadly weapons and hundreds of passengers but what they report seeing can not be trusted.
The fact is that there is more chance of aliens/ets existing than not.. the universe is to big and your just bs-ing yourself if you think its just us ,,,i mean really.

Make there own thread?

This topic has been on ATS 4 to 5 times now since I have joined.

Dont people use the search button anymore?

Originally posted by elijahspirit

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by elijahspirit

 

Please provide evidence that the area was cordoned off and samples were taken by the government.

I can't find any statements to that effect.

FIND ME EVIDENCE IT WASNT CORNERED OFF!!!!!!! GO ON!

PROOVE TO ME THESE PEOPLE ARE LYING!!!

Stop shouting

i am not attacking anyone

all i am saying is that aliens and ufos are real

i have a ton of stuff here

www.youtube.com...

videos of aliens and ufos there

plus plejaren/pleadian teachings

www.plejarenspirit.blogspot.com...


all the best

i have finished for today now
but i long for a day where skeptics realise their game is over!
being a skeptic of ufos is a mental illness, i have and will always go by that statement

reply to post by elijahspirit


I don't agree with that.
(see the PS)

You know, there have been some good threads here on ATS, even about this subject.

The difference is that the threads that are presented and used as a way to provoke "thread battles" between "believers" and "sceptics", usually with little real data about the cases, are turned into a battle field (probably the poster's intentions, even if only subconscious), while threads well presented, with data backing up the poster's claims, are usually free of problems and the discussion flows naturally between "sceptics" and "believers".

PS: I don't trust anyone, unless I know them as trustworthy.

reply to post by Jim Scott


Not an astronaut. A spacecraft operator. A guy who helps with the ground checks of the ship before flight.
Clark McClelland

[edit on 5/5/2009 by Phage]

I am sorry for useing the word skeptic instead of debunkers, i do realize there is a difference,and will try to address correctly in the future.
Just seems that as you are trying to debunk,,,,,, it seems to sound very skeptical... please understand were im comming from.
peace..........

before i go here is my question

would YOU trust a skeptic of ets/ufos in YOUR home????

reply to post by elijahspirit


A sceptic of UFOs does not make sense, considering that UFO means Unidentified Flying Object, and everyone knows that something that flies and is unrecognised by someone falls in that category.

I saw this broadcast many years ago on euro satellite news channels from different countries, then it all stopped and could not be found on a popular outlet again.That is where youtube comes in handy.

reply to post by elijahspirit
That's okay,
I caught your post anyway,
BTW,Interesting bit of Bass playing,(I play Bass too!)
Also I don't think there are many people
in this day and age, that doesn't think
that there are other civilizations in the Universe.
To forum,this post is in reply to a deleted post by OP.

reply to post by elijahspirit


Absolutely I would trust a true skeptic in my home. As I said in another thread, I rely upon skeptics to weed out the wheat from the chaff. See, if there were no skeptics -- people who require measurable evidence -- then we would all accept every single claim and video as factual. Skeptics are your friend, they make us better, they make our evidenciary process better.

I think this is an important bit of evidence Elijah.... I can't imagine a situation wherein a whole group of people would put themselves out there for the world to ridicule, just for that 15 minutes of fame (Andy, where's mine? I never got it...... NEVERmind) *

Elijah, I can tell you are passionate about this topic, as am I. I am not a debunker or skeptic or believer. Those are labels that tend to cubbyhole people into positions that don't completely resonate with their beliefs. I thiink you do yourself and UFOlogy a disservice when you start your thread with a challenge, and then label people who you presume will make that challenge. It's a polarizing statement, and we don't need to draw people apart, we need to draw them together.

Consider the scientific process. If a true scientist encounters a result from an experiment that is contrary to their hypothesis, they have no choice but to consider it, and value it as knowledge gained. If the scientist reaches a conclusion FIRST, and then attempts to create an experiment to validate it, then that is an obstruction of the scientific process. A true skeptic is like that. Noble, and wanting to test a system and see if there are PROBABLE alternative theories.

I have a feeling you're tired of the folks that stream onto any thread like this and scream "FAKE!!" and...... well, I am as well, because that statement requires no investigation nor does it include any evidence to the contrary. When somebody is able to produce evidence that leaves everyone -- including the skeptic -- to say "I don't know what it is," then that is good evidence.

We may never have absolute proof, and I don't believe that absolute proof -- proof that is universally undeniable -- exists. It's something we have to decide for ourselves, after measuring the evidence. After 30+ years of measuring evidence, and personal experience that predates THAT, I believe that there are EBEs, or "others" that are nonhuman. I can't know where or when they are from, but I believe. However, please never call me a believer. I still sift information and my sense of a believer is one who does not.

Good thread though, and it was interesting to read.

Consider in the future just putting information out there for debate, without the challege. That might well produce a more measured group of people to come in and really look at your evidence.

all best












*Andy Warhol, if the reference was before your time

reply to post by ArMaP


Well said. Wish I'd have read your response before I set out to type my own novella ArMaP You said it so much more eloquently and briefly.

cheers

reply to post by Phage


Something else to consider. As the Soviet Union began to crumble, TASS turned to tabloid journalism in addition to their legitimate hard news. Article from NY Times:

NY Times article on TASS report

Originally posted by elijahspirit
before i go here is my question

would YOU trust a skeptic of ets/ufos in YOUR home????

You didn't answer my question...would you trust a 'true believer' with investing your life's savings? I keep thinking of magic beans, here...

And let's remember...skepticism is intellectual caution...not irrational denial.

Originally posted by argentus
reply to post by elijahspirit

 

Absolutely I would trust a true skeptic in my home. As I said in another thread, I rely upon skeptics to weed out the wheat from the chaff. See, if there were no skeptics -- people who require measurable evidence -- then we would all accept every single claim and video as factual. Skeptics are your friend, they make us better, they make our evidenciary process better.

I think this is an important bit of evidence Elijah.... I can't imagine a situation wherein a whole group of people would put themselves out there for the world to ridicule, just for that 15 minutes of fame (Andy, where's mine? I never got it...... NEVERmind) *

Elijah, I can tell you are passionate about this topic, as am I. I am not a debunker or skeptic or believer. Those are labels that tend to cubbyhole people into positions that don't completely resonate with their beliefs. I thiink you do yourself and UFOlogy a disservice when you start your thread with a challenge, and then label people who you presume will make that challenge. It's a polarizing statement, and we don't need to draw people apart, we need to draw them together.

Consider the scientific process. If a true scientist encounters a result from an experiment that is contrary to their hypothesis, they have no choice but to consider it, and value it as knowledge gained. If the scientist reaches a conclusion FIRST, and then attempts to create an experiment to validate it, then that is an obstruction of the scientific process. A true skeptic is like that. Noble, and wanting to test a system and see if there are PROBABLE alternative theories.

I have a feeling you're tired of the folks that stream onto any thread like this and scream "FAKE!!" and...... well, I am as well, because that statement requires no investigation nor does it include any evidence to the contrary. When somebody is able to produce evidence that leaves everyone -- including the skeptic -- to say "I don't know what it is," then that is good evidence.

We may never have absolute proof, and I don't believe that absolute proof -- proof that is universally undeniable -- exists. It's something we have to decide for ourselves, after measuring the evidence. After 30+ years of measuring evidence, and personal experience that predates THAT, I believe that there are EBEs, or "others" that are nonhuman. I can't know where or when they are from, but I believe. However, please never call me a believer. I still sift information and my sense of a believer is one who does not.

Good thread though, and it was interesting to read.

Consider in the future just putting information out there for debate, without the challege. That might well produce a more measured group of people to come in and really look at your evidence.

all best

e reference was before your time

yes sweety but...... (and i apologise if your a bloke)....

did you hear the news last night about that huge orbiting `asteroid` (im convinced its a craft)... but it has been in orbit for ages and has been orbiting backwards and came pretty close in 1999, it completly defies the laws of physics as we know... you know the age old `laws of physics say its impossible so it must be impossible`.... yet nobody is talking about it

this should be a momentous occasion.. we`ve finally prooved that what people think are the boundaries of physics is not the case.. but no the skeptics push it under the mat and walk away whistling

reply to post by elijahspirit

Which laws of physics does a highly inclined orbit defy? Do you ever back up anything you say?


[edit on 5/5/2009 by Phage]

Originally posted by Seany

Originally posted by elijahspirit
the skeptics are fighting a dying battle

they know their ignorance and their denial game is almost over

You got bigger problems than the skeptics on this one

Even the Believers (myself) dont believe this

Please stop

Even the believers don't believe this! What a joke! This is a case with numerous eye witnesses including children, who drew their pictures, and police officers. The only thing is whether or not the government staged it. Thats a good theory, but you'd have to prove that one. So, the immediate answer when faced with an obvious case like this is, they're all lying or the government staged it!

First of all, connect some dots, put it in its place amongst much collaborating and relative evidence world wide, then look again. This is an incredible account.

Originally posted by mystiq

Originally posted by Seany

Originally posted by elijahspirit
the skeptics are fighting a dying battle

they know their ignorance and their denial game is almost over

You got bigger problems than the skeptics on this one

Even the Believers (myself) dont believe this

Please stop

Even the believers don't believe this! What a joke! This is a case with numerous eye witnesses including children, who drew their pictures, and police officers. The only thing is whether or not the government staged it. Thats a good theory, but you'd have to prove that one. So, the immediate answer when faced with an obvious case like this is, they're all lying or the government staged it!

First of all, connect some dots, put it in its place amongst much collaborating and relative evidence world wide, then look again. This is an incredible account.

well i dont think this guy is a believer anyway
he just said it is to make it look like `well if a ufo believer has doubts then it MUST be fake`

reply to post by elijahspirit
It is in an eccentric backward orbit,
as is Triton.
I do agree it's unusual though,
and maybe should have been seen much sooner.