Why I dont buy the "tea party" protests

reply to post by Southern Guardian



I'm the organizer of a tea party in my area. I'm doing my best to keep our party non-partisan. In fact, I have invited all of the political parties around here to have tables at the event IF they think they their party espouses fiscal responsibility. I'll leave that for them to judge. I do know for a fact that The Constitution Party will be there as will The Campaign for Liberty.

I do hear, from my republican friends, a constant roar about money but not about infringements on our liberties. They don't appear to be nearly as concerned about fascism and they are socialism. I'm concerned with both.

I'll be calling on the people at the tea party to remember that they are Americans before they are Republicans, Democrats or Vulcan. We will have a petition to send to congress with regards to spending and another petition to send to our state legislature with regards to state sovereignty.

Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
That is nothing new and you know it. If you recall, during the last 8 years, if you didnt support Bush and his administration there was a good chance that you would be called a name such as Anti-American, Terrorist, Socialist etc...

I didn't say it was new. I said it was occurring more frequently since the election, and from what I have seen it has.

Don't think for one second that you are so special that you are the only political group to be called names. Because you are not.

Never said I was did I. There are many people on this site that have been catching it from both sides for not standing perfectly in line. It's completely asinine.

Bottom line is, There are alot of crooked politicians on BOTH sides of the fence and untill we weed them out, this country is going to hell in a hand basket.

Agreed. Unfortunately, people keep voting for the same politicians over and over again and then wonder why nothing changes.

reply to post by Southern Guardian

Lie. He said throughout primaries troop withdrawal by 2011 and he is yet to break any promise.

lie huh? might want to check your facts! straight from his campaign website.

CLINTON, Iowa -- Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is calling for the immediate withdrawal of all U.S. combat brigades from Iraq, with the pullout being completed by the end of next year.

"Let me be clear: There is no military solution in Iraq and there never was," Obama was expected to say in a speech Wednesday at Ashford University.

"The best way to protect our security and to pressure Iraq's leaders to resolve their civil war is to immediately begin to remove our combat troops. Not in six months or one year _ now," the Illinois senator was to say.

He introduced legislation last January calling for withdrawal to start on May 1 and for all combat brigades to be pulled out by March 31, 2008.

www.barackobama.com...

the rest of your mindless rant is just as hypocritical as you are. why don't you get a life and a job and quit watching so much TV. and quit believing your partisan BS. NOT EVERYONE THAT DISAGREES WITH OBAMA IS A RIGHT WING "FRINGER" AS YOU CLAIM AND YOU PAINT THAT BRUSH PRETTY WIDELY! AND NOT EVERYONE THAT DISAGREES WITH OBAMA TODAY SUPPORTED BUSH JR. OR HIS POLICIES EITHER

Oh yeah don't bother to reply because you have earned my first Ignore on this site.


The tea parties started off as a good idea, but the extremists on BOTH Sides have diluted the message the tea parties were meant to deliver!

reply to post by David9176


Hey david I fully understand there are some true conservatives and Paulers in those protests who have real concerns who clash with Obamas policies but they are a small minority. I just get real frustrated when there are fakers out there who do little more than promote the same old neocon ideas.

No offense but the constitutional protests have been hijacked by a bunch of fakers. Maybe Paulers feel its their only way to make numbers, but must one sacrifice their true standing for numbers?

Reagan fired hundreds of Air Traffic Controllers.
Talk about infringement of rights-yet Republicans don't mind that.
Yet when Obama requests that the incompetent head of GM step down
they scream bloody murder.
Same old hypocrisy ad infinitum.
Unless there is consistency in cognizance of the problems.
These insincere Tea Parties will just invoke a national yawn.

Originally posted by Jenna
So I'm a "fringer" because I pointed out that the name-calling has gotten more frequent? You obviously haven't read my other post in this thread where I clearly state that if I must be labeled, my label would be liberal.

You still are yet to actually reply to the OP Jenna. Are you defending these individuals and groups and their involvement in these tea party protests or not? Cut the dodging.

On the contrary, the ones you describe are not heard at all regardless of what facts they provide or evidence. They are simply ignored and called names.

What facts? Th imaginary fact from fringe blogs claiming "socialism" and "birth certificates"? The kind of facts that dont hold any grounds? When fringers actually start coming up with reasonable arguments maybe then they will be taken seriously beyond the imaginary grounds of the blogosphere.

Honestly I didn't expect to. Much easier to point fingers and name call than to answer a simple question. I merely asked in the hopes that you would clarify what a "fringer" is to you. It has become quite apparent though that a "fringer" is anyone who doesn't think exactly the way you do.

Still has not replied to the information within the OP folks.

The ironic thing is that I'm not the pot in this scenario. Your OP was more of a rant than anything

My "rant" as you put it had the facts to back it up. If its some simple rant why do you continue to push it aside and ignore the content? Again, what is your explanation regarding the groups and their involvement in these tea party protests? Are you not concerned this has become a neocon fest? Or do you agree with them? Can you make up your mind and reply to the OP?

Sorry you don't like my response

You didnt give any response to the content provided in the OP.

which was to basically point out the hypocrisy of either side pointing fingers and laying blame and point out how little sense it makes to paint everyone with the same brush just because they disagree with you, which you have attempted to do yet again.

Same brush? Why dont you cut painting yourselves in the same brush. Your walking hand in hand with neocons, white nationalists and former patriot act Iraq war supportive politicians, the same politicians that voted against impeachment of Bush, and your accuse me of painting you in the same bush?

Again are you defending the individuals and the groups in the OP with their involvement in these protests or not?

reply to post by Mercenary2007


So your denying Obama ever stated that his official standing would be troops out by 2011? Just making sure this is what your saying.

Originally posted by Ron Paul Girl
I'm the organizer of a tea party in my area. I'm doing my best to keep our party non-partisan.

Well thats good to hear, I really hope you will atleast be trying, although I doubt the actual protests will be any of the sort. But I really do commend you for atleast trying to take the high ground.

Hopefully your protests will not be hijacked.

[edit on 12-4-2009 by Southern Guardian]

"So do the agendas behind these protests go even further? Well to further the hypocrisy of fringers behind these protests there has always been talk from fringers that "they have nothing to do with republicans, or Bush, and the neocon agenda all these years" and that liberals were to blame for Bushes win in 2000 and 2004 These folks had nothing to do with Bush over the last 8years ?? .... "

WTF? God, you'd have to be a moron to believe that...

You know what, scratch that. Americans will buy anything. I could be President and on TV, shoot 5 people and say someone else did it, and I'd have my followers.

reply to post by Southern Guardian


your the one that keeps saying all through the campaign he was saying 2011 and you were just proven to be wrong and now your trying to spin it to his "official Standing?"

he has changed his stance so many times on everything not just troop withdrawl. and you continue to support him. when are you going to realize that Obama is a politician and will say whatever he thinks needs said to get peoples votes. and once he wins like any politician all those "promises" he made during the campaign don't mean sh**!

SG i think its time you took a break from the Internet,TV, liberial radio talk shows and get some fresh air. your blind faith in Obama has made you a hypocrite and honestly your better than that!

Edit to ADD: SG i do agree with some of your points in your OP and yes the people that want the true message of the "tea parties" to be heard needs to make sure that the bad apples from both sides and not allowed to hijack the protest.

And honestly it doesn't take a million people to change the world It only takes 1 person with the right message and to stay true to that message to change things!

[edit on 4/13/2009 by Mercenary2007]

Originally posted by Mercenary2007
your the one that keeps saying all through the campaign he was saying 2011 and you were just proven to be wrong and now your trying to spin it to his "official Standing?"

This was in 2007, and towards the end of 2007 he changed it to withdrawal by 2011. Through the primaries his been saying that, and its been for a year. The very fact you have to go back 2007 shows your running out of things to accuse the man of.

His been for 2011 for over a year and nobody here complained about that, until it became apparent he was going to actually fulfill that as another promise of his, thats when fringers began diving into 2007. How pathetic

Heres a question, can you find Obama actually saying he'll have troops out right away in 2009 during the primaries?

he has changed his stance so many times on everything not just troop withdrawl. and you continue to support him. when are you going to realize that Obama is a politician and will say whatever he thinks needs said to get peoples votes. and once he wins like any politician all those "promises" he made during the campaign don't mean sh**!

This thread originally had little to do specifically with Obama. This thread started out about the individuals and groups involved in these tea parties and their histories. You folks seem reluctant to directly answer the OP and are going off topic. Again, please counter the OP directly.

SG i think its time you took a break from the Internet,TV

I think its time for you to wake up and see the individuals and groups behind these tea parties.

your blind faith in Obama has made you a hypocrite and honestly your better than that!

Obama has made me happy as a supporter, and its not even a year into his term. Im satisfied with where he moving the nation. The current improvement economically is good enough for me. Hope things continue as they are.

[edit on 13-4-2009 by Southern Guardian]

Originally posted by Southern Guardian

I am sorry I sound bitter, maybe when you folks actually start taking out the bad weeds in this movement of yours I may be a little more convinced your any different.

SG.

Your not sorry, your saying what you believe.

So are the ppl attending the Tea parties.

You don't like them, and they don't like you.

As for ppl that you might want to get rid of you might start
with asking Pelosi to not march along side the NAMBLA ppl.

Good Luck with that...

Originally posted by Ex_MislTech
Your not sorry, your saying what you believe.

No I am sorry. I feel sorry for those true constitutionalists who have had their movement hijacked by the same ol' neoconservative crowd. Dont agree with Paulers, dont agree with true libertarians, but I do understand the things they stand for. Kudos to them. Theres just a bunch of fakers posing as them, and im not buying it.

So are the ppl attending the Tea parties.
You don't like them, and they don't like you.

The people at the tea parties with all this hate know nothing of real tea parties, and are just left overs of the last neoconservative movement.

As for ppl that you might want to get rid of you might start
with asking Pelosi to not march along side the NAMBLA ppl.

Well thats a pritty big accusation of yours there. Heres the difference, I didnt see "NAMBLA" protesting with us during the anti-war rallies over the last 8years, better yet I dont see Pelosi ever having to walk with us during those protests, infact most rallies confronted Pelosi at her house. The speakers at our rallies were anti war and had voted against the war. They were not hypocrites for being at those rallies.

[edit on 13-4-2009 by Southern Guardian]

Southern Guardian, what do you want? If you couldn't be bothered to follow Bush blindly, then why do you ask us to follow Obama Blindly?

Also can you please get rid of your signature? it pales in camparison to Obama's spending numbers.

Are you saying we have no reason to be concerned? A recent poll was released that asked people what kind of government system they liked, and off the top of my head the results where:

56% Capitalism
27% Communism
17% Undecided

Is that NOT scarry?

When people voted in Obama, they didnt litterly ask for Democracy to be thrown out the window! They asked for Less spending, Fix for the economy, and less corruption. None is being delivered.

Im too lazy to look up your past posts Southern Guardian, but I'm probally right in guessing that you too, support Communism.

reply to post by Electricneo


Straw man argument there; air traffic controllers are under the FAA (which of course is a branch of the Federal Government) and they had agreed NOT to strike BEFORE taking the job because of its critical nature. GM is a private business that has been taken over by the government; by definition socialism. Of course, with the other actions having been taken by our last two Presidents, it does indeed look more like the begining of fascism.


[edit on 4/13/2009 by SGTChas]

Originally posted by Ferris.Bueller.II
Gotta love it when the Clintonista left wingers start talking that protests are un-American, after their actions the 8 years previously.

If that is not the most clever switch a roo I have ever read...

UnAmerican???

"Disingenious"


- I hope "Left Wingers" would hesitate to use that Wonderous term
coined by the Neocon/FOX consortium...

"Un American""

"Un Patriots"

Thats all you baby...

I would say it is like turning on the garden hose after the house is a smoldering pile -
WHAT A GALENT EFFORT

Oh you are soooo PATRIOTICAL

I just can't take you serious folks

When you all have a righty in office you are the govs best friend -

being

"VILGELENT"

"STEADFAST"

"RESOLUTE"

"REAL AMERICANS"

Now four months latter where is all that hooey???

Where???

Three dollar bill if you ask me

Eventually you will elect JEB or PALIN and the government will be good



You couldn't write this stuff, looking like l a load of helmut wearing fools from my spot.

Originally posted by Mikeyy
Southern Guardian, what do you want? If you couldn't be bothered to follow Bush blindly, then why do you ask us to follow Obama Blindly?

Also can you please get rid of your signature? it pales in camparison to Obama's spending numbers.

Are you saying we have no reason to be concerned? A recent poll was released that asked people what kind of government system they liked, and off the top of my head the results where:

56% Capitalism
27% Communism
17% Undecided

Is that NOT scarry?

When people voted in Obama, they didnt litterly ask for Democracy to be thrown out the window! They asked for Less spending, Fix for the economy, and less corruption. None is being delivered.

Im too lazy to look up your past posts Southern Guardian, but I'm probally right in guessing that you too, support Communism.

Since you seem to be new to ATS

please define the term COMMUNISM for all of us...

If you are ACTUALLY concerned do you think bringing the word COMMUNISM is going to bring about a measured and meaningful debate?

This is not directed at you per say

But this Communism crap is the same as Terrorist Lover, UnAmerican... yada ya

you are using heated buzz words that lead to fighting, MEANT to stall real debate folks.


Wanting a better, more cost effective form of healthcare is not the same as desiring
GOVERNMENT/CITIZEN CONTROL OF PRODUCTION, RESOURCES and INDUSTRY
( COMMUNISM in short sire)

However you CHOOSE to throw the word out there for what??? The word and definition
do not even match the current political context at large. Its a tad dense - its like calling a skateboard a dune buggy - or a helmut a beanie

Hence no different then TERRORIST LOVER - in those glorious days someone who thought the war was a mistake was a TERRORIST LOVER - REMEMBER???

But being against a war is not the same as LOVING a TERRORIST now is it???

might start calling my hand my foot as a tribute to new age of FOXISMS -

BTW I'm gonna clown the hell out of any one who using that damned knee jerk crap again, within the guidelines of ATS censorship of course.

You want real debate and change???

stop falling back on this foolishness

reply to post by Mikeyy


Another fringer who doesnt have the balls to actually directly counter the OP folks. All his been doing is dodging the information and attacking the current administration. The OP has little to do with the current administration and plenty to do with the influencial neocon white nationalist involvement in these protests.

Not once have any of the fringers on here denied to hypocrisies and unconstitutional histories of the individuals and groups I discussed in the OP. Typical, just avoid it.

The protests are nothing more than another neocon fest. Same gun trodding "patriot" throwing bush lovin folk from years back, they are just trying to re-brand themselves... again.


[edit on 13-4-2009 by Southern Guardian]

Originally posted by mental modulator
Wanting a better, more cost effective form of healthcare is not the same as desiring
GOVERNMENT/CITIZEN CONTROL OF PRODUCTION, RESOURCES and INDUSTRY
( COMMUNISM in short sire)

Didn't fascism do that too?

I liked the bumper sticker "WITH FASCISM ON THE RIGHT, COMMUNISM ON THE LEFT, WHERE DOES LIBERTY FIT IN?"

Anyone got the link for that?

Originally posted by Southern Guardian

No I am sorry. I feel sorry for those true constitutionalists who have had their movement hijacked by the same ol' neoconservative crowd. Dont agree with Paulers, dont agree with true libertarians, but I do understand the things they stand for. Kudos to them. Theres just a bunch of fakers posing as them, and im not buying it.

WELL put SG :up

You have summed up my feelings aswell...

It has taken sometime to distill this down for me, but you are getting close.

I also have great respect for Paulers and Libertarians at large. I also fundamentally disagree with the effectiveness of such policies in modern times, none the less I RESPECT the backbone and idealism tremendously.

BUT...

Amongst the ranks of these folks, are the same old folks who are knowingly using circumstance to reintroduce the GOP supreme once again.
NEOCONS and the like who only want to diminish the OTHER SIDE ( PRESIDENT ANTI CHRIST - DEMS )so that the GOP will sweep in and regain control, again.

I mean, it is a great deal for the GOP, ignite the house and complain that the firefighter aren't doing a good job. It is also politically fantastic for the GOP because it would be a miracle if god him self could repair the finely orchestrated mess.

Like I said your tea parties and activism are being used as a tool in order to re thrown the GOP. So its not the sentiment I disagree with, it is the unspoken certainty that stirring the pot is FANTASTIC for yer GOP friends, who will swoosh in and get to the same old work.



SO

the REAL NWO is not governmental folks,

it is CORPORATE- Private individuals who will work in tandem to OWN all you SEE, HEAR, KNOW and ACHIEVE.

A democratically elected government (republic, I know, thanks...) is not a good medium for control because it is not stagnant. The LAWS and RULE OF SUCH a government is the real medium for control... Slowly "THEY" intend to privatize your existence and at some point the LAWS and POLICY will be your master. Your wages will be stagnant because a larger and larger portion of the economy will be under control of the few, BY DESIGN. This control will be exerted as it is now, via TRADE and control of RESOURCES/ LIVELIHOOD.

While you are being lead to the illegal well spring of COMMUNISM... Have you considered that the BRIGHT SIGN labeled "COMMUNISM" is a diversion of sorts???

Last time I checked GLEN BECK had a CARGIL commercial, Followed by a KAISER COMMERCIAL, BP , Burger King and BOFA.....

SO the PTB, these billion dollar organizations are actively funding GLEN BECK so that he can THARWT their agenda???

SERIOUSLY?

The bright sign labeled TERRORISM V. PATRIOTISM lead us to IRAQ... I tried to speak up, but I was apparently not AMERICAN enough... I recall one outlet ( ?????)
that doggedly promoted the war while smashing decent.

Now all of a sudden the same outlet is against the government
and is promoting decent?

The same source that used that particular tactic last time is using the concept of COMMUNISM V. Anti GOVERNMENT this time.

DO you like the path this outlet trail blazed last time? at least a war is only a PROXY TAX.

I'm sorry but to a large degree YOUR movement is being used - completely used so that you get a more "CONSERVATIVE" version of god only knows...

Have fun with JEB or PALIN