Fox sanitizes 9/11 video archive to conceal perp?

they can do anything they want - so can the Hearst Corporation.... it is my understanding - when the US declared its citizens terrorist... at least 1 million copies of 911 evidence has been time vaulted just in case we loose what ever these bastards have in mind... so they can not kill truth - it will live on in atleast 50 different media structures world wide... in these various vaults one or two will be discovered - but for uncle sam to find them all... impossible -- so one day this true will air as a relic or as a unfinished promise - Truth Will Survive and the perf's will be held accountible even post mordum damn nations if nothing else.

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Peace

posted by SPreston
He was first identified as a Harley Man suspect by voice alone.

posted by Soloist

How do you expect others to believe you when you don't even tell the truth?

Nothing at all about in the first "identification" as a "Harley Man suspect" has anything to do with his voice, only what he looks like. It morphed from there into a total ignorant witch hunt, to the point of Riggle himself denying it was him.

Why must you lie? letthereaderunderstand did not even describe Harley Guy at all in that 1st thread OP did he? He mentioned Harley Guy's description of the event and his words didn't he, which was accomplished with his voice? That had nothing to do with what Harley Guy looked like did it? You government loyalists spin spin spin. Why can't you ever just try some honesty for a change?

Then in subsequent posts on the very 1st page of the original thread, letthereaderunderstand explains how the voice was what caught his attention.

"I am searching for a better quality video. It is hard to make him out from this version, though if you close your eyes and listen to the voices, they are the same."

"I have a program for audio analysis"

"Try closing your eyes and just listing to both of the clips I posted at the same time."

posted by letthereaderunderstand
Hello everyone. I don't know how many people remember this guy at ground zero on september 11th. It was right after the towers had come down and fox was interviewing witnesses. He is the guy that described that as he was watching he saw the plane "Karine" in to the building "coming through the other side". "Then, I watched as both the towers came down due to structural failure, because the fire was just too intense."

If you know who I'm talking about good, if not here is the footage to remind you.

post by letthereaderunderstand

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How come nobody ever answered me about why he would betray his country and then go on to a career in the public eye. What could they possibly have offered him to get him to commit treason? A low paying cable gig? There are probably millions of people they could have used for Harley Man but instead they picked this guy and have no problem with the fact that he is on television all the time? Someone who enjoyed the carreer in the marines that he has was so willing to help cover up the slaughter of 3000 Americans because............?

See these are parts of the puzzle I need. Far too many pieces are missing. What do you have at this point? A few of you guys think it looks and sounds like him? That is all you have.

P.S. Where is that voice analysis anyway? Did I miss it?

[edit on 12-5-2009 by evil incarnate]

Originally posted by SPreston
Why must you lie? letthereaderunderstand did not even describe Harley Guy at all in that 1st thread OP did he?

Yawn. I wasn't lying, unfortunately for you there is no way of erasing the original post or thread, it's there for all to see, I posted the quotes, the "first identification" was done by what was seen, the OP states that in the post. You can twist all you like, but it's all there.

I do not know what anyone is arguing about how this started for. If you follow the link to where this started, you get an entire page dedicated to the idea that it looks like Rob Riggle. 'Looks like.' It is all about looks. Unless I followed the wrong link, this all started with people thinking that it looked like Rob Riggle. If I am missing something here, I think some folks need to show me.


Furthermore, here is what is being proposed. Rob Riggle was in on the 9/11 coverup. This implicates anyone that might recognize him when it first aired or in these subsequent showings. His entire family and all of his friends had to also be in on it or else they would have really wondered why the guy they know is posing as just some Joe on the street giving the 'official' story at the time.

Do you all really believe that Rob, his entire family, all the people he works with in the marines, and all of his friends are keeping quiet about the fact that they saw their Rob Riggle pretendingto be someone else?

Explain to me why they would pick someone that could be so readily recognized by many many people?????????????????????????????????

Hey guys, I just found this in the US army COIN (counter insurgent) manual. By the way, all of us are insurgents by term of this manual.

SPreston, I thought you would find this particularly interesting in regards to Riggles position in the military.

The manual can be obtained at Wikileaks.org.

Here it is.

Media 4-49. In a COIN environment, the most difficult portion of information engagement—when necessary— involves dealing with the media. Media contacts normally should be handled by the appropriate public affairs officer (PAO). However, this is not always possible, and silence is not always the best solution. Refusal to speak with accredited members of the media may create strong negative impressions with strategic implications.

edit for remainder of the media section.

Best Practices
• Stress the human aspects of a story, including the impact of opposing operations on people, with which readers, viewers, or listeners can identify.

• Point out the needs of the unfortunate, and the fact that both Soldiers and HN counterparts are working to address those needs.

• If you do not know the answer, try to get it and then either inform the reporter, or refer the reporter to another source. This may establish your team as a helpful source and develop a relationship that can help ensure future balanced coverage.

• Resist the temptation to attack other groups or organizations, and avoid committing information fratricide.

• If questioned about another agency’s activities, refer to that agency for comment. Never speak for other organizations.

• Keep trusted reporters and editors who cover the AO about significant activities there.

• Answer media inquiries promptly, accurately, and courteously.

• Learn reporters’ deadlines and use them to the friendly force’s advantage.

• Encourage media to see what HN and US Soldiers are doing.

• Avoid reacting emotionally to skepticism or hostility.

• Discuss issues calmly.

• Use facts to back up statements.

• Stay focused on the mission.

• Follow the policies of higher HQ and PAO for media interviews.

• Remain friendly, yet professional.

• Use reporters' names.

• Use clear, understandable language.

• Be prepared. Anticipate questions and think about various responses.

• Get to know the interviewers.

• Research the media’s organizations and views.

• Find out how the reporter previously conducted interviews. Comprehensive Tactical Planning in Counterinsurgency FMI 3-24.2 4-13

• Emphasize the interests of the local nationals or other beneficiaries of the mission.

• Avoid speculation.

• State only facts that can be verified.

• Quote statistics with care, as data is easily repurposed.

• Avoid repeating questions, especially those with incorrect or inflammatory language, as this could easily be misquoted or taken out of context.

• Refuse “off-the-record” discussions—there is no such thing!

• Avoid saying “No comment.” which can make you sound evasive.

• Stay objective. Save personal opinions and beliefs for a more appropriate time and place.

Psychological Operations 4-50.
These operations convey selected information and indicators to foreign audiences to influence their emotions, motives, objective reasoning, and ultimately the behavior of foreign governments, organizations, groups, and individuals. The purpose of psychological operations is to induce or reinforce foreign attitudes and behavior favorable to the originator’s objectives (JP 1-02).

Psychological operations can be directed at the civilian populace as a whole, specific groups, or individuals outside the United States and its territories. Psychological operations can influence and modify the behavior of foreign target audiences in support of US objectives.

In a COIN operation, PSYOP seeks to increase popular support for the Host Nation government. Typically, PSYOP directs its messages at the populace. However, psychological operations may focus on convincing enemy fighters to surrender rather than risk destruction. Therefore, these capabilities may be integrated into counterinsurgency targeting. Psychological operations units may also be task-organized with maneuver forces.

Population 4-51. The PSYOP message to the population in COIN has three key facets:

• Obtain buy-in by COIN force for actions that affect the populace, such as— 􀌛 Control measures. 􀌛 Census.

• Win over passive or neutral people by showing HN legitimacy and commitment.

• Encourage locals to provide information about the insurgency to US or HN security forces. Insurgents 4-52. The PSYOP message to the insurgents has three key facets:

• Divide insurgent leaders and guerrillas by emphasizing differences 􀌛 In ideology within the insurgency. 􀌛 In the degree of sacrifice required by different groups.

• Divide insurgents and mass base by emphasizing 􀌛 Failures of the insurgency. 􀌛 Successes of the government.

• Create a means for insurgents to abandon the movement and return to the society.

Peace

[edit on 15-5-2009 by letthereaderunderstand]

[edit on 15-5-2009 by letthereaderunderstand]

Originally posted by evil incarnate
reply to post by letthereaderunderstand

 

P.S. Where is that voice analysis anyway? Did I miss it?

[edit on 12-5-2009 by evil incarnate]

Voice analysis I did just before Lombardy Inns. Admittedly not as easy to follow as Lombardy Inns, but shows Hz levels that Riggle and HM's voice fall into being the same.

Peace

Originally posted by evil incarnate
I do not know what anyone is arguing about how this started for. If you follow the link to where this started, you get an entire page dedicated to the idea that it looks like Rob Riggle. 'Looks like.' It is all about looks. Unless I followed the wrong link, this all started with people thinking that it looked like Rob Riggle. If I am missing something here, I think some folks need to show me.


Furthermore, here is what is being proposed. Rob Riggle was in on the 9/11 coverup. This implicates anyone that might recognize him when it first aired or in these subsequent showings. His entire family and all of his friends had to also be in on it or else they would have really wondered why the guy they know is posing as just some Joe on the street giving the 'official' story at the time.

Do you all really believe that Rob, his entire family, all the people he works with in the marines, and all of his friends are keeping quiet about the fact that they saw their Rob Riggle pretendingto be someone else?

Explain to me why they would pick someone that could be so readily recognized by many many people?????????????????????????????????

I've already answered this. See Post on previous page.

Thank you for taking the time to read.

Peace

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Another thing. Was he recognizable in 2001? Did you know of Riggle in 2001?

2006 was probably the first time I ever heard of him.

If you knew of him in 2001, you must of lived in New York and followed the Upright Citizens Brigade otherwise he was unknown at the time, why not use him especially in the capacity his position gave as PAO (Public Affairs Officer). He would of been first choice...see COIN manual above.

[edit on 15-5-2009 by letthereaderunderstand]

Originally posted by Soloist

Originally posted by SPreston
Why must you lie? letthereaderunderstand did not even describe Harley Guy at all in that 1st thread OP did he?

Yawn. I wasn't lying, unfortunately for you there is no way of erasing the original post or thread, it's there for all to see, I posted the quotes, the "first identification" was done by what was seen, the OP states that in the post. You can twist all you like, but it's all there.

In all fairness, the verbage I used would lead one to think it came through sight. Even though I have stated many times that "if you close your eyes and listen they are the same" or "I never got it through seeing, but rather hearing", I can see how you could become confused.

Though he did look familiar to me and I have stated that, honestly I wouldn't of placed him through sight other then similarity. His face has been too altered for exact Id, hence he is safe in saying that it is "100% NOT me". Technically it is not him, just as "Freddy" is not Robert Englund or as the "Joker" is not Heath Ledger, but rather an actor in make-up just like Riggle with a face altering, hence this thread.

I should of stated I had the video playing, but instead I said I was watching. I admit I said that, but again I've stated many times it didn't come through vision. If you would like to consider that a win, I take no offense. It really has nothing to do with fox covering up news anyway.

SPreston stood up for me, because I have made clear that I heard the similarity through out both of the threads. If anyone is subject to being foul it is me and not him.

Peace

Originally posted by letthereaderunderstand
I've already answered this. See Post on previous page.

Thank you for taking the time to read.

Peace

edit

Another thing. Was he recognizable in 2001? Did you know of Riggle in 2001?

2006 was probably the first time I ever heard of him.

If you knew of him in 2001, you must of lived in New York and followed the Upright Citizens Brigade otherwise he was unknown at the time, why not use him especially in the capacity his position gave as PAO (Public Affairs Officer). He would of been first choice...see COIN manual above.

[edit on 15-5-2009 by letthereaderunderstand]

Actually, yes I did know the UCB rather well both on-tv and off. Thank you for taking the time to understand simple reasoning. Even if I did not know what he looked like in 2001, are you saying 5 years completely changes the shape and build of a person, ie proportions of parts to each other and so on?

reply to post by letthereaderunderstand

• Follow the policies of higher HQ and PAO for media interviews.

Hmmm. That would be the 9-11 OFFICIAL STORY would it not?

Originally posted by evil incarnate

Originally posted by letthereaderunderstand
I've already answered this. See Post on previous page.

Thank you for taking the time to read.

Peace

edit

Another thing. Was he recognizable in 2001? Did you know of Riggle in 2001?

2006 was probably the first time I ever heard of him.

If you knew of him in 2001, you must of lived in New York and followed the Upright Citizens Brigade otherwise he was unknown at the time, why not use him especially in the capacity his position gave as PAO (Public Affairs Officer). He would of been first choice...see COIN manual above.

[edit on 15-5-2009 by letthereaderunderstand]

Actually, yes I did know the UCB rather well both on-tv and off. Thank you for taking the time to understand simple reasoning. Even if I did not know what he looked like in 2001, are you saying 5 years completely changes the shape and build of a person, ie proportions of parts to each other and so on?

WAIT, STOP THE PRESS

You followed UCB on stage?....You "know the UCB rather well both on-tv and off?" Evil, do you understand what you just admitted? Do you understand that means you have conflicting interests in regards to the truth of the matter since you "Know them rather well"? If then, you know them rather well, how would we know your true intentions here? You never did address the fact that you joined this site after the OP went up. It went up on the 14th of April and you joined ATS on the 27th of April. You never did confirm what you did for a living after stating you didn't need to take instructions from an "armchair video enthusiast" or something to that affect even when asked about it by myself. This is quite a revelation about you...thanks.

Below is what I was going to ask you till I looked at your response a little closer, but since you revealed that you "know them rather well", don't worry about answering my question. You already did. I'll just leave it for the record....Peace

Evil, do you not see the title of this thread? Why will you not address the fact that his image is altered? You seem to skip right over that fact every time it is brought up even being the point of the thread. I haven't seen one reply from you in regards to this, even after you hinted that you do some sort of video/film work which remains a hint, unless I missed it. I can cop to mistakes, but you can't even cop to evidence shown you?

You asked if I knew what you did for a living and that you didn't need to listen to an "armchair amateur video enthusiast" or something to that effect, yet you don't state what qualifies you, let alone address that the footage of Harley man is altered.

I understand admitting this puts a hole in your "non" evidence, as you have supplied nothing but your opinion, but how can we have a conversation if you won't even address the point of the thread and instead just keep saying it doesn't look like him? I've even stated that it doesn't look exactly like him due to the footage alteration, yet you don't even address it, even though it has been said multiple times and in fact is the point of this thread. What gives man?

If you're an expert, look at the footage and stop dancing around the question. The question is this. How can you be sure it is not Riggle when his face has not only been photo shopped, but has had a square placed over it? His voice is an exact match. His face has been altered. How can you be sure while not offering anything other then your opinion? Have you posted voice analysis? Have you posted pics or video analysis? Did I miss your response in regards to alteration of the footage, the very point to this thread or do you simply not wish to comment? Come on already.

We all know your opinion backed up with nothing more then your opinion. Do you have anything else? If so, please post it or address the question at very least. I know you don't think Riggle is HM, as does everyone else. I don't know why you won't address the actual evidence. Care to enlighten us?

I invite everyone to Evil Incarnates only post.

[edit on 15-5-2009 by letthereaderunderstand]

Originally posted by letthereaderunderstand


WAIT, STOP THE PRESS

You followed UCB on stage?....You "know the UCB rather well both on-tv and off?" Evil, do you understand what you just admitted? Do you understand that means you have conflicting interests in regards to the truth of the matter since you "Know them rather well"?

Are you really this desperate for an argument? I guess I just took for granted that you were smart enough to read in the context of what I was responding to that I did not mean that I was friends with everyone who was ever a member. You said it as if it would have been impossible to know who they were and any of the people that were players in the group. Well, it is not.

Originally posted by letthereaderunderstand
You asked if I knew what you did for a living and that you didn't need to listen to an "armchair amateur video enthusiast" or something to that effect, yet you don't state what qualifies you, let alone address that the footage of Harley man is altered.

Why do I need to address it? It has obviously been altered but there is still clear footage available isn't there?

I understand admitting this puts a hole in your "non" evidence, as you have supplied nothing but your opinion, but how can we have a conversation if you won't even address the point of the thread and instead just keep saying it doesn't look like him? I've even stated that it doesn't look exactly like him due to the footage alteration, yet you don't even address it, even though it has been said multiple times and in fact is the point of this thread. What gives man?

I have addressed it more than once.

If you're an expert, look at the footage and stop dancing around the question. The question is this. How can you be sure it is not Riggle when his face has not only been photo shopped, but has had a square placed over it?

You claim his face has been photoshopped? That is not exactly what has been done to his face but whatever. How do you know what has been done under the square?

Why do you avoid my questions?

How does what they did to his face change his entire body shape, build, and proportion of head to shoulders to neck? I believe I asked this at least once.

His voice is an exact match.

It is? When and where was this proven and what software was used?

His face has been altered. How can you be sure while not offering anything other then your opinion? Have you posted voice analysis? Have you posted pics or video analysis? Did I miss your response in regards to alteration of the footage, the very point to this thread or do you simply not wish to comment? Come on already.

Yes, you have missed it. That or forgotten it. What exactly do you think you have as proof? How dare you attempt to call me out for not backing anything up when my EVIDENCE is the same as yours. The exact same crap that has already been put up as far as images and video go, is the same thing I would hold up to say NO. So what proof do you expect me to have? Where is your proof? You are the one dead set on convicting the man based on your opinion and nothing else.

We all know your opinion backed up with nothing more then your opinion. Do you have anything else? If so, please post it or address the question at very least. I know you don't think Riggle is HM, as does everyone else. I don't know why you won't address the actual evidence. Care to enlighten us?

Please read back a little bit. Stop rambling about how I never addressed the question and have no proof and see the many times I addressed that exact question and then show me your proof.

I invite everyone to Evil Incarnates only post.

I only made one post? That is a link to my thread. What does that have to do with anything here? What is your point in bringing that up?


[edit on 15-5-2009 by evil incarnate]

Guys, I'm done with this.

Evil...I'm sorry. You are right. Peace to you.

Bro, you are right...congrats on the find. I could really care less any more, this has done nothing but hurt people. I heard what I heard and posted it for everyone to make up their own decisions.

You've obviously been working for ever to nail this guy humphrey and I will not stand in your way other then to say, I wish Riggle and Humphrey peace and I'm sorry to both of you.

Truthers, I'm sorry, I don't mean to let you down, but I don't find any good in this anymore. I didn't want fame, recognition, I didn't even want HM, Riggle, or Humphrey or whoever it is to get in trouble. I didn't think that through very well, thinking finding the truth was more important. Sometimes it is not. I can't bring those people back, I can't give anyone answers, I can't bring down the perps of 9-11, all I've done is hurt Riggle and Humphery and even this guy Ozzy and more so, the movement, causing people to argue over my personal speculation rather then the facts. I don't want to hurt anyone else.

If this has caused either of you harm, I can not say I'm sorry enough. I just wanted to find some answers for the stupid reason so many had to die. They were part of me, those people, everyone of them. I never meant to hurt more people. I'm ashamed of myself and hope that if you read this in context, you can somehow forgive me. I understand if you can not. I only wanted answers because it hurt me and my fellow countrymen and so many more.

It hurts to be lied too by the people you trust, but I can't control them. I can only control me, so I am stopping this now because I'm turning into the people I don't trust when I will hurt others with disregard.

I'm sorry.

Ozzy please post this to youtube, your blog or where ever you need to debunk. It is strait from my fingers to you. I welcome you too post and I wish you good luck in what ever you seek to gain.

Peace

Originally posted by letthereaderunderstand
Guys, I'm done with this.

Evil...I'm sorry. You are right. Peace to you.

Gosh, I am really sorry that I did not just jump on your bandwagon and agree with no proof. It seems that I have really caused a stir by simply not agreeing with you that a person you see and hear is not someone else; someone that looks and sounds different.

I have seen one claim of an attempt to use voice analysis software and you claiming the voices are exact matches.

When was that determined and what software was used?

Any other solid 'proof' around here?

NOPE!

Apparently, here at ATS, if you read a thread you are just supposed to support the OP no matter how crazy, unfactual, or lacking in evidence it is. I got it now. I guess I will just have to refuse to play until I get banned for being skeptical of claims made by emotional people who just resort to anger and name calling when they are asked for proof.

Oh, I left out - run away - when asked for proof. It is nice to have your thoughts and opinions but this entire thread is full of people claiming that it most certainly IS Rob Riggle. Imagine if someone read that here and then went and killed him for his involvement in 9/11? Would you feel justified? vidicated? guilty? What if the proof it was not him then surfaces? Then how will you feel?

How about you all just go and ask him. Has anyone here tried that yet? In fact, do not ask, ACCUSE him to his face and see how that goes over.

I understand that youi feel pretty strongly about this and all but is that any reason to throw rationality out the the window? This is still America right? We still have certain rights in the country right? People like you, do you want those rights to go away? Do you think we have too much freedom in America? I really do not understand why ATS has so many with such a "guilty until someone else goes out of their way to prove him innocent" approach to things.

You are not bringing up an interesting point or a thoughtful question. You are just saying that someone was part of the coverup of the murder of 3000 American citizens without anything resembling due process or proof. You would make the Bush/Cheney family so proud!

P.S. Letthereaderunderstand - I answered all of your questions and some more than once. Why is it that you have consistantly avoided my questions and now that I put so many of them in one post together, your response to me is to run away? I guess you do not believe as strongly as you would have wanted us to believe.

[edit on 16-5-2009 by evil incarnate]

However, US Marine Lieutenant Colonel Rob Riggle was indeed stationed in Manhatten on the morning of 9-11, and was a military public affairs officer as a Captain with the New York City Public Affairs. On the next day Riggle was assigned to the bucket brigades working the WTC rubble for 18 days. Perhaps Lieutenant Colonel Riggle might have something to add?

Let's hope the US Marine Corp provided Captain Riggle and the men under his command with proper breathing protection and communication equipment. Many of the valiant NYFD firemen received junk that did not work properly thanks to political hack Rudolph Giuliani.

Capt. Riggle left active duty in the summer of 2000 and immediately joined the Marine Corps Reserves. In the fall of 2001 Capt. Riggle was in New York City. His reserve unit, MTU-17, stationed in Manhattan, were among the first military responders to the attacks on the World Trade Centers. Capt. Riggle was activated from Sept. 12th through the 30th, 2001, where he worked at ground zero moving rubble by hand in the bucket brigades. On November 10th (the Marine Corps birthday) Capt. Riggle received orders back to active duty for one year. He was assigned to Central Command (CENTCOM) in Tampa, Florida.
www.robriggle.com...

Military career
Riggle is a Lieutenant Colonel in the United States Marine Corps Reserve and served in Liberia, Kosovo, and Afghanistan. He is currently a public affairs officer with the New York City Public Affairs unit and is a recipient of the Combat Action Ribbon. He has referred to his military experiences on The Daily Show, often when acting as the show's "Military Analyst", sometimes stating he could kill any other member of the show. He is the only Daily Show cast member to have been in the U.S. military.

In August 2007, Riggle went to Iraq to report for The Daily Show as well as entertain the troops under the purview of the United Service Organizations.

On April 15, 2009, The Daily Show announced that Riggle had been promoted from Major to the rank of Lieutenant Colonel.

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by SPreston
However, US Marine Lieutenant Colonel Rob Riggle was indeed stationed in Manhatten on the morning of 9-11, and was a military public affairs officer as a Captain with the New York City Public Affairs. On the next day Riggle was assigned to the bucket brigades working the WTC rubble for 18 days. Perhaps Lieutenant Colonel Riggle might have something to add?

Is it rerun season already again? This has been said. This has been said over and over again. What proof is it that he was stationed in Manhattan? Do you have any idea how many people were in Manhattan that day? Prove it is him in the video and please stop repeating the same tripe over and over again.

Someone was murdered a street away two weeks ago. I was in my neighborhood at the time. Do you think that would be enough to get a conviction with?

reply to post by evil incarnate


Can't you read? That is Lieutenant Colonel Riggle's own bio on his own website stating he was stationed in Manhatted on 9-11 and working the bucket brigades at the WTC.

Capt. Riggle left active duty in the summer of 2000 and immediately joined the Marine Corps Reserves. In the fall of 2001 Capt. Riggle was in New York City. His reserve unit, MTU-17, stationed in Manhattan, were among the first military responders to the attacks on the World Trade Centers. Capt. Riggle was activated from Sept. 12th through the 30th, 2001, where he worked at ground zero moving rubble by hand in the bucket brigades. On November 10th (the Marine Corps birthday) Capt. Riggle received orders back to active duty for one year. He was assigned to Central Command (CENTCOM) in Tampa, Florida.
www.robriggle.com...