When has a corporation actually screwed you more than the government

I keep hearing people on here talk about how we should let government build this or buy that or do this or do that. They are things that should be done by private investment. For instance, The highspeed/light rail system that President Obama proposes.

I am really curious to see how many people have been screwed by corporations or enslaved by them or all the other evil things some people on here seem to think they do.

So here is your chance to blast the corporations so you can teach me how evil they are.

They're exporting jobs and manufacturing to save money. We're all going to be screwed if we don't start manufacturing more.

Monsanto would seem a fine example of corporate America exerting a sort of choke hold on private citizens... farmers, specifically.

In a nutshell:
Farmer "A" plants Monsanto-engineered seeds. Pollen from his crop drifts over Farmer "B"'s and pollinates portions of the same. As a result, Farmer "B" is now subject to potential legal issues with Monsanto for attempting to sell or replant that which can be demonstrated to contain a™genetically-engineered product.

One of but Many examples...

The FED.

Shame a post needs more characters, sometimes being minimalistic amplifies the message.....

reply to post by Curious_Agnostic

Thanks for posting.
Dont you think they would go out of business if they didnt manufacture overseas where they can produce things cheaper due to less taxes and less regulation and lower wages. If they didnt produce in another country someone else would and would undercut their cost and drive them out of business. So they have taken the lesser of 2 evils. They produce out of country but keep all the companies higher end jobs in this country, as opposed to everyone in the company loosing their job when they go out of business. That is just how I see it. How do you see it.

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Thanks for posting. Keep going with examples if you have time. That was a very good example and makes a very good point. How would you resolve this issue with Monsanto, because I agree that it is wrong that they can do that.

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Originally posted by mortje
The FED.

Shame a post needs more characters, sometimes being minimalistic amplifies the message.....

I agree sometimes less is more. In my mind that FED doesnt count as a corporation as much as it is a political institution disguised as a corp. They play by a different set of rules than the rest of the corps. Its more of quasi government / corporation type of abomination.

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Every pesticide company there is! Because of them, ecosystems get destroyed when vital links are cut out! Honeybees and other pollinators die off when exposed to these, meaning plants get pollinated a lot less, so we now have to rely on genetic modification! They're probably in league, just to reap the profits whilst killing the planet! Graaaaah!

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So you would rather not use pesticides and thus lower crop yeilds which would probably mean there wouldnt be enough food to go around? Its ok if you think that. Its just a trade off.

Once they made the corporation a separate entity with its own liability, the people thought (rightly) that they would be able to do anything to increase profit. And I mean anything, including assassination, stock scams, promoting insurrections, falsifying test data, slavery, I could go on and on.

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Please go on and on and on. Can you give some examples of this actually happening? I really want to know so please add what you can. But you can skip the stock scam thing. I think we all know that happens.



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Wal-Mart / Target

These stores move into an area and almost immediately shuts down all small retail business including grocery stores and markets. In turn you now have to shop at one of these mega marts and buy Chinese made junk that is full of lead and other toxic chemicals. Then after loosing your business to these corporate mega marts, you have to make a living by working there for almost minimum wage and crap benefits b/c it is the only job available in your small town. I could type all day about this!!!!_javascript:icon('')

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You have a point there. I guess the government does share some responsibility for that. If they would spend our tax dollars more wisely then they probably wouldn't have to ask for so much, although it still may be hard to compete with the cost of doing business in other countries. I'm not sure what the solution would be to that problem.

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Can you prove there is a difference? Is the UNITED STATES a government or a corporation? I remember reading the District of Columbia and Organic Act of 1871 being the establishment of The United States as a corporation. Please respond.

I am really curious to see how many people have been screwed by corporations or enslaved by them or all the other evil things some people on here seem to think they do.

corporations have no interest in slavery.

you need to buy, house, feed, control, manage and protect a slave, it is an asset that requires an interest.

you need to pay an employee a subsistence wage and maintain them only to the level you are compelled.

employees are far better than slaves on a cost benefit analysis, especially where you can move manufacturing to a country that has little interest in compelling you to maintain the wellbeing of those employees.

I didn't think that there was that much of a separation to say 'more than'. The government is being used as a tool so the corporations can screw us legally whether it be patents, trade agreements, contracts, etc. and the use of law enforcement and military resources to ensure minimal interference from citizens.

Originally posted by Mudman21
Wal-Mart / Target

These stores move into an area and almost immediately shuts down all small retail business including grocery stores and markets. In turn you now have to shop at one of these mega marts and buy Chinese made junk that is full of lead and other toxic chemicals. Then after loosing your business to these corporate mega marts, you have to make a living by working there for almost minimum wage and crap benefits b/c it is the only job available in your small town. I could type all day about this!!!!_javascript:icon('

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I understand what you are saying. I see this more as Walmart/Target have found a more efficient way to deliver products and so they are going to win. Its not really their fault. Its really the consumers fault who chose to buy cheaper products at the cost of loosing their local retailers who are more expensive. Its a free market and so the consumer is voting with their purchase.

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Very good point. You are correct IMO. It is way more cost effective to have employees than to have slaves. One slaves cant buy your products thus giving your money back.

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Ok well you can do the reading yourself, just google the United Fruit Company for starters, and check out how many South American leaders were assassinated for wanting to kick them out of their countries. See also Economic Hit Men.

As for the slavery part, how about Nike, among others, and their sweatshops.

Monsanto convicted of false advertising of Roundup for presenting Roundup as biodegradable and claiming that it left the soil clean after use. On two occasions the United States Environmental Protection Agency has caught scientists deliberately falsifying test results at research laboratories hired by Monsanto to study glyphosate.

en.wikipedia.org...

Yo boreddude,

You're right, it is such a tricky tradeoff, my beef is about the indiscriminate spraying policy which kills everything and turns everything into an ecological desert. Problem is, birds and other larger creatures usually eat the bugs, keeping their numbers in check, but spray the bugs away, and you lose all of the other creatures. So if they stopped spraying, there wouldn't be the natural predators... Damned if you do, damned if you don't!