Israel destruction in 14 days?????

There is so much trouble in the woorld..there is so much troooouble in the world. Everywere is waar, war in the east..waaar in the west..waar down south war up north!

Worst of all is that when i read the anti israel opinions i can find an excuse for it, i understand it and i suport it ..when i read the pro israel it makes me hate..and i hate to hate.
First and most important it shoud be about NO MORE WARS, this because it is the people that pays with their lifes.

reply to post by Night Watchman



The hatred seems to come from those that want death and destruction of Iran and Arabs.

Criticism of Israel isn't hate, its just pointing out how bad Israel is. All I ever hear is pro-Israel voices calling on death to arabs, mistranslating arab speaches and a general lack of respect for muslims in general. That is where the hate comes from.


On the other side we have people who point out all the terrible atrocities carried out by the great US ally of Zionist Israel and that is labelled as hatred? What is with this site. We know that Israel wants Iran off the map and we know that they will try to do it. All the macho talk in this room is just blurring the divide. Are we FOR war or AGAINST war?

History teaches nothing if you pay no attention. Israel and their leaders bask in the spotlight of fear and hatred and fall over each other to condemn the 'arab dogs' be they Palestinian or Iranian. This topic is way too over-symplified to be labelled along such silly religious lines but thats the nature of the beast.

Personally I would like to see Israel attack Iran and get a huge crushing defeat handed to them via russia and then see them crying back to the US for more money and bombs, its about time the world saw Israel for who they are, minus the foreign aid and media freindly spin.

Originally posted by Night Watchman

Originally posted by audas


The figure put forward by the holocaust foundation is 6 million - however questioning this figure will land you in jail (even though it is wrong) - in several EU countries - and it is this point to which the Iranian leaders looks when he raises the holocaust question -

You need to do some learning and listening.

You need to stop lying.

From the Pig's mouth:

news.bbc.co.uk...

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has courted further controversy by explicitly calling the Nazi Holocaust of European Jewry a "myth". "They have created a myth today that they call the massacre of Jews and they consider it a principle above God, religions and the prophets," he said.

I suppose he was misquoted once again. Poor little pig.

ahhhh - this is what a Israeli minister says he said - but you can run with that kind of fantasy if you want. I mean we are trying to point out how the Israelis distort the truth , that you should find out what has actually been said rather than just taking the Israeli propaganda machines slant on something and what do you dig up .......exactly that -

SNIP


Admin edit: removed unnecessary attack

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All of history is war, read it, thats all there is. Its the greatest tragedy of humanity it really is.

. Quite literally anyone who can not see what Israel is - im sorry to say- is thoroughly ignorant or agenda driven. Pure and simple.

If you do honestly not have some agenda behind your position, and truly think israel is somehow the victim 0 you have been stooged.

Originally posted by InfaRedMan
Unless this so called threat can be confirmed as coming from the horses mouth, then this is much ado about nothing. More than likely propaganda seeded into the MSM by Israel to justify an attack on Iran... or a poor attempt to garner back some of the sympathy stocks they've lost in recent times.

... and to all those pro Israelis flinging the anti-semite term around on anyone who dares question Israels moral integrity; if we look back on recent history Israel are the biggest anti-semites in the world having killed more people of semitic language than anyone else.

Deny Ignorance Indeed!

IRM

LMAO...sheesh I rarely agree with you IRM, but I have no choice but to here.

Israel has been in control of western sentiment for so long, IMO, that I doubt highly most people could even begin to realize the atrocities committed in their name.

Because I harbor negative-respect for Israeli Government and how they conduct themselves, does NOT = positive-respect for how the Iranian Government conducting themselves.

Where the "people" lose in any scenario is where I put my faith, with the people of those nations, not with the Governments of them.

AB1


P.S. dooper, myself being a 20 year retired vet, I'm apalled at your absolute disregard for human life (You think Alexander the Great had such a fantastic mindset? Where the hell is Ancient Macedonia now? And what was his downfall? LOL the persians!) I'm not sure where YOU trained pal, but you got it all wrong.

A form of hatred is to purposefully twist somebodies name into something silly or offensive.

A bit like those that purposefully twist the Iranian presidents name into 'I'm a dinner jacket' or 'jihad'. I see it in this thread so far to where somebody refers to a particular Iranian repeatedly as a 'pig'. Grossly offensive really and I thought I would bring it up as these forums are meant to have respect and courtesy.

Sorry mods if this is off-topic, but it seems relevant when the same people are complaining about the 'hatred' in the thread yet display most of it themselves.

Originally posted by audas


ahhhh - this is what a Israeli minister says he said - but you can run with that kind of fantasy if you want. I mean we are trying to point out how the Israelis distort the truth , that you should find out what has actually been said rather than just taking the Israeli propaganda machines slant on something and what do you dig up .......exactly that -

Way to go stooge !!!

The words I quoted were not from the Israeli minister but again, you don't care much about truth. It was from a BBC Report and they took it from a live broadcast.

Is the BBC now part of the Israeli Propaganda machine?

I am enjoying the fact that so many of you are demonstrating your true colors here. Any thing that refutes your worldview is dismissed.

You make it too easy friend. Luckily for you there are intelligent people who advocate Iran's position quite effectively. You should take a seat and let them have the floor.

Originally posted by dooper
Janus, I thought we went over this already. The counterattack in Gaza was to stop the rocket launchings, and while they had their forces mobilized, to address the tunnels in the south, while creating the diversion in the north.

Apparently, it worked.

And if recent reports are true, the Israelis bombed a few more tunnels.

Which was their primary goal while conducting a counterattack.

And that word "counterattack" is accurate.

Deaths of Israelis caused by rockets and mortars in 2008 = 23.

Deaths of Palestinians from recent Israeli incursion = 1000+.

Palestinian weapons used on Israel = home made unguided rockets and mortars costing several hundred dollars or less.

Israeli weapons used on Palestine = Tanks, planes, and guided missiles costing hundreds of millions of dollars.

Israeli land stolen by Palestinians = 0

Palestinian land stolen by Israel = The entire country.

Using the same logic that Israel is using, when somebody purposely drives a car into a crowd and kills innocents, we should retaliate against all auto owners by slaughtering a thousand of them to make an example for the rest. We should bulldoze their homes and business and make their families homeless before we can be sure they will get the message.

We should have bulldozed the homes of the families that brought us the killers at Columbine because they created a haven for terrorists who attacked us. Furthermore they provided the killers with weapons. Why do we allow their homes to still stand?

Originally posted by BigC2012

A bit like those that purposefully twist the Iranian presidents name into 'I'm a dinner jacket' or 'jihad'. I see it in this thread so far to where somebody refers to a particular Iranian repeatedly as a 'pig'. Grossly offensive really and I thought I would bring it up as these forums are meant to have respect and courtesy.

I don't see you rising in righteous indignation when others here have written disrespectfully about the Israelis.

Why is that exactly?

I re-state that I believe the Iranian leader to be a pig. His country is filled with wonderful, intelligent and peace loving people. He is unworthy of his role.

It is only a matter of time before the Iranians rise up against him. Of course if the Israelis are stupid enough to attack him, then they will become his biggest supporters as such action would surely draw the people of Iran behind this little bastard...

Israel would be wise to let nature take it's course here. They should learn from my country's mistakes in Iraq.

Originally posted by BigC2012
reply to post by Night Watchman

 

The hatred seems to come from those that want death and destruction of Iran and Arabs.

Criticism of Israel isn't hate, its just pointing out how bad Israel is. All I ever hear is pro-Israel voices calling on death to arabs, mistranslating arab speaches and a general lack of respect for muslims in general. That is where the hate comes from.

Since you have responded directly to me I must ask you to substantiate your claim that I want death and destruction of Iran and Arabs.

You made the claim now back it up.

reply to post by Night Watchman


I see nothing written disrespecting towards the Isaelis in this thread so far. Care to point out where and I may reconsider?

I do see a lot being said about the Israel government and military and they deserve every bit of disrespect considering their actions and attitude towards anyone not jewish.

Originally posted by BigC2012
reply to post by Night Watchman

 

I see nothing written disrespecting towards the Isaelis in this thread so far. Care to point out where and I may reconsider?

I do see a lot being said about the Israel government and military and they deserve every bit of disrespect considering their actions and attitude towards anyone not jewish.

When you decide to either support your charges (see post above yours) or apologize then I will answer....until then there is no reason to continue..

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Originally posted by Night Watchman

Originally posted by BigC2012
reply to post by Night Watchman

 

The hatred seems to come from those that want death and destruction of Iran and Arabs.

Criticism of Israel isn't hate, its just pointing out how bad Israel is. All I ever hear is pro-Israel voices calling on death to arabs, mistranslating arab speaches and a general lack of respect for muslims in general. That is where the hate comes from.

Since you have responded directly to me I must ask you to substantiate your claim that I want death and destruction of Iran and Arabs.

You made the claim now back it up.

Can you point out where I said that it was you who claimed death and destruction of Iran and Arabs?

I replied to you certainly but never accused you personally, unless you have a bit of a guilt complex going on there.

Originally posted by BigC2012


Can you point out where I said that it was you who claimed death and destruction of Iran and Arabs?

I replied to you certainly but never accused you personally, unless you have a bit of a guilt complex going on there.

If you responded to me, then it is a natural conclusion to think the charges you cite are aimed at me. Otherwise you could have simply posted without directing it to me.

Believe me, I have no guilt here.

It would help if you were more precise

Originally posted by Night Watchman


They seek only the destruction of Israel. Everything else is secondary. This is not to say that all who disagree with Israel's actions have that goal in mind. I myself have criticized Israel for heavy handedness in the past.

But there are some here and they are not hard to spot, who are driven by hatred alone. And a person filled with hate has little use for truth.

This is the quote I had originally replied to, in reference to your words on those here driven by hate. If you read what I say carefully I NEVER SAID YOU BUT MERELY SAID SOME on here expressed hate and they are the ones calling for death and destruction of Arabs/Iran. This you can't deny.

The saber rattling all seems to come from those that want war, that want Iran attacked (I believe you fall in to this category btw considering the language you use to describe the Iranian president etc.) and this is the hatred I point out. This kind of hatred that will blindly lead us into more war and millions of humans killed.

Maybe my reply was a bit confusing as the original point was to you when you complained about hate on here towards Israel, for that I apologise.

Now, do you care to expand on the point you made about disrespect on here towards Israelis? I couldn't see anything so far just criticism of the government and military so feel no need to jump to their defence.

OP - Check out this video. It appears this is where the 11 days comes from. The Iranian is saying that "IF" Israel attacks Iran it would only take 11 days for Iran to destroy Israel. It is not saying that Iran has an attack pending.

www.liveleak.com...

Originally posted by jean59
reply to post by m4ng4n

 

I am surprised that you do not know that there never was EVER a place called Palestine. The Temple Mount became holy because the Judians claimed it. Jordon was land put aside for the arabs and the Judians, but England gave 4/5ths to Jordan leaving a slither to divide. I live in Israel ( no i am not Jewish,muslim, christian, etc) I have educated myself on this matter and it made me realise that people are not interested in the REAL truth. I joined ATS because i cannot understand intelligent people who just repeat the same old nonsense , and i wanted to tell you to WAKE UP!!!.Yes i agree with you on Darfur etc, the Arab world is not interested because they want only one thing and that is the destruction of Israel. I have long been amazed at the closed minds of people, and the Judians have been persecuted for 2000 years - by EVERYONE. You say you are fed up with feeling sorry for them -DONT they do not need your pity. They are a strong , intelligent, kind generous, and amazing nation. They have been forged in the fire of hatred and envy and they have the love of the GOD of ISRAEL. They are OK it is the rest of humanity that needs help with their hatred. So don't feel sorry for them any more. PS.. The Gaza war was down to Hamas and one day you will all feel shame when the truth comes out, but then again they are Jews so i wont hold my breath. We will all have to answer for our actions and an EVIL TONGUE is the biggest evil of all.

I think you might be wrong...never ever did you say??
And by saying the Judians have been persecuted for 200 years...what do you call the treatment of the Palestinians now?whatreallyhappened.com...





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Originally posted by Walkswithfish
reply to post by Seany

 

Got a source for that?

A link to a new article or anything?

I found this for you if it helps.

I read this quite a few months ago.
pakalert.wordpress.com...


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Originally posted by BigC2012


The saber rattling all seems to come from those that want war, that want Iran attacked (I believe you fall in to this category btw considering the language you use to describe the Iranian president etc.)
and this is the hatred I point out. This kind of hatred that will blindly lead us into more war and millions of humans killed.

So you believe, because I express disgust for one Iranian leader then I am calling for War on Iran? I don't quite know how you would arrive at that conclusion. When I expressed disdain for President Bush over the past 6 years, was I also then calling for an attack on the US?

I'm sorry but you are wrong to make such a leap. I also wrote the following in this very thread:

Why is that exactly? I re-state that I believe the Iranian leader to be a pig. His country is filled with wonderful, intelligent and peace loving people. He is unworthy of his role. It is only a matter of time before the Iranians rise up against him. Of course if the Israelis are stupid enough to attack him, then they will become his biggest supporters as such action would surely draw the people of Iran behind this little bastard... Israel would be wise to let nature take it's course here. They should learn from my country's mistakes in Iraq.

Does this sound like I am advocating an attack on Iran?

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i know that its not in the subject but i heard the Muslims have a hydrogen bomb, and id like to know what is the radius of the bombs damage?