UFO Video London

Originally posted by nerbot

Originally posted by Nola213

Sorry if this has been adressed later in the thread, but Steve Vai is an extremely famous, and talented guitarist.

He did all the guitar work in the movie "CrossRoads" with Ralph Macchio(sp?).

Errrr, it was Ry Cooder who did most of the "picking" actually.

Steve Vai did the "duel" with Ry Cooder doubling for Ralphie near the end.

Credit where credit's due eh.



[edit on 28/4/2009 by nerbot]

Didn't know that, thanks very much for the info. Yes credit where credit is due.

Originally posted by TravisT
reply to post by UKWO1Phot

 

Can you at least blow up the first image?

For some reason VLC will only take a snapshot in the original resolution and a screen print won't capture except a black screen (same problem I have recording NASA tv)
Anyway got around it but it is very pixelated..

I have increased the brightness just so you can see what I'm getting at (in the vid it's the same colour as the object) Between 16-18 seconds if anyone can get a better grab.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/15f4f14f99b5.png[/atsimg]

Well with the window being open , what looks like more than 45 degrees, I could see it catching the reflection of a bright light outside.

The window would have to be more or less on no angle if it's reflecting lights from begind /above the camera, like on his ceiling.

I's much like the Fairbanks 9/11 video, where the planes reflected image is seen in the windshield of the car, right in front of him. Because the windshield is bot flat, (perpendicular to the ground), but on a fairly steep angle. Same type of thing.

I believe the reflected light in the more than halfway cranked open window is actually the top most light of the supposed craft.

Because, it appears the same, shape/size. Also since the "supposed craft is higher, or appears to be higher than the cameras position, your getting a somewhat downwards reflection as well.

I would have added arrows, and angle degree markers to the Screen shot if it wasn't such poor quality to help explain what I mean. But the Screen cap is so poor, (not anyones fauly, the video itdrlf is of pooor qality), it seems like a waste of time.

I also think the majority of people folling this thead, understand what I'm getting at.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/3a2482fde4cc.png[/atsimg]

It looks to me he is looking out a casement window.

Here is an image of casement windows in case anyone is wondering.



The thing that caught my eye is that if he is looking out of an open casement window the outside of the window is actually reflecting the object in the sky. That adds some legitimacy to it because we know it was not lighted from inside the window and also that the UFO is actually a real object in the sky and not inserted.

Thanks for the zoom in actually because it is more prominent here.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/15f4f14f99b5.png[/atsimg]

[edit on 28-4-2009 by DaMod]

reply to post by UKWO1Phot
hi,
I did see that reflection you mention earlier,
and it does appear to be the same colour,
only much fainter of course.
I don't go for there being one object though,
even that camera is picking up enough light
from the sky to silhouette the houses,
so if it were Aurora for instance,
its silhouette would stand out easily,
Aurora is not invisible,so if you can see its lights
you can see the airframe in this particular video,
but there is only air between the lights.

I agree, that's why I said IF, as the sky is a consistent colour and I have also tried edge filtering and have noticed nothing obvious to it being a single object.

Although when I saw the refraction from the double glazing (casement) window it must be a definite object and not a hoax.. I only thought it was 1 object by the way it disappeared...

I've had a few stella's whilst watching footie so if my explanation are a little incoherent then my apologies...

Although it must be real as Phage hasn't derailed the thread yet...

I thought it was a great video,

but I'm just "window" shopping and not buying it just yet.





Note the double refraction of each light, this is totally consistant with Reflections on and through Double glased windows.

It apperes to me the window is open, but the field of view is so small that I just can't really tell if there is another window there.


but I can't dismiss it as a reflections just of that alone, I would be silly too.

as for triangle craft, I can see the sky , theres no obstruction there.

concluding therer were three objects each with two lights on that can move in sync with each other. which begins the assumsion game.

I then have to assume things.. like the control system of the ships can be intergrated together so one ship can control each in sync.

sounds plausable.

but really theres not enough in the video for anyone to make a solid assumtion.

still a cool video.

Trent there is also the possibility that the ship has a reactive surface (cloaking). That could also explain why there isn't anything in the middle. I'm reaching but no more than you.



P.S. Love Stella (to the other poster)

reply to post by UKWO1Phot

The chances are they are not a single entity, more like three seperate ufo orbs of the dumbell type.

reply to post by UKWO1Phot
I was also wondering,
if the reflection is one of the three lights,
which of the three you think it is?
P.S "The Stellas" was the name of my band back in the 60's.

reply to post by UKWO1Phot


I'm actually surprised phage didn't chime in again. He made a comment, I rebutted and then nothing... It's not like him. This is pretty well some of the best footage I've seen. Its really hard to solidly debunk because there's too much evidence that they are real objects in the sky. So this is a real Unidentified Flying Object(s). What is flying these well who the heck knows.

P.S. Good beer is the only thing the world can agree on.

[edit on 28-4-2009 by DaMod]

Sorry I am moving at a snail's pace. My boss is very nosey today.

I believe this "street light" is the external light source reflecting on the window frame. It appears during shakey cam section after "departure"@ approx :33. I still make no claims of the "object." It is tricky to catch screen grabs on-the-fly. I hope to rip the video later and view in Quicktime which allows frame-by-frame advance.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/d1a6fa8b7fe2.jpg[/atsimg]

Regards...KK

[edit on 28-4-2009 by kinda kurious]

reply to post by kinda kurious
Hi,
ukwo is referring to a small reflection on the open window itself,
not the frame.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
reply to post by TravisT

 

If he is a hoaxer wouldn't he remove all evidence? Sorry but hoaxers are often forthcoming because they've planned things out. The difficulty in deciding if they're genuine or not is meeting them and studying their reactions. That is where a trained investigator, or at least an experienced one is useful. If i were a hoaxer i'd remove any light source i used to create this hoax before i took the pictures you requested.

This footage was poor, as far as i'm aware no one has corroborated the sighting and so i must sy, in a city full of millions that this is a hoax. In London, even at 5am there are a whole host of people awake, if no one else saw this then sorry i must put it down as someone trying it on. The fact that there have been various suggestions as to how you could hoax this on a small budget also lends credibility to the skeptics.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

I lived in London for 6 years and London in NW10 might as well be Chipping Sodbury, there is virtually no-one around at all at 5 am..

It would be intresting to know if anyone could get a hold of any ATC tapes from either London City or London Heathrow Air Traffic Control to see wether these objects/object appears on Radar. Although I suspect MOD might already have them in their hands by now anyway.

Originally posted by TravisT
Well, if he did happen to use a piece of glass, then it would have to be just as big or bigger then the frame itself. I don't see any edges of glass. Again, I work with windows for a living. Do you happen to know how heavy glass is? If that window is a decent size, which it looks like a 30/50-30/60, then thats one HEAVY piece of glass(50-80 lbs).

Erm you're assuming he used thick glass, you seem to assume a lot in fact. I have used blue tack to hold glass in a greenhouse for a couple of hours whilst i searched for the metal clips i needed, this was quite a large piece. As for the edges, take a look at the video, the edges could be on the outside of the frame not the inside, that is how i would to it if i were trying to hoax something. It really wouldn't be difficult supporting the glass if i was going for a hoax. Your experience experience of working with windows for a living means nothing frankly. That's like saying the inventor of the deck of cards wouldn't be fooled by a magician.

Originally posted by TravisTI'm not discarding it yet, although, I need more information to do so.

[edit on 28-4-2009 by TravisT]

We all need more information and proving this beyond any doubt cannot be done, i mean it actually can't. I could fake something right now and some person somewhere could never e convinced it was fake. I remember a show back here in the UK that had a ghost night. It scared the hell out of a lot of people, including myself as i was only 6 i believe. Many people i meet still don't believe it was fake, even though the producers admit it was!

Look i can see how this would be faked, there are a number of ways which have been mentioned and as such i cannot accept this was something in the sky. My final problem with it is that if someone spotted something amazing like this in the UK i am sure they would try and sell it to one of the tabloids.

You can claim that not all people are like that but honestly, if i filmed something amazing like that and it was really there then i'd be straight off to one of the pathetic rags to sell it for everything i could get.

reply to post by kinda kurious


That cannot be the case. Here is why

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/cf89ef0194d7.jpg[/atsimg]

As you can see the roof is included in the reflection in the window. The light reflected is placed above to roof. The streetlight is not in the FOV because it is below the roof. The only thing that could be reflected in the window is something above to roof. (thats how fov works)

[edit on 28-4-2009 by DaMod]

Mmmmm Stella, my only mistress...

Right you have to remember the window is not a full 90 degrees to the object, and refraction from 2 panes of glass can catch it at that angle.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/fee02a957639.png[/atsimg]

obviously a bit rough, but gives you a decent idea.

Where are my stars...

Originally posted by smurfy
reply to post by kinda kurious

 

Hi,
ukwo is referring to a small reflection on the open window itself,
not the frame.

I was posting to board in general and not as a response to a single poster, but thanks.

Regards...KK

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


Judging by every post I've ever seen you make you could see a flying giraffe in the sky with your own eyes and still would not be convinced it was an object in the sky.

So your telling us that he is supporting a piece of glass outside his window???? Do you know how heavy glass is? Have you ever installed a window before????

[edit on 28-4-2009 by DaMod]