Fox sanitizes 9/11 video archive to conceal perp?

Originally posted by evil incarnate
I am only willing to reply to so much stupidity.

I think this is a mistake.

I do my best, within the limits of my schedule, to reply to all stupidity. Shills and disinfo agents can hide behind a masque of stupidity and raise absurd objections to the truth.

This doesn't fool most people but there are a group of people, a very sizeable group of people, and they vote too, who are not ultra sharp about stuff, although they may have all kinds of talents and virtues that make them just as valuable to society in other ways than intelligence.

These people benefit from one's efforts to respond to all stupidity. A patient, clearly reasoned response to a shill hiding behind a masque of stupidity can actually help many people to understand fundamental issues. That's why the most dishonest debunker is an asset to the truth movement.

The one armed man is a specific reference to an old television show. Keep up.

I'm sorry Dr. Kimball.

I said "character assasination?" can you quote that for me?

Anything to oblige.

I really really hate to be the one to tell you this but yes, here in America, writing that someone specific did something they did not is subject to libel laws because it is intentionally telling a misstruth. He may simply be mistaken but then that is why our justice system is designed to assume innocence until proof of guilt is established.

This is garbled non-sense. LTRU said Rob Riggle is Harley Man. He didn't say anything about him doing anything. I think you are making a lot of inferences.

Awesome how all you guys are so willing to just toss the parts of America you do not like out the window.

That's the American way. America is forever reinventing itself. I heard that on PBS.

You can NOT publish in writing an intentional lie about someone specific.

You obviously are not conversant with the practices of the American press.

The reason it is illegal is to keep people in check.

All laws on the books exist to keep people in check.

If he can say that it most certainly is Rob Riggle without any proof at all that it is...then I can write an article about how I have seen you going to petting farms and copulating with the sheep.

Well, he has been posting proof after proof. As to the second part of your statement, you will have to talk to my press agent. I might be able to arrange for you to be on set during one of my productions.

What is the difference between purple and violet?

It's a perceptual one. Purple light exists closer to indigo on the color wheel. Violet would be closer to red.

Originally posted by ipsedixit

I said "character assasination?" can you quote that for me?

Anything to oblige.

I really really hate to be the one to tell you this but yes, here in America, writing that someone specific did something they did not is subject to libel laws because it is intentionally telling a misstruth. He may simply be mistaken but then that is why our justice system is designed to assume innocence until proof of guilt is established.

Ummmm.....I do not see the words "character assasination" in there anywhere. Not even seperately. Speaking of disinfo agents. They also like to try to tie you up in pointless logical knots.

You said that blah blah blah I accuse them of character assasination.

I asked for a quote where I once ever said "character assasination"

Wel... your quote kind of speaks for itself.

Perhaps later when Im bored and ore awake I will do like you said and reply to all the stupidty. I just hate to pick on you so badly when you only losing more and more.

Originally posted by evil incarnate
Perhaps later when Im bored and ore awake I will do like you said and reply to all the stupidty. I just hate to pick on you so badly when you only losing more and more.

I'm used to being sneered at. I can take the heat.

Originally posted by ipsedixit

Originally posted by evil incarnate
Perhaps later when Im bored and ore awake I will do like you said and reply to all the stupidty. I just hate to pick on you so badly when you only losing more and more.

I'm used to being sneered at. I can take the heat.

So you admit it is stupidity then right?

Originally posted by evil incarnate
So you admit it is stupidity then right?

You know, as we bat the ball back and forth, I'm beginning to have some intuitions about you.

I think you are young and programmed to be female. Yes, I said programmed. I think that you are a bionic entity. The beings who inhabit your home planet, through intense electronic surveillance and numerous overflights, abductions etc., have acquired a good grasp of the basics of life in America, but there are nuances that have escaped them.

Please pass along my compliments to . . . uh, your service technician.

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I was also programmed to do voice analysis as well having facial recognition software. The man in the video is not Rob Riggle. I have been begging someone to prove it was for some time now. I guess there is a reason they have not.

P.S. the topic of the thread is not me or your lsd induced 'intuitions.' You did not even use the word correctly. I guess then I can assume you are an ignorant little person.

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Let me get this strait. If i believe someone is someone else, I have stated a lie, but if you intentionally slander me by publishing that i "am the worst american", you are somehow immune from your own justice? Do I have that correct? If I state you are evil incarnate, am I safe? If people believe Jesus will save them from hell and tell other they will go to hell with out him are they slandering? What's your take on that Evil?

Originally posted by evil incarnate
reply to post by ipsedixit

 

I was also programmed to do voice analysis as well having facial recognition software. The man in the video is not Rob Riggle. I have been begging someone to prove it was for some time now. I guess there is a reason they have not.

P.S. the topic of the thread is not me or your lsd induced 'intuitions.' You did not even use the word correctly. I guess then I can assume you are an ignorant little person.

So now you are saying ipsedixit takes '___' and he is ignorant? Keep the slander coming. I'm working up a nice case on your behalf there freedom fighter or is that title to bold for you?

Originally posted by letthereaderunderstand
reply to post by evil incarnate

 

Let me get this strait. If i believe someone is someone else, I have stated a lie, but if you intentionally slander me by publishing that i "am the worst american", you are somehow immune from your own justice? Do I have that correct? If I state you are evil incarnate, am I safe? If people believe Jesus will save them from hell and tell other they will go to hell with out him are they slandering? What's your take on that Evil?

You are absolutely correct. I did slander when I said worst kind of American. If you can prove damages, you have a case.

...on the other hand, accusing someone of involvement in the murder and/or coverup thereof of almost 3000 people is a littttttttle bit different.

Why is this such a crazy concepty?

Accusing someone of being in on the coverup of the biggest CT of all time is just a tad different than anything I have said or done.

Originally posted by letthereaderunderstand
So now you are saying ipsedixit takes '___' and he is ignorant? Keep the slander coming. I'm working up a nice case on your behalf there freedom fighter or is that title to bold for you?

No, silly. I only said he was on '___'. I said that I could assume he was ignorant from his obvious missuse of the very word he was trying to insult me with.

Again, I say - I will be glad to go to court and argue my case against anyone else who has been accused of being in on the murder of almost 3000 people. I will be glad to pay whatever damages may be found on me.

I think Riggle could own you but you see no difference in declaring a man a traitor to his country and an accomplice to mass murder and saying someone is on psychoactive hallucinogens so I am afraid there is little hope you will understand this. Can we get back on topic

Anyone able to prove that it is Rob Riggle becuase so far all the evidence we have leads to differences of opinion at best so where is the solid proof?

Originally posted by letthereaderunderstand
What do you know? Riggle looks a little different as a younger man and look what network this happens to be for. I believe this is from the late 90's early 2k's.

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Excellent find.

Well all the evidence points to Riggle, and nothing has ruled him out so far. Somebody ought to call him in for questioning and he better have a good alibi ready.

Keeping on the topic of photo manipulation, what about the black man that steps out behind Harley after he says "... came out of nowhere" ?


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OK, this thread has officially gone off the deep end. "all the evidence points to Riggle?" All of what evidence???????? All the evidence so far is you people blaming him. Good luck getting him to answer your questions. Good luck getting him dragged in for questioning. If anyone gets any actual proof, I would love to come back. Until then, this thread can safely go in the same pile as the billy meier threads.

Originally posted by evil incarnate

Originally posted by letthereaderunderstand
reply to post by evil incarnate

 

Let me get this strait. If i believe someone is someone else, I have stated a lie, but if you intentionally slander me by publishing that i "am the worst american", you are somehow immune from your own justice? Do I have that correct? If I state you are evil incarnate, am I safe? If people believe Jesus will save them from hell and tell other they will go to hell with out him are they slandering? What's your take on that Evil?

You are absolutely correct. I did slander when I said worst kind of American. If you can prove damages, you have a case.

...on the other hand, accusing someone of involvement in the murder and/or coverup thereof of almost 3000 people is a littttttttle bit different.

Why is this such a crazy concepty?

Accusing someone of being in on the coverup of the biggest CT of all time is just a tad different than anything I have said or done.

I know I'm right, so I thank you for openly admitting it. The problem I have with your statements Evil is that you say that I have accused Riggle of involvement in murder and treason and that is simply not true.

I believe you came into the thread and saw random peoples replies and somehow tied them to me because I asked for others opinion and later stated my own certainty of HM's identity. If you were to go back over both this thread and the one in which I asked the question, you will find no where that I ever did what you are claiming I did, because I simply have not.

I see your intentions and they are noble. The concept is not what I am having trouble with, rather your false claims of accusation on my part.

Some people "know" the moon missions were fakes, some people "know" haarp is a death ray, some people "know" Lee Harvey Oswald didn't shoot Kennedy, all because that is what they think, yet will state "they know", just as I know, Harley man and Riggle are one in the same.

If me saying that leads you to a false presumption, where by you begin stating things that I neither wrote nor said, then the only one libel is you, having not paid close enough attention to the content in these posts.

It is evident by your lack of quotation of said "damning accusations" towards Riggle or Harley Man's character, that you are acting off of emotions and not rational thought.

As I have stated before, Riggle is innocent and will remain that way. Harley man has been altered and this is evident, so why you would use the defense of him looking nothing like Riggle is beyond me, when knowing full well his face has been altered.

If you are the professional video guy you eluded to being, it would be more then obvious to you that the footage is doctored of Harley man. Not only a digital box, but his entire face (eyes, nose, chin, even hat).

If you understand Green screens, as you claim, then you know that his insertion would not render his true height and again, I am lost as to why you would defend it, unless you believed otherwise about the footage being doctored.

You say his voice is nothing like Riggles after seeing voice analysis that shows it is exactly the opposite of your statement. Lombardy Inn ran 10 different clips at different areas of both Harley Man and Riggles footage only to get the same results every time...perfect match, so again, why you would defend it otherwise is beyond me unless you are Riggle himself or an agent working on his behalf. I'm not saying you are, but I can not understand why you would ignore hard facts and insert wild claims, as to even slander me yourself admittedly in the same breath as you cry out against such an action. There is no justice in double standards.

I'm not trying to take the last word, but I really have nothing more to say, as this has derailed the thread more then enough times. I don't like to make enemies AT ALL and I do not wish to be yours either. We don't need to be fighting, we need to be working together setting aside our differences for the bigger picture, but alas that is your choice, I am willing.

I wish you no ill and success in your search for the truth of these events that have rattled us all, so that you may obtain closure and peace over this horrible chapter in our history.

Sincerely, Ltru

Originally posted by letthereaderunderstand
I know I'm right, so I thank you for openly admitting it. The problem I have with your statements Evil is that you say that I have accused Riggle of involvement in murder and treason and that is simply not true.

I believe you came into the thread and saw random peoples replies and somehow tied them to me because I asked for others opinion and later stated my own certainty of HM's identity. If you were to go back over both this thread and the one in which I asked the question, you will find no where that I ever did what you are claiming I did, because I simply have not.

I see your intentions and they are noble. The concept is not what I am having trouble with, rather your false claims of accusation on my part.

Some people "know" the moon missions were fakes, some people "know" haarp is a death ray, some people "know" Lee Harvey Oswald didn't shoot Kennedy, all because that is what they think, yet will state "they know", just as I know, Harley man and Riggle are one in the same.

If me saying that leads you to a false presumption, where by you begin stating things that I neither wrote nor said, then the only one libel is you, having not paid close enough attention to the content in these posts.

It is evident by your lack of quotation of said "damning accusations" towards Riggle or Harley Man's character, that you are acting off of emotions and not rational thought.

As I have stated before, Riggle is innocent and will remain that way. Harley man has been altered and this is evident, so why you would use the defense of him looking nothing like Riggle is beyond me, when knowing full well his face has been altered.

If you are the professional video guy you eluded to being, it would be more then obvious to you that the footage is doctored of Harley man. Not only a digital box, but his entire face (eyes, nose, chin, even hat).

If you understand Green screens, as you claim, then you know that his insertion would not render his true height and again, I am lost as to why you would defend it, unless you believed otherwise about the footage being doctored.

You say his voice is nothing like Riggles after seeing voice analysis that shows it is exactly the opposite of your statement. Lombardy Inn ran 10 different clips at different areas of both Harley Man and Riggles footage only to get the same results every time...perfect match, so again, why you would defend it otherwise is beyond me unless you are Riggle himself or an agent working on his behalf. I'm not saying you are, but I can not understand why you would ignore hard facts and insert wild claims, as to even slander me yourself admittedly in the same breath as you cry out against such an action. There is no justice in double standards.

I'm not trying to take the last word, but I really have nothing more to say, as this has derailed the thread more then enough times. I don't like to make enemies AT ALL and I do not wish to be yours either. We don't need to be fighting, we need to be working together setting aside our differences for the bigger picture, but alas that is your choice, I am willing.

I wish you no ill and success in your search for the truth of these events that have rattled us all, so that you may obtain closure and peace over this horrible chapter in our history.

Sincerely, Ltru

Wow, you really know how to dissassociate yourself from guilt don't you.

If it is Rob Riggle, as you say it most certainly is, then how are you not accusing him of being in on the coverup. You believe Rob Riggle purposely pretended to be a random man on the street in order to push propoganda. If you are not accusing him of being in on it, what is it you are saying?

You cannot tell me that you are certain it is Riggle and yet you are not accusing him of being involved. How does that even make sense in your world?

Either it is him and he is involved in the coverup of 9/11 or it is not him. You cannot have it both ways.

Apparently you take my opposition as hostile but you have to understand something. You are saying that it most definitely is him. You are 100% sure it is him. Can you prove it is him? If not, why are you certain it is him?

Interesting thread. They do sort of look a like. After reading this thread I googled Harley man and came across some threads thinking Harley man was D-list Canadian TV actor Mark Humphrey. Mark Humphrey looks like "Harley man" too. At least from the side shots he does.

Originally posted by Manwin
Interesting thread. They do sort of look a like. After reading this thread I googled Harley man and came across some threads thinking Harley man was D-list Canadian TV actor Mark Humphrey. Mark Humphrey looks like "Harley man" too. At least from the side shots he does.

Was Humphrey in Manhattan on 9/11? Associating Riggle with Harley Man is based on looks, similarity of voice and presence in Lower Manhattan on the day in question.

Lest some of the newcomers have missed some early posts in this thread; here is some vital information.

Let us not lose sight that our Harley Man Disinfo Artist primary suspect for the moment, is comedian Rob Riggle and he was a US Marine Corps Captain on the morning of 9-11 and present in New York City on the morning of 9-11-2001, and assigned to moving rubble by hand in the bucket brigades on Sept 12th.

He was first identified as a Harley Man suspect by voice alone.

Capt. Riggle left active duty in the summer of 2000 and immediately joined the Marine Corps Reserves. In the fall of 2001 Capt. Riggle was in New York City. His reserve unit, MTU-17, stationed in Manhattan, were among the first military responders to the attacks on the World Trade Centers. Capt. Riggle was activated from Sept. 12th through the 30th, 2001, where he worked at ground zero moving rubble by hand in the bucket brigades. On November 10th (the Marine Corps birthday) Capt. Riggle received orders back to active duty for one year. He was assigned to Central Command (CENTCOM) in Tampa, Florida.

www.robriggle.com...

Military career
Riggle is a Lieutenant Colonel in the United States Marine Corps Reserve and served in Liberia, Kosovo, and Afghanistan. He is currently a public affairs officer with the New York City Public Affairs unit and is a recipient of the Combat Action Ribbon. He has referred to his military experiences on The Daily Show, often when acting as the show's "Military Analyst", sometimes stating he could kill any other member of the show. He is the only Daily Show cast member to have been in the U.S. military.

In August 2007, Riggle went to Iraq to report for The Daily Show as well as entertain the troops under the purview of the United Service Organizations.

On April 15, 2009, The Daily Show announced that Riggle had been promoted from Major to the rank of Lieutenant Colonel.

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by SPreston
He was first identified as a Harley Man suspect by voice alone.

How do you expect others to believe you when you don't even tell the truth?

From the original post in the original thread www.abovetopsecret.com... :

Originally posted by letthereaderunderstand
After seeing this footage, I had an odd feeling I had seen this guy before.

Nothing at all about in the first "identification" as a "Harley Man suspect" has anything to do with his voice, only what he looks like. It morphed from there into a total ignorant witch hunt, to the point of Riggle himself denying it was him.

Originally posted by Soloist

Originally posted by SPreston
He was first identified as a Harley Man suspect by voice alone.

How do you expect others to believe you when you don't even tell the truth?

From the original post in the original thread www.abovetopsecret.com... :

Originally posted by letthereaderunderstand
After seeing this footage, I had an odd feeling I had seen this guy before.

Nothing at all about in the first "identification" as a "Harley Man suspect" has anything to do with his voice, only what he looks like. It morphed from there into a total ignorant witch hunt, to the point of Riggle himself denying it was him.

And in context, here is my very next reply.

I am searching for a better quality video. It is hard to make him out from this version, though if you close your eyes and listen to the voices, they are the same.

Didn't you learn anything from the force luke?

Unfortunately, only people who have impaired vision or who are blind for the most part first go with the sense of hearing, having that sense more acutely tuned.

I was trying to relate to people who I believed it was and the most immediate way to do that was with video. I didn't think most would probably of known whom I was speaking of if I would of only have posted audio.

Harley man seemed familiar visually to me, but I could not place why until I heard Riggle on the daily show, then it hit me by how he had phrased a few words that he was Harley man.

Peace

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Originally posted by Soloist

Originally posted by SPreston
He was first identified as a Harley Man suspect by voice alone.

How do you expect others to believe you when you don't even tell the truth?

From the original post in the original thread www.abovetopsecret.com... :

Originally posted by letthereaderunderstand
After seeing this footage, I had an odd feeling I had seen this guy before.

Nothing at all about in the first "identification" as a "Harley Man suspect" has anything to do with his voice, only what he looks like. It morphed from there into a total ignorant witch hunt, to the point of Riggle himself denying it was him.

With claims such as evil kanievel is proposing, why would he admit to it? After seeing the charges that evil brings up, I'm sure Riggle would rather it go away besides, we all know he was and is under orders. We aren't talking Joe Schmo Citizen here, rather a Marine Capt. (at the time) now a Lt. Colonel and under orders or do you think he was down there in his spare time just relaxing with his unit?