UFO Video London

Originally posted by FireMoon
Imaginereality..I'm sitting here looking through your typical bog standard double glazing window and the glass is nothing like perfectly *moulded* to give such a clear and flat projection. The imperfections in the glass are stunningly obvious at night where you can see every last little *bend and ripple* in it.

I'm not talking about double glazing, please re read my posts.

There is one thing that I noticed, the shape of the moving lights it's not the same for the lights on the ground and the lights of the UFO.

In the following image the lights from the UFO make a more straight line than the lights from the building.
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/4569aaa5f2e5f315.jpg[/atsimg]

In this the lights from the UFO make a more curved line.
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/504c739409265a00.jpg[/atsimg]

Considering that the lines are made by the movement of the camera, shouldn't they be the same?

reply to post by TravisT

Yes, what exactly do yo mean by this? i saw some of you describe that, but I was unsure what you meant. Do you mean that reflection normally are around 50-100hz, and solid objects are around 400hz? And what does this mean? Are you talking about how bright the light is? how did you guys come to around 380hz like you said earlier?

The power coming out of your wall sockets is alternating (AC) at 50hz. So a light being powered from a wall socket will either modulate at 50hz, 100hz or not at all. The lights in the video are modulating at about 400hz which is significant for two reasons:

1. Aircraft power supplies (including military) use 400hz AC
2. That would have to be faked in this video but I would be surprised if anybody would have the insight or power supply to do it.

Even advanced concept aircraft would be likely to employ 400hz inverters because they would still require a lot of standard black box components that require 400hz AC, such as gyros, navigation systems, air data computers, horizontal situation indicators, flight directors etc. It is difficult to get away from because even the devices that transmit information between the boxes (such as syncros) base there outputs on 400hz math.

In summery you would expect a light source on the ground being used to reflect off of a pane would either be powered by batteries or a wall socket and therefore be un-modulated or modulated at 50/100hz. These lights appear to be powered by the AC side of an aircraft power supply.

Originally posted by ArMaP
There is one thing that I noticed, the shape of the moving lights it's not the same for the lights on the ground and the lights of the UFO.

In the following image the lights from the UFO make a more straight line than the lights from the building.
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/4569aaa5f2e5f315.jpg[/atsimg]

In this the lights from the UFO make a more curved line.
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/504c739409265a00.jpg[/atsimg]

Considering that the lines are made by the movement of the camera, shouldn't they be the same?

This proves there is a good distance between the house lights and the object..

Remember in science class when you wiggle a pencil between your fingers?

reply to post by dainoyfb


What if someone used a sheet of glass and a light source? If they suddenly moved the light source, with a poor camera filming it would we see the streaks we have here? What if they used a stationary light source and tilted the glass?

There are many students living in London, they love a joke.

To all the people believing there is another window or its a reflection..
Please just LOOK at it, this is shot with an OPEN window.

You can clearly see that the window is open on the side and if it was a reflection why is the only reflection showing the 3 dots? and why don't we see other tiny reflections of him or other things in the room?

This is clearly an open window.

And to me this isn't an Alien spacecraft or something like that, it's one of those covert US Military ships, could be a new model that is similar to Aurora or TR-3B.

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


Yeah, but how would they generate a 400hz modulated light, and why would they? They would need in depth knowledge of aircraft electronics and then they would want to have to fake an aircraft rather than a UFO.

Edit for clarity.


[edit on 28-4-2009 by dainoyfb]

Originally posted by xetex
To all the people believing there is another window or its a reflection..
Please just LOOK at it, this is shot with an OPEN window.

You can clearly see that the window is open on the side and if it was a reflection why is the only reflection showing the 3 dots? and why don't we see other tiny reflections of him or other things in the room?

This is clearly an open window.

No one is arguing that it is an open window, please read the thread again as you have missed a great deal, or you have projected your hopes onto the thread

Holy *insert explicit language here* it like goes into warp speed at the end, great video... I'm 100% this is genuine, but I'm not sure why a black OP US supersonic jet would be hovering over a quiet part of London...

Originally posted by diamount
Holy *insert explicit language here* it like goes into warp speed at the end, great video... I'm 100% this is genuine, but I'm not sure why a black OP US supersonic jet would be hovering over a quiet part of London...

To play devils advocate. Maybe they were trying out a cloaking system either visual or radar. Maybe they are trying to expose the craft to the world so that when they reveal it as mainstream people won't panic and wonder where it came from. Maybe they are simply showing off to other world powers to tell them who is in charge. The possibilities are numerous.

The lights in the windows of the house across the street almost look like they are reflections from the object. If you just watch those windows the lighting changes to some degree particularly when the "object" zooms away

never mind lights are still there afterwards, must be the street lights

[edit on 28-4-2009 by PowerSlave]

[edit on 28-4-2009 by rapinbatsisaltherage]

NoImaginaryreality, you are missing my point... Cheap glass whatever it is fitted to or used for contains imperfections that are blindingly obvious in low light conditions and do not provide perfectly smooth surface to reflect back an image without it being pretty obvious..

To perform the trickery you are talking about would involve using a pretty thick and therefore non warped piece of glass that, would indeed, weigh a lot more than you typical standard window glass. The glass my turntable stands on is the sort you'd more likely, expect to be used. My turntable support is 2 feet by 2 feet (60 cms x 60 cms) and weighs an absolute ton..

Originally posted by dainoyfb
I'm still trying to figure out how a reflection would be modulating at 400hz instead of 50hz or 100hz. Nobody seems to be willing to speculate on that one.

The video has a frame rate of 3.192 frames per second, so counting the points of light that make one of the lines on the following image should give us a good approximation, is that it?

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/9371c6925873d6b4.jpg[/atsimg]

That is a good way of classifying the lights on videos, but if they were some LEDs used to fake a UFO they could be at any frequency.

reply to post by FireMoon


I'm afraid i, and many magicians would have to disagree. My friend runs a magic shop, he is part of the british magic circle. I have been let in on a lot of stuff (which he probably shouldn't have told me) and i can tell you that this sort of effect has ben used by many magicians. I must admit at this point i'm deeply pissed of my health and finance won't allow me to show this trick. I have never seen it done with UFO's in mind but i am sure it can be done.

The physical problems of holding the glass in place are small, the thickness of the glass is again a minimal problem. Getting the right speed of movement with the camera phone would be the tricky part as you would need the right phone and experiment with movement speeds. I can imagine it would take several hours of practice to get the perfect shot.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
reply to post by FireMoon

 

I'm afraid i, and many magicians would have to disagree. My friend runs a magic shop, he is part of the british magic circle. I have been let in on a lot of stuff (which he probably shouldn't have told me) and i can tell you that this sort of effect has ben used by many magicians. I must admit at this point i'm deeply pissed of my health and finance won't allow me to show this trick. I have never seen it done with UFO's in mind but i am sure it can be done.

Call up your friend and ask him the company that makes this glass, or the name of the glass. If he's told you, then we could probably find it on the internet. That would probably help us all out.

OK.. Here we go.. Some comparisons.. And I better get some stars for the effort..

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/ad0150240ac1.jpg[/atsimg]
This image is just a general view of my garden shot at ASA800 f5.6 in pitch black whilst raining (all images at the same ASA + f stop)

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/1e71f26a0df0.jpg[/atsimg]
This image shows a reflection of one of my garden lights through a double glazed door (same as a window just bigger). The reflection is not one of the lights in view on the right. It is further over to the right (approx 5ft).

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/f1834067ce68.jpg[/atsimg]
This is what the reflection looks like in close up. See the double image due to the 2 panes of glass?

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/a74bb91a944c.jpg[/atsimg]
This is one of the lights shot straight through the glass. There are a few spots showing due to it raining at the moment. Although you can notice there isn't any distortion.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/2f8371d3adb8.jpg[/atsimg]
This is a shot of my ceiling light in my frontroom reflecting off the glass of the door.. Again a double image.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/930bef380002.jpg[/atsimg]
And this is my alien cat drinking and wondering why I'm bothering doing this...

So there you have some of the effects of double glazed glass.. Although these were through a patio door the principle is still the same..

reply to post by TravisT


The glass tends to be standard. However please feel free to browse companies in the black country. It's 1am here so i won't be calling him I doubt they have a website but hey the black country is a fantastic place for glass Honestly take a look around the Black Country, come and visit erm sorry do i sound slightly like a tourist board?

Well anyway we're great for glass

However i don't think he used any glass beyond stuff that is readily available.

EDIT

I'm getting so tired of this i am considering buying a camera. Can anyone recommend a good digital one as i have no clue. I'm not well off so budget is an issue, cheers.

[edit on 28-4-2009 by ImaginaryReality1984]

reply to post by UKWO1Phot


I'm just getting tired of explaining this point of view. I don't believe anyone is saying it's taken through double glazing, some of us are talking about a deliberate hoax taken through one pane of glass this is attached to the plastic frame of that window.

If you cannot see what we're saying then i may give up on this thread as many people seem to be projecting what they think is being said onto what is actually being said.

Originally posted by UKWO1Phot
This proves there is a good distance between the house lights and the object..

How does it prove it? I don't understand it.

Remember in science class when you wiggle a pencil between your fingers?

Never done that in science classes, only in my free time, and I don't see the relation with this case.