When has a corporation actually screwed you more than the government

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere

A vaccine wont bring back the dead though, will it?

Neither will a pesticide.

This was in the news in 2006:
Malaria trials in Africa

Trouble is, going back to the topic of the thread, that these vaccines are being developed by GlaxoSmithKline, yet another massive chemicals corporation! Ladies and gents, it appears that we're trapped.

Ok so according to many of you, all the corporations are doing some immoral, unethical stuff. They violate the laws. So why isnt your wonderful government making them behave themselves?

The government doesn't have to do anything to stop the corporations. That is in the jurisdiction of the courts. Then you need a ton of money to go after them that is ater waiting through two years of legal ramblings.

LLC's. They give indivuals the right to act like a big corporation. For example, in Tempe Arizona s small LLC, Arizona Power and Sound collected 40,000 from a guy, took his brand new car in his shop and four days later the landlord put a lock on the door. The only thing the guy could do is sue the corporation. The corporation robbed everyone and the single person is off scott free! Meanwhile this corporate owner paid off all of his personal debts and was in Mexico drinking Mai Tais. Nobody could touch him. A LLC is great for con artists.

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I will give you that guy was probably a con artist. He could have done that as a propietorship or an LLC or a fake company for that matter. Also, I am pretty sure there are laws to extradite someone who commited a crime.

It very well be that the person who lost their stuff was responsible because they signed a contract they didnt understand or didnt read.

But you never answered if there are no corporations or llc's or whatever, how is anything going to get accomplished?

What is the difference between right and wrong, after all it is just a reference. You are all confused. Let me give you an analogy. A philasopher was walking through some farms in old days. He saw a bull going round and round running a water wheel. The bull had a bell hanging around its neck. The Philasopher asked the farmer why he had the bell around the neck of the bull. Farmer replied, the sound of the bell would tell him that the bull is working. The Philasopher said, what if the bull stop working and just moving the neck to keep the bell ringing. Farmer said that his bull is not a philasopher like him to think so deep and lose the sight. It is simple. If the Government wouldn't have been party to the whole scenario. Things never would have got out of control. It all started from the time of Reagan. When Jimmy Carter was President Banks wanted high interest rates, Oil Companies wanted $ 2/00 a gallon price for Gas. Coffee importers created shortage of coffee beans. Corporations wanted 10% labor cost reduction. Jimmy Carter being the honest president said that if he had to do it, it would be across the board. Media never explained it to the Public what it meant as they were in bed with Bilderberg. The next president Reagan conspired with Secret Society and did it in style. Does anybody know what those changes were. And why would you care. You were all asleep. Did any one of you voted for Ralph Nader or third party. Did you even bothered to go on Ralph Naders page to read about other candidates. 80% of world oil production is in control of American Corporations and Chevron is in the forefront of Oil Cartel owned by Rockfellor family. Senior bush allowed Chevron to buy Amoco making it the world largest corporation. Junior bush not only collected from Oil companies but also from Pharmaceutical companies. It was all written in Ralph Naders page when junior Bush was running for presidency. Remember a Mafia knows the language of Mafia. Decent people resort to law but a Mafia use the power of their gun. There is no other way around to differentiate between right and wrong, it is simple. Give you an example. Nike makes shoes for $ 2/00 a pair. A fair profit margin would be 10%. So they should be selling that shoe to Americans for $ 2/20. You all know how much they charge. Is it right or wrong. The government should collect hefty import duties from Nike to balance the price with home made shoes. But the government is in bed with the Corporation. Like Mafia they have their own commission to collect. Do they care about you and me. Absolutely not. Utilities were created with our Tax dollars, Politicians fooled us in the name of privitization and passed on the assets to their Comrads. I see slavery incroaching. If we don't start revolution, it is already late. Our tax dollars are spent against us to control us.

But the point people seem to miss is that you can choose to not buy that overpriced pair of shoes from Nike. But a $2.00 pair or whatever you think is a fair price. If no one buys Nike shoes then they change their behavior or go out of business.

And really cant we all agree that if you buy a $200 pair of shoes it is nobodies fault but your own. Nobody made you buy them.

With corps we have the control simply by not buying their product anymore. With governments once you give them the power you never get it back.

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When they act like pimps to whore away the politicians that are elected by the people and for the people.

Our system of government was taken a long time ago by corporate rats so they can screw the tax payer at will.

Don't believe me? then you have not been keeping with the financial institutions bail out fraud at all.

Wake up most of your politicians are owned by private interest.

Have a couple million dollars? then you can buy yourself a politician and have things done your way.

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I totally agree. Most politicians are bought and paid for. If you owned a business and could afford to do so you would probably try to do the same thing before your competitors do. Its survival of the fittest.

The problem is not that corporation buy politicians, its that we dont police our politicians and companies and hold them accountable for the fact that THEY ARE BREAKING THE LAW.

Plus someone please answer my question. If businesses dont exist how is anything going to get accomplished?

It seems to me we have to choose between the lesser of two evils. Government control of everything or corporate investement. Unless someone has a better idea.

PS> Marg if those are your feet they are super sexy!

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Our system is build in capitalism and capitalism is to benefit all in the nation, but in the US capitalism has gone corrupted, business dictate the laws while paying politicians and laws that has been enacted to protect the citizens and business from becoming too corrupted has been ignored by politicians because they has been pay out to do it.

We need businesses but what we have now in the nation is inequality, corruption and oppression when it comes to the tax payer paying for the mistakes of corrupted business practices, because they have the money to pay out politicians.





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I totally agree. How do you think we should go about fixing the corrupt companies that our out there as well as the corrupt politicians. I definitely think that we shouldnt have bailed them out. They should live and die by their choices like the rest of it. It may have meant hard times for all of us for a few year, but we would have been wiser in the end.

Plus, I am a big fan of the Chinese system of executing corrupt businessmen and politicians. I think that helps them put their choices in perspective. I lost a crap load of money on WorldCom a few years back and I think it would have been fair if they hung Bernie Ebers on his bizzilion acre ranch he bought with WorldCom money.

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I will not go as far as the death by honor but I will be very happy is all those corrupted in the business world will get a day in court.

But as you has seen that will never happen, because for every fat rat in corporate America is a bigger fat rat working in government for them.

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Well I think a death sentence for cooking your books and swindling people of their money or for politicians who take bribes would do a lot to give people some faith in the system

You know it helps them put things in perspective. Do I need more stolen money to buy an extra house or do I need my head attached to my shoulders.
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Well to start most "Loan" contracts are illegal for numerous reasons you can research. Interest is certainly immoral. Corporations became a privilege class after the civil war and treated somewhat like humans but with a far superior ability to hid their real ownership and accountability. Corporations murder and get fined and/or some jail time for the front men while people murder and get hung. Corporations collaborate more willingly with the Fed on such things as tax collecting (deductions) which is completely illegal. ....

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How is interest immoral? You have to charge interest. It costs money to make a loan, sometimes you dont get repaid, etc... Anytime you take on risk you deserve to be rewarded.

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".... a high class muscle man for Big Business , for Wall Street and the bankers "

Major General Smedley Butler .

Extract from his book, War Is A Racket . 1935

"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.

I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914.

I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in.

I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street.

I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912.

I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916.

I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903.

In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested.

Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents."

I have posted that extract before , but it is worth repeating ......as a major general / and a two time receiptiant of the Medal Of Honour his words carry a certain weight , even after his demise.

source


War Is A Racket

Fisher and Paykel aka FP.

They set up shop in New Zealand, made a rather successful company and employed lots of local labour to produce fridges, washing machines and other kitchen whitewear.

Now they are shutting plants (and the jobs that go with it) to move production overseas and WANT TAXPAYER MONEY TO KEEP GOING?

I have two words for them and the govt if they support them...

F#$* YOU

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Justsomeboreddude -watch this:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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Thanks for the link. I appreciate it. I am watching right now.

Wow this is really good. Thanks for pointing me to it. I understand where other people are coming from a little better now.

Update:
I watched it all. It was interesting. I did learn some things. It changed my mind a little. I still find it easier to hold a corp accountable then a government, but the thing is some corp is corrupt and most government is corrupt. So I guess we got to find a way around both.

Some of its a little over the top. Michael Moore is still a fat idiot

All in all thanks for pointing me to that. It was educational.

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Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
Dont you think they would go out of business if they didnt manufacture overseas where they can produce things cheaper due to less taxes and less regulation and lower wages. If they didnt produce in another country someone else would and would undercut their cost and drive them out of business. So they have taken the lesser of 2 evils. They produce out of country but keep all the companies higher end jobs in this country, as opposed to everyone in the company loosing their job when they go out of business. That is just how I see it. How do you see it.

This is a must see documentary for a person to understand "The Corporation"

Google Video Link

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Do you really believe corporations go overseas for slave labor so they can survive? Corporations are a bottom line machine. Its what they do best. They didnt go overseas because they could not compete they did it to increase profits and lower the bottom line. They do not pass the savings so much onto you but they put it in the executives pockets.

How do you think Americas corporations got along before they went overseas? You really need to educate yourself on this and not get your opinion from the mainstream media they are selling you something you do not want to buy.







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I see someone else already linked you up to this documentary. I will leave it up for others to see.

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Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
I keep hearing people on here talk about how we should let government build this or buy that or do this or do that. They are things that should be done by private investment. For instance, The highspeed/light rail system that President Obama proposes.

I am really curious to see how many people have been screwed by corporations or enslaved by them or all the other evil things some people on here seem to think they do.

So here is your chance to blast the corporations so you can teach me how evil they are.

My insurance company - kept billing me after I sent in a cancelation notice - they gave me a confirmation # but then claimed it was not legit... cost me $500.

BALLY's - a Bally's employee said he had to get some thing when I was signing my MEMBERSHIP - went in the other room switched the contract - I didn't notice until
I got home - Bally's did nothing and did not fire the employee and I am being ripped off
for something I did not AGREE to.

My father is charged $30,000.00 for 30 anti nausea pills - because of chemo

$60,000 for the chemo - $2,000 a pill

Kaiser denied my mother an MRI after she fell 15 feet on to a stone floor - she walked around two months with a broken shoulder, in pain every minute of all those days...

Walmart does not pay a working wage so WE ALL have to pay for the PEONS who wait until they get severly ill and go to the doctor on the TAX dime

+ higher premiums

I have many more... Could care less for the corporate shilling BTW

The government has never screwed me personally - or my family

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