Fox sanitizes 9/11 video archive to conceal perp?

Now looking at the non-stretched images of Harley man, I am forced to go back to my earlier observation that the two don't resemble each other much. maybe superficially at the brow, but beyond that, looking at the new Harley Man images, it just doesn't look like Riggle.

My reasons for this:

1. Harley Man's head is short and roundish, and seems a bit chubby, where Riggle's head is long and kinda funny shaped, with no real chubbiness present.

2. Harley Man's nose and chin look even less like riggle now. Shorter and more concave, harley Man. Riggle has a big assed nose, really long and prominent, harley man's nose seems shorter, smaller, and concave.

3. Harley man's eyes seem squintier for some reason. Rob riggle's brow seems heavier.

I dunno. Ive watched Harley man tape over and over, and looked at different stuff r=Riggle has done and different pics on the web. It doesn't seem like much of a match.

I'm waiting for Lombardi to get his second opinion, as well as someone with face recognition tech to shed more light.

Originally posted by volitionawareness
reply to post by matth

 

but if it is, his presence as a comedy/media star now is proof that he is being well rewarded for services well executed on that horrible, evil day..

"Help us cover up the murder of 3000 of our own citizens and we will give you a minimal part time job on a low budget cable show. Muah ha ha ha ha."

-NWO

Yeah, that makes sense.

reply to post by letthereaderunderstand


I am really sorry but not only does it make no sense that it has to be Riggle, there is the fact that this guy in NO WAY even resembles Riggle. Not his build, his stance, his FACE, or his voice. What the heck is everyone here smoking these days? I would not be surprised if he was a plant but seriously, folks. There is no reason to even think this is Riggle and you are doing a great job of showing how wonderfully liberal and free America is by accusing him and finding him guilty of treason all on your own. I hope all of you so desperately trying to prove this fallacy are proud of yourselves. I for one do not want to live in an America where people are found guilty by the people at large with no recourse for the "guilty" party. If Rob released a statement claiming that was not him, would you believe it? What could he do to convince you it is NOT him?

Actually, that is a reall good question-

What could he possible do to convince you it is not him.

Originally posted by evil incarnate
What the heck is everyone here smoking these days?

It must be something that makes us read the whole thread, so when we contribute to the discussion we already know what has already been said. If you read the whole thread and actually follow the discussion, then people might take what you say seriously and actually engage you in a discussion.

I for one do not want to live in an America where people are found guilty by the people at large with no recourse for the "guilty" party.

You already live in that place and that is only the start of what is wrong with it.

If Rob released a statement claiming that was not him, would you believe it? What could he do to convince you it is NOT him?

Actually, that is a reall good question-

What could he possible do to convince you it is not him.

An alibi might be a start. Here in the adult world a simple denial is not good enough, except among the closest of trusted friends. As you grow older and finally leave your early teens behind, you will understand all this.

reply to post by ipsedixit


LOL, you are cute. Early teens eh? How old am I exactly? Yes, I know I already live in that place and I do not like it. That is why I myself do not engage in such behavior and it saddens me to see someone else not only do it but then defend it because it is the status quo anyway. Imagine if that was how Lincoln felt about slavery.

I know a simple denial is not good enough. If you read what I actually said, that was my point. He can deny it all he wants and no one will care. Perhaps when you grow up, you will do the due dilligence and actually look into this. There is no resemblance between the man in the footage and Robert Riggle. It is quite simple. If you think it is ok to condemn people you do not know with almost no evidence and then state that any denial would fall on deaf ears. That is not what I think Americans are and that is not how I am. I assume it is not him until someone PROVES it is. You go ahead and be how you are and defend that all you like.

People, please remember the key philosophy of the American Justice system, as envisioned and ordained by the founding fathers. Innocent until PROVEN guilty. That includes EVERYONE.

There is no proof yet that Harley Man is Rob Riggle, and if it is found that they are one in the same, it still PROVES NOTHING, as we have no Proof that Harley Man is guilty of anything beyond simply repeating information he was either given or had overheard someone else say.

If Rob Riggle turns out to be Harley Man, that it, at best, is an interesting little tidbit of information. It proves nothing unless you can find compelling, hard evidence that shows Harley Man was indeed part of some greater conspiracy.

Innocent until PROVEN guilty. Let's not forget that.

Originally posted by evil incarnate
reply to post by letthereaderunderstand

 

I am really sorry but not only does it make no sense that it has to be Riggle, there is the fact that this guy in NO WAY even resembles Riggle. Not his build, his stance, his FACE, or his voice. What the heck is everyone here smoking these days? I would not be surprised if he was a plant but seriously, folks. There is no reason to even think this is Riggle and you are doing a great job of showing how wonderfully liberal and free America is by accusing him and finding him guilty of treason all on your own. I hope all of you so desperately trying to prove this fallacy are proud of yourselves. I for one do not want to live in an America where people are found guilty by the people at large with no recourse for the "guilty" party. If Rob released a statement claiming that was not him, would you believe it? What could he do to convince you it is NOT him?

Actually, that is a reall good question-

What could he possible do to convince you it is not him.

Of course it isn't him, not in the footage because his face has been so altered you wouldn't know it unless you knew the footage was altered.

I never got it from seeing him. I got it from hearing and still trust my ears more then my sight. Pictures can be manipulated as sound can also, which they did to a few of his words.

Sure he is innocent until proven guilty. I know it is him, but haven't told anyone else..."you must accept this". I know it is a heavy judgment, but like I said, Unless I was 100% sure, I wouldn't say it. I'm 100% sure. I have no hard feelings against him. I don't know him, but I know that harleyman isn't a real guy. I know it is riggle playing a part as ORDERED to by his command. He got a sweet payoff and a promotion to Lieutent Colonel, plus his identity concealed and that is more then obvious to anyone knowing how footage is manipulated. Again, never got it from seeing though I did have a familiarity with his face, but by hearing it.

You've seen the voice analysis, what will it take to convince YOU?

Peace

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
It proves nothing unless you can find compelling, hard evidence that shows Harley Man was indeed part of some greater conspiracy.

Innocent until PROVEN guilty. Let's not forget that.

I agree with your post and gave you a star. It should be pointed out however that there is already evidence that someone has tried to conceal Harley Man's facial features in the interview footage with Mr. Leventhal.

To date no one has supplied video footage that does not show evidence of digital alteration of Harley Man's features. When you couple that with his statements and his over the top delivery of them, particularly contrasted to everyone else on the street who seemed to be walking around in a daze, just glad to be alive, you have a smoking gun.

People who want us to forget about Rob Riggle will have to be a little more patient.

How about an alibi Mr. Riggle? Were you with anyone who could verify where you were and what you were doing that morning? Did you have a Harley Davidson T-shirt on that day? Do you have photos that show you wearing something else?

Those are the sorts of things that would be routine questions from investigating police officers. There is nothing outrageous about that sort of inquiry.

I'm not in favor of hounding Mr. Riggle, but people in this thread have given links to the thread to him or his representatives. He knows what is going on. He gave one denial on Twitter and has since been silent as far as anyone knows.

People in the 9/11 truth movement realize that we are dealing with a mass muder investigation. People seeking to evade charges are going to be resourceful in deceit. We have to be persistent and resourceful investigators to get to the bottom of what happened on that terrible morning.

Originally posted by evil incarnate
reply to post by letthereaderunderstand

 

I am really sorry but not only does it make no sense that it has to be Riggle, there is the fact that this guy in NO WAY even resembles Riggle. Not his build, his stance, his FACE, or his voice. What the heck is everyone here smoking these days? I would not be surprised if he was a plant but seriously, folks. There is no reason to even think this is Riggle and you are doing a great job of showing how wonderfully liberal and free America is by accusing him and finding him guilty of treason all on your own. I hope all of you so desperately trying to prove this fallacy are proud of yourselves. I for one do not want to live in an America where people are found guilty by the people at large with no recourse for the "guilty" party. If Rob released a statement claiming that was not him, would you believe it? What could he do to convince you it is NOT him?

Actually, that is a reall good question-

What could he possible do to convince you it is not him.

I haven't judged him, i've recognized him...that's all. I've said no where anything about treason or hanging him or anything like that. I'm a fan of his, but it doesn't change my senses. I have said all through this thread before I was sure, that even if it is him. What has he done? It's not a case just a piece of the puzzle.

I actually had to tell people to stop making death threats on the youtube video i posted once people realized it is him. I wish him no harm, I just want the truth like the rest of you. He lives with what he did. That must be torture enough. I wish him no more pain. He probably didn't have a choice in the manner.

He has already made a statement on his twitter page. Something to the effect of "it is 100% not me". He can say that with confidence because his image has been so altered, it isn't him. Like tell yourself a lie till you believe it type thing.

Don't watch it....listen to it. It is him...I promise, plus he was a first reponder on 9-11 and has admitted to being there. He also was shipped out of country for 3 years following after being reactivated to the marines from reserve duty on 9-12. Why so important to ship him to Afghanistan for 3 years? To let things die down and let harley man slip away in to myth.

Peace

reply to post by letthereaderunderstand


If you are truly a fan then you would know what he looks like. You would be able to see as easily as I can that the two men bear no resemblance other than overall coloring. As I said, stance, height, buld, face, head, neck, all do NOT match up. Thank heaven's you are not a fan of mine.

reply to post by ipsedixit


I am still searching for pic of him on that day. Someone had to have taken a picture of him on the bucket brigade. Good luck finding one...I've been searching sense the original post 2 threads ago.

ipsedixit...good points

reply to post by letthereaderunderstand


What it will take to convince me is irrefutable voice analysis confirming with a tiny margin of error that thw two voices are a match. I believe Lombardi is working on that, getting a second opinion and having his friends take another look.

Face recognition analysis would be great if someone had the software and knowledge. I've heard even hopelessly warped crappy video can still yield results.

I did not say you are directly accusing him. I am simply saying to other people on here who are quick to go "witch hunting" and declare Riggle a traitor of the worst sort before even confirming it is him, and further confirming, with evidence, that he was a knowing and willing stooge/liar actively engaged in a cover up.

Like I've said, if it is Riggle, he is most likely simply relaying information that he either heard from other rescuers, or a memo from his chain of command, and thus, most likely believes nothing is wrong, that the account he recieved is accurate and he is simply passing the word along. He probably does not think he is deliberately lying or spreading false info, he believes that everything told to him is legit. Thus, he's niether plant nor stooge, but like millions of others, in a state of shock and not in the "WTF is this BS" mode. he was, after all, pretty much right there when a major, horrific tragedy and massacre of civilians was taking place.

Not everyone who parrots/believes/passes on the official story is a spook or operative. There are millions who still believe it. As far as Riggle's promotions, I hardly see them as rewards, and from my own experience, moving up the ranks that quickly is not unheard of or unusual for an officer who is well liked, has made the right (non-conspiratorial) connections and friends, and shows ambition/potential/need. Nor do i think his comedy/acting career was due to anything more than his own talents and work.

Originally posted by evil incarnate
reply to post by letthereaderunderstand

 

If you are truly a fan then you would know what he looks like. You would be able to see as easily as I can that the two men bear no resemblance other than overall coloring. As I said, stance, height, buld, face, head, neck, all do NOT match up. Thank heaven's you are not a fan of mine.

You'll see, i'm not worried. You have to understand how badly harley mans face has been altered to see it. I can't post pics until tomorrow.

You'll see as soon as I can post.

Peace

reply to post by letthereaderunderstand


You know, you are the worst kind of American. You stand there and claim innocence because you have not called for his head but you have gone to the trouble to post here and even put up youtube videos claiming it is him. You convicted him. Did you seriously not think it might anger the less intelligent among us that are quick to react and slow to think? What were you hoping to accomplish by pushing this THEORY?

Originally posted by letthereaderunderstand
You'll see, i'm not worried. You have to understand how badly harley mans face has been altered to see it. I can't post pics until tomorrow.

You'll see as soon as I can post.

Peace

So that little box over his face changed his height and build as well? Do you know what software they are using because I would love to get a copy.

Originally posted by evil incarnate
So that little box over his face changed his height and build as well?

Could you be a little more specific as to how Harley Man's height and build differ from that of Rob Riggle? To me they both look like husky guys. We know that Harley Man's facial features have been digitally altered but we may have missed things pertaining to height and build.

Do you know what software they are using because I would love to get a copy.

They did a very bad job on the face. I'm guessing they used Windows Paint. It comes free with the Windows OS.

[edit on 3-5-2009 by ipsedixit]

Originally posted by evil incarnate
reply to post by letthereaderunderstand

 

You know, you are the worst kind of American. You stand there and claim innocence because you have not called for his head but you have gone to the trouble to post here and even put up youtube videos claiming it is him. You convicted him. Did you seriously not think it might anger the less intelligent among us that are quick to react and slow to think? What were you hoping to accomplish by pushing this THEORY?

I'm sorry you are hurt evil. In the same breath you say I have convicted, you convict? You know better...

Have you read any of the threads referring to this? If you had, you would know my position. Have you seen the youtube video? If you had, you would not be so "quick to react and slow to think". Did you join specifically for these threads as you have only been here since they were posted?

I have, what is called to outsiders, an opinion, but to myself a fact. Do you see me with a gavel and robe sitting on the bank? Is Judge before my name or esq after it?

What I did, was post asking others for their opinion on the matter, as I wanted a good consensus to confer what I was hearing and seeing myself and not what you are suggesting or stating I should say. Some saw it and heard it, others didn't. Do I have my own thoughts on the matter? Yes. I know it is him. Since when has giving your opinion on what you think make you "The worst kind of American". If it wasn't for that quality you would be having a cup a tea and a biscuit right now while sipping it through some Austin Powers teeth and finishing with a "God save the Queen".

You feel strongly enough to convict while telling me conviction is bad? What kind of message is that sending to the kids?

Tell you what. Come talk to me after you have actually done some investigating yourself. I've gone through over 400 still images of Harley man and every one of them is a fraud. I've done voice analysis for Harley and Riggle, though they are not as easy to understand as Lombardi Inns. He did a great job!!

They are shooting against a green screen and I know that because of the depth of field, false shadowing, and static glitches you will only see frame by frame. The shot is fraudulent as this post suggests and was right to do so because it is true. No height can be determined as it is shot in a studio against a green screen. Funny how leventhal is covered in dust from the previous interviews but sparkling clean for harley guy. There is an old Hollywood trick called stand the actor on a box just out of the shot to make them appear to see "eye to eye". Even so, Leventhal is not doing that interview live with Harley Man. His eyes are not tracking him, has no shadow cast from Harley Mans hand or the black Gentlemen standing behind them nor does he react to the statements even when harley guy did the plane re actment. His hand goes though the mic and the mic dips into harley's chest at one point. They were not even together. That whole seen is a fraud. My service went down so, I don't have good upload capabilities until tomorrow.

As I said before, and take no offense by your judgments of me...you'll see. I wouldn't want you to believe it until you could prove it to yourself. I've asked no one to believe it, they are all adults and can think for themselves and after tomorrow you can judge me all you would like for having my own opinion that I have trumpeted to no one. All I have done is ask a question. If you want to feel bad, feel bad for Mark Humphrey. That guy has been getting death threats since 2004 and you want to talk about a guy that looks in no way similar to harley man...wow.

Anyways friend, I wish you peace.

[edit on 4-5-2009 by letthereaderunderstand]

Originally posted by evil incarnate

Originally posted by letthereaderunderstand
You'll see, i'm not worried. You have to understand how badly harley mans face has been altered to see it. I can't post pics until tomorrow.

You'll see as soon as I can post.

Peace

So that little box over his face changed his height and build as well? Do you know what software they are using because I would love to get a copy.

For the altering of the face? Photoshop. The height isn't applicable because the shot isn't real. Leventhal and Harley guy are not together. The whole shot is layered.

Layers in this order.
1.Leventhal
2.Harley Guy
3. Black guy and little white man walk past behind, black guy stops to block phony back drop and guy to the left of Harley Man.
4. Street scene and crew of workers.

All shot against green screen.

Peace

reply to post by letthereaderunderstand

Do you think it is possible that Leventhal was not aware of what was going on?

Could they have used footage of him from another interview and inserted Harley Man into it, then done whatever digital fiddling they had to, before broadcasting it later in the day. Leventhal would have been very busy on the street for several days if not weeks and probably didn't have the opportunity to view a lot of the footage when his memory of the interviews would have been fresh.

I'm wondering if he hasn't been running around, scratching his head because he can't remember interviewing Harley Man. Of course eventually he would have put two and two together, as anyone with a brain in their head has done, and realized that the Bush administration was pulling some kind of a fast one on everyone, but by that time all the media people had decided where their bread was buttered.

Incidentally, if you can show convincingly that the Harley Man video interview is fake it will give a shot in the arm to the rest of the video fakery people, who have been taking so much criticism.


[edit on 4-5-2009 by ipsedixit]

reply to post by letthereaderunderstand


So the Harley Guy propaganda video is a total photoshop? In other words it never happened? It took place in a studio most likely without Leventhal even there? Just Riggle the actor and a few other actors and Leventhal on video interviewing somebody else?

At 00:03:18 in 911 Mysteries - Demolitions, Leventhal buries his microphone in Harley Guy's chest, and the tough Marine Lieutenant Colonel did not even wince.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/d0e82559b6b6.jpg[/atsimg]

Download the video and view it yourself. Every red-blooded American and every truth-seeking world citizen should have all this evidence on their own hard drives for viewing themselves.