Israel destruction in 14 days?????

Wow, one long thread of Israeli bashing.

The Muslims conquered the area known as the holy land about a thousand years ago. The language that Jesus is believed to have spoken is dying, because the Muslim conquerors made Arabic the official language, and speaking other languages in public illegal. Now the Muslims think they have the right to control the land forever.

If Israel goes in and takes out Iran's nuclear plants, no one is going to do anything about it. Russia isn't going to come to your defense, and they certainly are not going to mobilize a large army to march into the Middle East, and China is even less likely to do such a thing. These nations simply do not have histories of being able to project power. China has considerable problems with the Muslim religion, and the Russians have not forgotten that Muslim terrorists blew up a school full of children, intentionally killing the children in the school.

Amajihad will get no sympathy from the world outside of those who hate everything that is not Muslim. He has alienated the world. Iran would be best off to get rid of him. From my understanding, the public in Iran is turning away from Muslim extremism as pushed by Amajihad.

Originally posted by Night Watchman

Originally posted by BigC2012


The saber rattling all seems to come from those that want war, that want Iran attacked (I believe you fall in to this category btw considering the language you use to describe the Iranian president etc.)
and this is the hatred I point out. This kind of hatred that will blindly lead us into more war and millions of humans killed.

So you believe, because I express disgust for one Iranian leader then I am calling for War on Iran? I don't quite know how you would arrive at that conclusion. When I expressed disdain for President Bush over the past 6 years, was I also then calling for an attack on the US?

I'm sorry but you are wrong to make such a leap. I also wrote the following in this very thread:

Why is that exactly? I re-state that I believe the Iranian leader to be a pig. His country is filled with wonderful, intelligent and peace loving people. He is unworthy of his role. It is only a matter of time before the Iranians rise up against him. Of course if the Israelis are stupid enough to attack him, then they will become his biggest supporters as such action would surely draw the people of Iran behind this little bastard... Israel would be wise to let nature take it's course here. They should learn from my country's mistakes in Iraq.

Does this sound like I am advocating an attack on Iran?

Because I have said it is just my belief and opinion from what you had wrote so far, then yes that is what I thought. Careless words of hate that dehumanises the subjects, a classic Israeli tactic giving the excuse to bear down death and destruction on 'animal subjects'.

Can you point out where there is disrespect towards Israelis now in this thread so I know in future how to toe the impartiality line?

From what I have learned from my "Ancient book of knowledge it’s Iran who bombs Israel first. It will be a one day war and Iran loses! That’s the good part.

I have suspected for a long time it would happen in 2009-2010. I guess we will wait and see.

reply to post by CSquared288


Csquared, you mistake history for me. You mistake the lessons of history for my opinions. Whatever floats your boat.

If you'd back off from all prejudices for a moment, look at what has happened, and then why, you'll be surprised at what you can learn.

Those things I say, that I repeat, that I state, are those principles of the Masters of Warfare, proven without fail, since 1479 BC.

Call me crazy, but with a record like that, I'll choose to learn from the mistakes of others, as well as those principles that have worked without fail, regardless of nationality, language, millennia, or culture.

You can believe whatever Wickipedia source you prefer.

Originally posted by munkey66

Originally posted by dooper

Britain and the US with smaller numbers went through those same Iraqi forces, like crap through a goose.

Time and time you bring this up dooper and each time I will remind you that Iraq had been in years of sanctions after an 8 year war with Iran and also the first gulf war.
Suddam had no weapons because the US stopped giving them to him.

An angry boy scout troop could have beaten Suddam at the same time the US went into Iraq.
And as far as crap through a goose, there seems to be a little roughage on the way out because they are still there.

Israel and the US are currently playing good cop, bad cop.
Any attack on Israel will be well known in advance by both sides.
Iran will close the gulf with aircraft carrier wreckage blocking the straight and Iran will be labled the bad guy, US backs Israel and Russia wants to know if they can play to, meanwhile China will just watch and come in at the end like the US did in WWII and win the war for the world.
The end, we all live under communism pleasing our new over lords.

When you have oil in a oil hungry world, you get what you want. Don't be silly.

Saddam got his weapons from Russia. Not the US.

So the fact that the British and Americans went though this Iraqi military still is a valid point for comparison.

Sorry.

[edit on 4-5-2009 by dooper]

Mistake. Don't know what happened here to double post.

Wow, mention Israel and everyone gets butt-sore.

Originally posted by Ace High
OP - Check out this video. It appears this is where the 11 days comes from. The Iranian is saying that "IF" Israel attacks Iran it would only take 11 days for Iran to destroy Israel. It is not saying that Iran has an attack pending.

www.liveleak.com...

So if we are to believe the translation, 11 to destroy Israel, as opposed to 11 days from now. Something is lost in translation, which I do not know. So, a big, fat nothingburger.

I have not read this entire thread, so I apologize if anyone has pointed this out already.


The German news source is "only" reporting what Israels news was broadcasting to the public in their own country.

There was no interview between German reporters and Iran. There is only one source that is making the statement of this so called destruction and that is Israel itself.

I highly doubt there is any truth to it.

We could only hope that the entire "religious conflict area" of the planet would blow themselves all to pieces.

Imagine how much of a better place our planet would be without entire countries fighting with each other over flying spaghetti monsters and killing in the name of fake "deities" ....

Originally posted by poet1b
Wow, one long thread of Israeli bashing.

The Muslims conquered the area known as the holy land about a thousand years ago. The language that Jesus is believed to have spoken is dying, because the Muslim conquerors made Arabic the official language, and speaking other languages in public illegal. Now the Muslims think they have the right to control the land forever.

If Israel goes in and takes out Iran's nuclear plants, no one is going to do anything about it. Russia isn't going to come to your defense, and they certainly are not going to mobilize a large army to march into the Middle East, and China is even less likely to do such a thing. These nations simply do not have histories of being able to project power. China has considerable problems with the Muslim religion, and the Russians have not forgotten that Muslim terrorists blew up a school full of children, intentionally killing the children in the school.

Amajihad will get no sympathy from the world outside of those who hate everything that is not Muslim. He has alienated the world. Iran would be best off to get rid of him. From my understanding, the public in Iran is turning away from Muslim extremism as pushed by Amajihad.

You are working off of some dangerous assumptions here. I've talked to Russian servicemen before. Russia won't sit back and twiddle it's thumbs this time. The Russians seem to be of the belief that China is going to help them on this one. They take the US presence in the region as serious as a man with colon cancer does.

Perhaps I was lied to. But I don't think so especially when each Russian source was from a different region of Europa.

Georgia recently made a similar assumption as to Russia being a sleeping Bear. And now look at them. They're just trying to keep what semblance of a country that they still have.

The Bear feels backed into its cave right now. You can not deny that the US along with it's NATO sledge hammer hasn't fostered these sentiments.

If I'm right and Israel does attack Iran, once those two Asian powers unite and have done their deed, we will finally have peace in the Mideast.

reply to post by Ridhya


Ridhya,

You can take the most simple of principles, and twist them beyond all recognition. I'm talking about principles that have worked without fail throughout the millennia.

I never said the principle was pretty, pleasant, or would appeal to intelligensia, academia, or pacifists. If something works, without fail, throughout the millennia, then I'm more prone to give those principles significant weight, and ignore the newest, latest concept of group process.

Let me ask you this.

It's 1938, and even early 1939. Hitler at this time is all bluff and bluster. His military is insignificant, and much smaller than France's. He's making noise and making demands.

You have a choice. Nip it in the bud now with insignificant casualties, or let it fester until as we now know, the hesitation will cost some 40,000,000 lives.

If you move against Hitler now, move forcefully, and with resolution, there may be 50,000 to 100,000 dead. And it's over with.

So which is more humane? 100,000 dead today, or 40,000,000 spread over the next six years?

Is 100,000 dead a good thing? Of course not! But it's certainly more preferable than 40,000,000.

Your logic embraces the 40,000,000 dead.

And somehow I'm the one who's the idiot?

Hesitation is ruin. Always has been. Always will.

The simple things are only complicated by cowardice, lack of vision, lack of resolve, lack of principle, and lack of vision.

Let me guess. You've never locked up in mortal combat against another, have you?

I assure you, your lofty ideals quickly change, and you get right down to the basics.

reply to post by 3DPrisoner

3D, where in the world did you come up with the idea that Russia and China are going to march into and then through Iran?

Iran knows that if either one marches into Iran, they won't be leaving. And that, the Iranians cannot abide by.

No one wants Iran, although the Russians have had their eyes on this territory for centuries. And you think the Iranians don't know that? Look, just because Russia sells things for cash, doesn't mean they take long, warm showers together.

Israel doesn't want Iran. They just want to be left alone.

The US doesn't want Iran. They just want them to join the human race and quit stirring up trouble.

Your idea of the armies or Russia or China crossing thousands of miles is born of ignorance on how armies move. You have a complete ignorance of the logistics involved. You seem to think that these armies can just drive down the roads, where the Iranians will line up and wave as they pass by.

You don't have any idea of following an anticipated line of approach, strung out, over vast distances.

Do you really think they would be allowed to pass unimpeded?

Unimpeded?

They would never get within 500 miles of Israel.

That's a hell of a premise you have there.

Study Varus. Study Rommel.

And learn the principles therein.


[edit on 4-5-2009 by dooper]

Originally posted by mrmonsoon

Originally posted by Siddharta
I checked the google news over here and there is no other source than this article.

Checking for news I only find articles about the situation of human rights in Iran. Searching for Israel I get things like: Israel warns Obama to show weakness. And searching for that Chief of the General Staff again only shows this one article.

So we have a German journalist, who says that on tv in Israel the Chief of the Gerneral Staff of Iran announced "the destruction of Israel within 11 days".

Seems we are missing some context here. Otherwise there should be more rumour...

[edit on 4-5-2009 by Siddharta]

For what little it's worth there are "TWO" sources in this post.
N-tv and Irans own terrorist times Presstv.ir.

I am not saying either is a good solid sources, but...

I don't know about Presstv.ir (but also couldn't find the same message there, maybe my bad), but N-tv is a very small German News channel and the author mentioned is even a smaller author for this small News channel.

He has a very neat homepage, where he complains that the media report in a way, that people are influeneced to feel pitty for the Palastines and hate the Jews. You can find some recipes there...

usahm.info...

And he also has earned himself some attention. One of the first outputs of Google is "Ulrich W. Sahm lies".
www.mein-parteibuch.com...

I did not know this site before, but when I read his article, I had the impression that he sat there watching tv and thought, this was something, he could sell to N-tv and that he left out the important part.

Thanks to AceHigh we now know, he did:

Originally posted by Ace High
OP - Check out this video. It appears this is where the 11 days comes from. The Iranian is saying that "IF" Israel attacks Iran it would only take 11 days for Iran to destroy Israel. It is not saying that Iran has an attack pending.

www.liveleak.com...

Not worth to quarrel here with each other about feelings and opinions. Just someone, who wanted to stirr up something...

who would u rather support Iran or Israel


And what is this war all about oil or Religion?

reply to post by Siddharta


Sidd,

The link was posted earlier in this thread.. seriously.

Just to prove the point, here is the link to Presstv.ir for you.
Presstv.ir

Don't get me wrong, I am in no way saying Irans terrorist times is a valid source for news...at all, but it is a second source, none the less.


[edit on 5/4/2009 by mrmonsoon]

it looks that the whole thing is a big misunderstanding. the iranians said that they will need 11 days to destroy Israel when they will be attacked. and Israel is using that speech to threaten its own people and get the better polls results (it was in yesterday news that almost 70 % or so are supporting the idea to attack Iran). so I belive that the title of the thread should be:

WHAT IS ISRAELIS PROPAGANDA TO GET SUPPORT TO ATTACK IRAN

ALARM PHASE 6 ???

Ahmadinejad cancels Latin America trip without explanation

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has canceled a trip to Latin America scheduled for this week, Iran's official state news agency reported on Monday.

www.haaretz.com...

- Not a good sign...

reply to post by JanusFIN


He might have heard something about H1N1 having a higher than average death rate with certain Iranian presidents...

reply to post by 3DPrisoner


I'm sure the Russians have considerable nationalistic pride, and they deserve that which they have earned, but when push comes to shove, Russia won't be putting together some huge army to march into the Middle East. China, especially won't be marching into the Middle East.

Look at Russia's military budget, they aren't re-arming for a cold war. The Russians are mainly interested in making money these days, not in arming insurgencies.

The Middle East is slowly reforming. Radical Islam is already on the run. The war on terrorism isn't over yet, but the radicals are losing more and more ground, and credibility.

Originally posted by BigC2012


Because I have said it is just my belief and opinion from what you had wrote so far, then yes that is what I thought. Careless words of hate that dehumanises the subjects, a classic Israeli tactic giving the excuse to bear down death and destruction on 'animal subjects'.

Can you point out where there is disrespect towards Israelis now in this thread so I know in future how to toe the impartiality line?

I had harsh words for one person. Only the simple minded would attempt to make the case that those words can be extrapolated to mean I want war with Iran.

Are you simple minded? I don't believe so. Then one is left to question your motives.

As for the disrespect towards Israelis, I'll not do your research for you. It's a rhetorical question you pose since you have no intention of speaking up when some here speak ill of Israelis.

If you were of a mind to do so, you might have taken exception when one poster referred to them as "murderers."

Feel free to prattle on mindlessly as you have through out this post. It's I have no interest in educating the willfully ignorant.