Israel destruction in 14 days?????

reply to post by BigC2012


--- And if the flu wont take the evil out, there is always another measures:

Israel's Air & Missile Forces Could Wipe out Iran's Nuclear Sites

The detailed report compiled by the Center for Strategic & International Studies (CSIS) in Washington last month, complete with graphs and diagrams, has been reprinted in thousands of copies in Tehran. It is compulsory reading for its intelligence and Revolutionary Guards personnel because the Study on a Possible Israeli Strike on Iran's Nuclear Development Facilities concludes that the Jewish state has all the resources necessary for a successful strike.

www2.debka.com...

- Volunteer human shields, with me --- anyone?

Originally posted by BigC2012
reply to post by JanusFIN

 

He might have heard something about H1N1 having a higher than average death rate with certain Iranian presidents...

Too bad. Had he been ravaged by the flu, his country could finally have a chance to escape Radical Islamist Rule.

Originally posted by Night Watchman

As for the disrespect towards Israelis, I'll not do your research for you. It's a rhetorical question you pose since you have no intention of speaking up when some here speak ill of Israelis.

If you were of a mind to do so, you might have taken exception when one poster referred to them as "murderers."

If thats the best you can come up with for examples of disrespect towards Israelis. When you look at Israels human rights and UN violations, and the huge civilian kill rate in their self-inflicted 'wars', I could see why someone would call them 'murderers'. Sadly the percentage of actual murderers in Israel is probably quite high too considering the conscription and mandatory service in the IDF...

This thread is about Iran attacking Israel, although it seems obvious that its just more sabre rattling by the Israeli war media. If you want to call people pigs then thats up to you, I would point out that such action is hateful in itself.

Originally posted by andris66
who would u rather support Iran or Israel

Since your post follows mine, I think you ask me.

The problem is, both countries start with letter "I". I don't like countries with letter "I".

... No, seriously: I try to support human sense as good as possible. And luckily some honest and peaceful people can be found everywhere. These ones are the ones I support.

And what is this war all about oil or Religion?

What war are you talking about? There is no war between Iran and Israel yet.

But all wars are always about power.

Hey - we can do it - but... We have to do it now! ???

Report: Without Russian air defense system, Iran is sitting duck

WASHINGTON —Iran's current air defense umbrella is antiquated and could not stop an Israeli or U.S. strike, a report said. ShareThis

The Center for Strategic and International Studies said Iran's air defense network could be easily penetrated by the air forces of Israel and the United States. The Washington-based center said Iran's aging U.S.- and Russian-origin assets could not intercept Israeli F-15 and F-16 fighters.

- "But Bibi... There is still a small but"...

"Any strike on the Bushehr nuclear reactor will cause the immediate death of thousands of people living in or adjacent to the site, and thousands of subsequent cancer deaths or even up to hundreds of thousands depending on the population density along the contamination plume," the report said.

- But does it matter, we are talking about saving Israel, after all - uh?

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
reply to post by Siddharta

 

Sidd,

The link was posted earlier in this thread.. seriously.

Just to prove the point, here is the link to Presstv.ir for you.
Presstv.ir

Don't get me wrong, I am in no way saying Irans terrorist times is a valid source for news...at all, but it is a second source, none the less.

[edit on 5/4/2009 by mrmonsoon]

Yes, I saw that link, only cannot find this ultimatum of 11 days there. But anyway: It won't happen. At least not like this.

It was just an interpretation of a little journalist...

[edit on 4-5-2009 by Siddharta]

Psalm 83
1Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God.

2For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.

3They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.

4They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.

5For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:

6The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes;

7Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre;

8Assur also is joined with them: they have holpen the children of Lot. Selah.

9Do unto them as unto the Midianites; as to Sisera, as to Jabin, at the brook of Kison:

10Which perished at Endor: they became as dung for the earth.

11Make their nobles like Oreb, and like Zeeb: yea, all their princes as Zebah, and as Zalmunna:

12Who said, Let us take to ourselves the houses of God in possession.

13O my God, make them like a wheel; as the stubble before the wind.

14As the fire burneth a wood, and as the flame setteth the mountains on fire;

15So persecute them with thy tempest, and make them afraid with thy storm.

16Fill their faces with shame; that they may seek thy name, O LORD.

17Let them be confounded and troubled for ever; yea, let them be put to shame, and perish:

18That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

Text

www.bible411.com...
Quote from a Website above.

Psalm 83
Psalm 83 appears to describe an ongoing conflict between Israel and the Arabs that will climax in a final war in which Israel will win a decisive victory over the Arabs. Psalm 83 is a prayer in which Israel asked the Lord for deliverance from a group of nations that verses 3-5 show are united in a confederacy or league for one purpose — the destruction of the nation of Israel. In the 1950s the Arab League of Nations was actually formed. It united the Arab nations together for the very purpose of the destruction of Israel.

Verse 6 mentions some of these nations. Bible scholars and historians agree that ancient Israel was never confronted by such an elaborate alliance of nations, namely, Ishmaelites, Edom, Ammon, Amalek, Hagarenes, Gebal and the Philistines. Therefore, this prophecy must have an end-time fulfillment. These Old Testament territories are in modern times the nations of Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Syria.

Obviously the Philistines represent the Palestinians. Edom, Moab, and Ammon occupied what is the modern state of Jordan. Gebal is Lebanon (Joshua 13:5,6.) Iraq was populated by the Hagarenes or Hagarites that dwelt east of Gilead in the wilderness of the River Euphrates (1 Chronicles 5:1,9,10.) The Ishmaelites settled what is today Saudi Arabia and Ishmael’s eldest son, Nabajoth, is identified with Syria.

Lebanon (Gebal) and Tyre play a prominent role in Psalm 83. Hezbollah is headquartered in Tyre which has been heavily attacked by Israel’s army in this current war. Back in the 1970s the PLO had 6,000 Palestinian terrorists in southern Lebanon creating havoc in Galilee, northern Israel. Thousands more Palestinians were amassed in the environs of Tyre where Arafat was headquartered.





[edit on 4-5-2009 by The time lord]

Originally posted by The time lord

Psalm 83
Psalm 83 appears to describe an ongoing conflict between Israel and the Arabs that will climax in a final war in which Israel will win a decisive victory over the Arabs.
[edit on 4-5-2009 by The time lord]

I really hope that people can leave the bible and texts from 2000 years ago out of modern day politics. Is it not possible that people are following the bible, and not the bible following reality? I mean, the text was written first its not hard to get things to go to script?

I hope that modern USA and Israel can distance themselves from firebrand politics it only serves division and suffering and always pits one 'people' against another. Racism at its finest.

Easy way, NUKE IRAN! We save an ally, and no one is going 2 screw w/ Israel after there Ally (USA) Drops a bomb on one of the biggest enemies of the free world (Iran). See, easy solution, after a nuke, no ones gunna mess with USA, NATO and The rest of the free world.

Originally posted by BigC2012



When you look at Israels human rights and UN violations, and the huge civilian kill rate in their self-inflicted 'wars', I could see why someone would call them 'murderers'. Sadly the percentage of actual murderers in Israel is probably quite high too considering the conscription and mandatory service in the IDF...

So then, is it appropriate to label Palestinians as "murderers," because of the practice of suicide bombing? By the way, this is a "yes" or "no," question so let's try to answer directly shall we? And if the answer is "no," then please explain how you find it acceptable label Israelis as "murderers," and not Palestinians?

Secondly, could you explain your view of the Iranian Regime? How do you view the governments record of human rights; specifically those of it's citizens?

[edit on 4-5-2009 by Night Watchman]

Originally posted by Night Watchman

Originally posted by BigC2012



When you look at Israels human rights and UN violations, and the huge civilian kill rate in their self-inflicted 'wars', I could see why someone would call them 'murderers'. Sadly the percentage of actual murderers in Israel is probably quite high too considering the conscription and mandatory service in the IDF...

So then, is it appropriate to label Palestinians as "murderers," because of the practice of suicide bombing? By the way, this is a "yes" or "no," question so let's try to answer directly shall we? And if the answer is "no," then please explain how you find it acceptable label Israelis as "murderers," and not Palestinians?

Secondly, could you explain your view of the Iranian Regime? How do you view the governments record of human rights; specifically those of it's citizens?

[edit on 4-5-2009 by Night Watchman]

Sure, if you want my opinion on it (if that even matters in this thread).

I wouldnt label an entire population murderers no, thats silly. I would call their regime murderous, and in Israels case they deserve the label, murderers. Thats what they are good at, they get billions of dollars from the USA to develop their killing technology and are the worlds best at killing.

Like I said, Israel have the most blood on their hands, they deserve the title. I would label Palestinians murderers too albeit not very good at it. For this they try to emulate and copy their zionist occupiers but can't. If its suicide bombers yes, thats disgusting and murderous I wouldnt hesitate to condemn and be horrified I hate violence in general.



Oh, and your second point is a mute one. Who is anyone to point the finger at any other country, when our own (in my case britain) have terrible records of abuse toward minorities and ethnic groups and history show us who has the most blood on their hands esecially when it comes to empire and imperialism. I would say lets clean up the mess in my own country before I start buying into propaganda about how bad people are being treated in some far off land that shouldnt really have any relevance to me.

Originally posted by BigC2012

Oh, and your second point is a mute one. Who is anyone to point the finger at any other country, when our own (in my case britain) have terrible records of abuse toward minorities and ethnic groups and history show us who has the most blood on their hands esecially when it comes to empire and imperialism. I would say lets clean up the mess in my own country before I start buying into propaganda about how bad people are being treated in some far off land that shouldnt really have any relevance to me.

It is not at all moot in that this thread is not about UK or USA launching an attack on Israel or Iran. It is about a potential conflict between Iran and Israel.

You have made your feelings clear about the Israeli regime and I think it is relevant to know how you feel about the Iranian regime. Your answer was, of course, a non answer and I wonder why that is?

And while clearly the UK and US have issues in the area of human rights, are you suggesting that citizens of Iran enjoy the same level of freedom as US and UK citizens?

Originally posted by Night Watchman
It is not at all moot in that this thread is not about UK or USA launching an attack on Israel or Iran. It is about a potential conflict between Iran and Israel.

You have made your feelings clear about the Israeli regime and I think it is relevant to know how you feel about the Iranian regime. Your answer was, of course, a non answer and I wonder why that is?

And while clearly the UK and US have issues in the area of human rights, are you suggesting that citizens of Iran enjoy the same level of freedom as US and UK citizens?

This is the same typical mantra that has been used to justify countless wars, including liberating Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam that were sold as us going in to help people percieved as being abused and we are all so concerned for them while at the same time slaughtering millions poisoning there lands and stealing their resources. Its absolutely NOT RELEVANT to this debate how I think people are being treated in Iran. That shouldnt effect whether Israel should attack them at all.

I am sure there ARE human rights issues in Iran, but there are human rights issues in britain and in the USA I would rather they were dealt with before moving on to critisise a foreign nation thousands of miles away. Israel has broke UN resolutions regarding human rights continously, how come you aren't asking me about that?

Every country in the world has reasons to treat its people the way it does, sadly I think most do it to stop agents from our countries getting in and stirring up s##t and starting revolutions or coups and pillaging them by means of divide and conquer. Maybe we should talk about our good business friend China instead?

Originally posted by 5seawarrior5
Easy way, NUKE IRAN! We save an ally, and no one is going 2 screw w/ Israel after there Ally (USA) Drops a bomb on one of the biggest enemies of the free world (Iran). See, easy solution, after a nuke, no ones gunna mess with USA, NATO and The rest of the free world.

An educated reply, I applaude you
That worken in the past didn't it?
I mean, no one has messed with the US after they dropped a couple of nukes on Japan now have they?

Vietnam didn't bother fighting back.
Suddam just threw his hands up and surrendered.
Afghanistan isn't happening.

Wow dropping nukes on countries really does prevent other countries from messing with you.
Do you think that 9/11 was just an honest mistake by a couple of sleepy pilots?

This situation is like wrestling if I might respond. But more like a tag team.

In one corner there is Putin and Armenejihad and in the other corner there is Obama and Netanyahoo.

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
A news group in Germany has said that the Iranian chief of staff said Israel destruction within 14 days.

I "DO" know if it is posted here, it will be proven true or false by the untold resources available by the people here at ATS.

Sorry if its already been posted, but

here is a link to the the video and the transcript of the video.

Following are excerpts of statements by Iranian military commanders, from a TV report which aired on LBC TV on May 3, 2009.

General Ataollah Salehi, general commander of the Iranian army: The truth is that Israel does not have the courage to attack us. If we are subjected to any attack by Israel, I do not think we will need more than 11 days to wipe Israel out of existence.

Very different than the OP's article.

Sorry mrmonsoon.

[edit on 5/4/09 by makeitso]

Originally posted by BigC2012



I am sure there ARE human rights issues in Iran, but there are human rights issues in britain and in the USA I would rather they were dealt with before moving on to critisise a foreign nation thousands of miles away. Israel has broke UN resolutions regarding human rights continously, how come you aren't asking me about that?

I'm glad you are sure of that. At least you have some idea. Look a little deeper into what the little pig has brought about in his country. See how he treats women and especially homosexuals.

I hope you would take more offense to what he has done than you do to me calling him what he is; a despicable pig who cannot die soon enough.

Good luck to you.

reply to post by makeitso


My gut tells me that if Iran is subject to a swift and damaging strike that they will be resupplied by Russia.

Also, the Russian workers at Bushehr will not be evacuated. That means Russian casualties.

Iran can be resupplied from the Black Sea, no need to run a naval blockade.

What is to prevent shoulder fired SAMs from showing up mysteriously in Iran and Afghanistan.

reply to post by son of PC


My gut tells me that this thread is 12 pages of debating something that Mr. Ulrich W. Sahm twisted into something it was not.

As shown by the video and transcript I posted.

[edit on 5/4/09 by makeitso]

Let me tell you how I see this is going to happen.
First. Iran and Israel will go at it.
Second. The Talaban in Pakistan will see a chance to go into the Capital and seize it and the nuclear installations.
Third. India will not allow that to happen so they bomb Pakistan.
Forth. Its anyones guess what will happen after that.