Why I dont buy the "tea party" protests

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
You wont be getting any direct answers from me until you actually read the information provided in the OP and you give me an explanation....

You sound like some children I once had to teach.
"I won't," "I am not gonna," wah, wah, and wah.

Those who you all claim that have not given you a response have indeed given you a response, but because it is not what you expected or watned to here, you resort to wah, wah, and wah. To bad that they don't sell internet tissues, I'd buy a few for ya.

because all I see are a bunch of protesting pots calling the tea kettle black.

Considering some of the responses you have given in the past, based upon your post history, you should seriously place yourself among those you are now currently condemning and labeling as pots calling the kettle black. Your a hypocrite denying your own hypocrisy.

[edit on 12-4-2009 by Seekerof]

reply to post by Southern Guardian


Funny how anyone that disagrees with you on this thread is a "neocon", "fringer" or a "white nationalist".

You are right, these protests, like any other, will be drawing every kook out of the woodwork that wants to be heard. Drive past a protest about a new onramp being built, and you'll see that one loner off to the side holding a sign that says, "More skin on 'Love Boat'".

I imagine that the "white nationalists" will be there, but what about the Moveon.org people that are reported to want to come along just to stir up trouble? More right wing propaganda, huh?

Originally posted by jerico65
Funny how anyone that disagrees with you on this thread is a "neocon", "fringer" or a "white nationalist".

Oh I never labelled tea party protestors those above, they did it themselves. Storm front, fox news such as Hannity and O'rielly, republican politicians who cheered on the patriot act, who outright supported the war, who voted against charges to bush regarding the war of lies. I think the individuals in attendance are self evidence. I have no need to label anybody anything, they do it themselves.

You are right, these protests, like any other, will be drawing every kook out of the woodwork that wants to be heard.

Kooks. Id say the vast majority are kooks thankyou.

I imagine that the "white nationalists" will be there

Yes, and you folks will be standing with them, hand and in hand. I need not say more about the true agendas behind the protests.

Originally posted by Seekerof
You sound like some children I once had to teach.
"I won't," "I am not gonna," wah, wah, and wah.

then you must be completely ignoring the fringe protestors themselves....

I have no reason to "wah" about anything. I have my candidate in power, I have the liberals as majority. I love the new policies putting this nation back in place. At the same time im not afraid to highlight the true agendas behind the fringers. Im on here to deny ignorance, on behalf of the fringe groups.

Those who you all claim that have not given you a response have indeed given you a response,

They have not responded to the OP buddy, theres a difference. This only further shows me that you folks aint willing to respond to the facts head on. It only shows denial.

Its fine though... this forum provides a nice little haven for such ignorance to breed, but such ignorance will never again wonder beyond the undergroup internet world, and Im thankful for that. Why am I on here then? Because I like to deny ignorance.

but because it is not what you expected or watned to here

What did you think I expected? Iv posted numerous threads in the past like this one and recieved the same slack comments. I understand that unless my threads dont breed the ignorant fringe elements it wont get a single consideration on this forum. However I still continue my campaign of truth, because that is what I stand for.

Trust me I really dont expect much in return, all I expect is for my given freedom to post my threads.

Considering some of the responses you have given in the past, based upon your post history

Im so so sorry I didnt conform to the fringe on this forum. How dare I express socialist pinko ideals.

you should seriously place yourself among those you are now currently condemning and labeling as pots calling the kettle black. Your a hypocrite denying your own hypocrisy.

Enlighten me as to how the OP is hypocritical in itself? From how I see it, I posted a thread regarding the individuals and their histories behind these protests. Do you deny the facts? What exactly do you disagree to?

[edit on 12-4-2009 by Southern Guardian]

Originally posted by Jenna
Something I have noticed that has been happening with increasing frequency ever since election day is an attempt to label anyone who disagrees with the government, the president, or wants all of the asinine bills congress has been pushing through or trying to push through to stop, as a neo-con, republican, fringer, (enter your favorite label here).

That is nothing new and you know it. If you recall, during the last 8 years, if you didnt support Bush and his administration there was a good chance that you would be called a name such as Anti-American, Terrorist, Socialist etc...

This always happens. When repub is in office they call the dems names and vice versa. Don't think for one second that you are so special that you are the only political group to be called names. Because you are not.

Bottom line is, There are alot of crooked politicians on BOTH sides of the fence and untill we weed them out, this country is going to hell in a hand basket.

Big business get's special treatment. Wallstreet is more important than mainstreet in the eyes of alot of politicans.

There is a quote I recall.

"When the government steals from Paul and gives to peter, the government can always count on the support of peter."

Think about it. That has been happening alot. The people are paul and wallstreet/bankers are peter.

All the government/politicans see are dollar signs. They search out ways to get their greedy hands on more money instead of searching out ways to do what is best for our country, and look where we are now.

Untill we weed out the money grubbing, crooked politicans, and put all the old banking regulations back into place and not allow people to strip them away again, we will be stuck in this mess. Hopefully we can do that before it is too late.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Oh I never labelled tea party protestors those above, they did it themselves. Storm front, fox news such as Hannity and O'rielly, republican politicians who cheered on the patriot act, who outright supported the war, who voted against charges to bush regarding the war of lies. I think the individuals in attendance are self evidence. I have no need to label anybody anything, they do it themselves.

I didn't hear anyone say that they were going to the tea parties because they were a white nationalist.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Kooks. Id say the vast majority are kooks thankyou.

So, if they are protesting Obama and his policies, they are kooks, huh? Way to go, denying that ignorance.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Yes, and you folks will be standing with them, hand and in hand. I need not say more about the true agendas behind the protests.

Who are you calling, "you folks"? How about putting away that broad brush you're painting everyone with?

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
I have no reason to "wah" about anything. I have my candidate in power, I have the liberals as majority. I love the new policies putting this nation back in place. At the same time im not afraid to highlight the true agendas behind the fringers. Im on here to deny ignorance, on behalf of the fringe groups.

Really? You agree with everything Obama and his cabinet have been doing? And what might be some of the policies of Obama's that you love? Just throw us a bone here; it's an open forum and your chance to put all of us "fringers" (or what ever label you like to use today) in our places.

Originally posted by jerico65
I didn't hear anyone say that they were going to the tea parties because they were a white nationalist.

Yes they are just holding up their "storm front" and white nationalist signs... no doubt maybe you should read the actual objective storm front leaders are stating about them being in the tea parties. Stop playing the fool over the matter.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
So, if they are protesting Obama and his policies, they are kooks, huh?

They aint protesting about Obamas policies, they are protesting "socialismisms" and why the big bad Obama wont end taxes forever. Quite the number they are putting on the new administration.

Way to go, denying that ignorance.

I dont want any business with your definition of "ignorance".

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Who are you calling, "you folks"? How about putting away that broad brush you're painting everyone with?

I never put a broad brush on anybody, they did it themselves, your doing it yourself. At the protest heres a little advice, dont hold hands with the neocons, fox news and storm front, stop getting your information from the neocon mouth piece media, then maybe you wont be painting yourself in that manner.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Yes they are just holding up their "storm front" and white nationalist signs... no doubt maybe you should read the actual objective storm front leaders are stating about them being in the tea parties. Stop playing the fool over the matter.

"Stop playing the fool". Like I'm hiding something. How about I really don't watch TV as much as you do.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
They aint protesting about Obamas policies, they are protesting "socialismisms" and why the big bad Obama wont end taxes forever. Quite the number they are putting on the new administration.

Which means they are protesting his policies.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
I dont want any business with your definition of "ignorance".

Whatever, Gus.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
I never put a broad brush on anybody, they did it themselves, your doing it yourself. At the protest heres a little advice, dont hold hands with the neocons, fox news and storm front, stop getting your information from the neocon mouth piece media, then maybe you wont be painting yourself in that manner.

Yes, you are. I've read your posts here and in other threads. Your new word is "fringer". If anyone says anything that's against Obama, liberals, etc, they are a fringer and must be dealt with. Or a neocon, or some other label. Or just someone that has a viewpoint that's against yours.

Originally posted by jerico65
Really? You agree with everything Obama and his cabinet have been doing?

Never said i agreed to everything, but so far the policies are looking good. The job his doing now is exactly why I supported him.

And what might be some of the policies of Obama's that you love? Just throw us a bone here; it's an open forum and your chance to put all of us "fringers" (or what ever label you like to use today) in our places.

Fringers are already put in their places. What was a powerful influencial group during the Bush years has ended up as a minor fringe group with the only real influence limited to the number of stars they give themselves on the forums and blogs. Your in the place you need to be. As for the policies?

-His order lifting ban on stem cell research
Finally the first ammendment restored! Seperation of the religious cracks and state!

-his stimulus package for america
Which I support verymuch. His taking action, and if he did nothing like the do nothing republicans and Paulers he would be flamed in anycase so it really doesnt matter.

His announcement of withdrawal from Iraq by 2011
As he promised in his campaign. Many argued that Bush did this already, although Bush did this way after Obama announcement the Idea and republicans outright opposed it. A gradual withdrawal is what I am verymuch for.

More diplomatic move towards Iran
To which Im glad he has taken, and is a breath of fresh air to american foreign policy.

Expand loan programs for small businesses
To which he has!

Cut military overspending
Well he hasnt actually cut military spending, just increased it by $15 billion. Over the last 8years the Bush administration increased military spending by nearly $1 trillion excluding the cost of the Iraq war. We already spend 3 times that of what Russia, China and the UK spent on their military a year.

Theres more but I think the above highlights my appreciation of the stand this administration is taking. His keeping his promises, and you know it aint even 6 months into his administration.

Originally posted by jerico65
"Stop playing the fool". Like I'm hiding something. How about I really don't watch TV as much as you do.

So you have no more excuses in reply? Is that it? now its that "I watch too much tv". Weak

Which means they are protesting his policies.

Yes because he doesnt have a policy to end taxes forever seriously not even Reagan himself will take that seriously. Oh yes and this administration is not socialist, or fascist. That thought is only limited to the rightwing fringe.

Yes, you are. I've read your posts here and in other threads. Your new word is "fringer".

Im not the first one to use it... please dont give all the credit to me.

If anyone says anything that's against Obama, liberals, etc, they are a fringer and must be dealt with.

Considering 99% of the threads here regard Obama being a socialist, or a muslim, or not an american citizen, your pritty much right, I do speak out.

Or a neocon

Heres a reality check, stop getting your information from neocon media outlets, stop holding their hands at the protest, then maybe you wont find yourself being labelled as one.

Or just someone that has a viewpoint that's against yours.

"viewpoint"? That must be the new word for hate? Either way I prefer to stick with the term hate. And dont worry, I will still be around to speak out.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
So you have no more excuses in reply? Is that it? now its that "I watch too much tv". Weak

Sorry, I have a real life, and I'm not getting my panties in a bunch over people protesting the administration of your president.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Yes because he doesnt have a policy to end taxes forever

seriously not even Reagan himself will take that seriously. Oh yes and this administration is not socialist, or fascist. That thought is only limited to the rightwing fringe.

"Wealth redistribution" sure does sound socialist to me.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Considering 99% of the threads here regard Obama being a socialist, or a muslim, or not an american citizen, your pritty much right, I do speak out.

Yeah, with labels, which sort of heaps your arguments with everyone elses. Weak.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Heres a reality check, stop getting your information from neocon media outlets, stop holding their hands at the protest, then maybe you wont find yourself being labelled as one.

Sorry, Gus. Don't get my news from a "neocon" outlet. And as I asked in another thread, just where might you get yours?

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
"viewpoint"? That must be the new word for hate? Either way I prefer to stick with the term hate. And dont worry, I will still be around to speak out.

You're slinging the hate, not me.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
-His order lifting ban on stem cell research
Finally the first ammendment restored! Seperation of the religious cracks and state!

Well, I have no problems with that, but noticed your hate of "religious cracks". Guess they don't have a right to their own opinion? Off to the cattlecars with them!

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
-his stimulus package for america
Which I support verymuch. His taking action, and if he did nothing like the do nothing republicans and Paulers he would be flamed in anycase so it really doesnt matter.

Not too impressed with the tripling of the deficit for things that won't come into effect (if at all), until the 2010 and 2012 elections. Doing nothing probably would have been better. Throwing money we don't have at problems won't fix them.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
His announcement of withdrawal from Iraq by 2011
As he promised in his campaign. Many argued that Bush did this already, although Bush did this way after Obama announcement the Idea and republicans outright opposed it. A gradual withdrawal is what I am verymuch for.

But didn't Obama say the troops would be pulled out immediately? Guess he didn't really keep that promise, did he? Once again, the generals in charge seem to know just a bit more about the situation than Obama.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
More diplomatic move towards Iran
To which Im glad he has taken, and is a breath of fresh air to american foreign policy.

And they laughed at him.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Expand loan programs for small businesses
To which he has!

Good idea.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Cut military overspending
Well he hasnt actually cut military spending, just increased it by $15 billion. Over the last 8years the Bush administration increased military spending by nearly $1 trillion excluding the cost of the Iraq war. We already spend 3 times that of what Russia, China and the UK spent on their military a year.

I have no problem with cutting the fat, just as long as I don't fight with a doubled up layer of cardboard for bodyarmor. They cut the new "Marine One", too. I wonder if Obama knows he won't be getting a new "ducka-ducka"? I guess those toy helicopters he pawned off on Brown's kids will be collector items now!

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Enlighten me as to how the OP is hypocritical in itself? From how I see it, I posted a thread regarding the individuals and their histories behind these protests. Do you deny the facts? What exactly do you disagree to?

Do you deny these facts?

Or these facts?

Why you so deadset against legal protest; afraid?

Create your own "tea party"..oh wait, they end in epic failure!



[edit on 12-4-2009 by Seekerof]

Originally posted by jerico65
Sorry, I have a real life

If you have a real life then get off the fear mongering fringe websites and get on with your life.

and I'm not getting my panties in a bunch over people protesting the administration of your president.

Im not the one going ape about "socialimisms". But please continue on with your hypocrisy. Again why are you avoiding the facts I put forward? Do the white nationalist have nothing to do with these protests? Do the neocons, the unconstitutional histories behind the politicians supporting this? they have nothing to do with tea party protests?

"Wealth redistribution" sure does sound socialist to me.

His not taking money from anybody. His changing the taxing structure as opposed to the flawed trickle down policy. But ya know the elites who most benefit from this sure love tricking you into thinking otherwise. You go have your socialmisms rant.

Yeah, with labels, which sort of heaps your arguments with everyone elses. Weak.

Stop labelling yourself. Get off the neocon mouth piece media outlets, stop holding their hands and protesting with them, then maybe you wont need to be labelled anything.

Sorry, Gus. Don't get my news from a "neocon" outlet.

Then why defend their involvement in the protests? Why continously defend hannity's involvement in these tea party protests with his history? Why do you continue to ignore the anti-paulers who now act as if they give a damn now that a dem is in power? Why defend the very politicians than outright supported the war of lies and the patriot act? If you have nothing to do with them why hold their hands and the protests and why defend them?

And as I asked in another thread, just where might you get yours?

I get my news from a range sources. You welcome to look down the history of threads Iv posted. You however, as history shows, prefer to stick with the fringe websites.

You're slinging the hate, not me.

Right, these protests and your little replies have nothing to do with hate. Sure. No continue to turn things around. Your still not doing anything to counter the OP.

Originally posted by jerico65
Well, I have no problems with that, but noticed your hate of "religious cracks". Guess they don't have a right to their own opinion?

Religious cracks like to force their beliefs into law and onto others of difference views. People of faith only preach and practice their religion privately. There is a difference.

Not too impressed with the tripling of the deficit for things that won't come into effect (if at all), until the 2010 and 2012 elections. Doing nothing probably would have been better. Throwing money we don't have at problems won't fix them.

Well thats your opinion and Ill leave it to that. For me there needs to be spending in place of those that lack among the consumer population inorder for this nation to keep afloat. Everytime you invest in infrastructure you gain profit back. Id much rather have him take action then sit around.

It will be afew years before anybody can say anything for sure about the stimulus.

But didn't Obama say the troops would be pulled out immediately? Guess he didn't really keep that promise, did he?

Lie. He said throughout primaries troop withdrawal by 2011 and he is yet to break any promise.

And they laughed at him.

They have been laugh at Bush for years because all his done is fuel the anger and support to them in the middle east. Dont see in anyway the conservative agressive stance doing anything for the last 8years. Dont see them laughing now.

Do you find an agressive dangerous approach more reliable? This isnt just about dominance in the middle is or politics, the issue between the US and Iran. There are innocent lives caught in the middle of this mess. I think it is highly responsible to take a more diplomatic approach for the sake of peace and innocent lives.

Good idea.

Yes Im real glad he passed it.

I have no problem with cutting the fat, just as long as I don't fight with a doubled up layer of cardboard for bodyarmor. They cut the new "Marine One", too. I wonder if Obama knows he won't be getting a new "ducka-ducka"? I guess those toy helicopters he pawned off on Brown's kids will be collector items now!

Pritty sure us spending half of the worlds total military expenditure is enough.

[edit on 12-4-2009 by Southern Guardian]

Originally posted by Seekerof

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Enlighten me as to how the OP is hypocritical in itself? From how I see it, I posted a thread regarding the individuals and their histories behind these protests. Do you deny the facts? What exactly do you disagree to?

Do you deny these facts?

Or these facts?

Why you so deadset against legal protest; afraid?

Create your own "tea party"..oh wait, they end in epic failure!



[edit on 12-4-2009 by Seekerof]

This has nothing to do with the OP and the indivudals I exposed. So please actually come back with a reply that directly counters the OP, that is if you object to those claims.

With Respect, you will find it very difficult to find a more ardent supporter of Ron Paul than I. "Tea Party" was something we used for a "money bomb". We enjoyed the use of significant dates in and around Revolutionary periods to tell people about a man who is himself, revolutionary. He is not even close to comparable with his republican counterparts. You only need read his entire voting record to see that. Or listen to what he has spoken of over the last 30 years. You can find his unedited speeches and presentations on Youtube, his congressional addresses, speeches, and letters sent to his constituents here www.lewrockwell.com... .

All of that being said, I do not participate in these stupid events, and I don't believe Ron Paul really gives a &*(% about them either.

The tea party's are a sham. Glenn Beck is a psychopath, Hannity is an @#$hole, Rush is more stupid than a Bag of Mushrooms. And everyone, left and right knows this. If people would just turn off the damn radio, stop watching TV, and go outside and do something productive, they might actually see that the world does not have to be as scary as our governments have made it. Republicans used to be so Intelligent. The conservative mind was one of long term thought, and as a result were considered to be some of the great thinkers of all history. I don't know how that changed. There are very few of them Left, and Ron Paul, is one of those contemplative men, And I sincerely hope he runs one last time, if only to give those of us who support him, a chance to finish the fight we all started.



[edit on 12-4-2009 by aravoth]

reply to post by Southern Guardian

SG...I do agree with you on some of your OP. The tea parties seem to be morphing into a Republican deal. Quite honestlly I don't think that's what it was meant to be at the start.

There is a percentage of the population that is angry at the spending that's been done...they are angry at the lies and misdirection that is told to them time and time again.

BUT...as i knew would happen....Republicans are going to jump on the tea party bandwagon...and could possibly ruin it with partisan politics.

I really hate the fact that Hannity has jumped all over this...Beck denounced the tea parties at first..the problem with Beck is that too much of his rhetoric is religiously motivated.

He's also suddenly seemed to shy away from taking about the Federal Reserve and other things that I deem important.

I post on the 912project website once in awhile...you know i'm a conservative....but people on that site call me a liberal for my war stance and other views on religion and gay rights.

I've taken quite a thrashing and am now in the negatives in points.

Now if the other networks would give it credibility and cover the tea parties on tax day...this wouldn't really be much of a big deal though right?

THis just shows how in the hole ALL of our media is.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
See here folks, Jenna is a pure example of what the majority of fringers have become. In denial and their continous siding with the neocon media machines. Not once did she directly reply to what was actually presented in the OP. Just simply ignored it.

So I'm a "fringer" because I pointed out that the name-calling has gotten more frequent? You obviously haven't read my other post in this thread where I clearly state that if I must be labeled, my label would be liberal.

So as your not a gun trodding Obama hatin conservative you will not be heard on here, doesnt matter what facts you provide, or evidence, they will simple ignore it on here.

On the contrary, the ones you describe are not heard at all regardless of what facts they provide or evidence. They are simply ignored and called names.

The upside of this all folks is that beyond these forum grounds, there is no more room left for these individuals to talk. Their credibility died off with Bush and the neocons. Whats left are a bunch of mini protests and imaginary stars on a forum, and thats where it will stay for a long time to come.

But weren't you just complaining about the guys from Fox? Wouldn't they count as people who apparently have room to talk since they are still on the air?

You wont be getting any direct answers from me until you actually read the information provided in the OP and you give me an explanation.... because all I see are a bunch of protesting pots calling the tea kettle black.

Honestly I didn't expect to. Much easier to point fingers and name call than to answer a simple question. I merely asked in the hopes that you would clarify what a "fringer" is to you. It has become quite apparent though that a "fringer" is anyone who doesn't think exactly the way you do. The ironic thing is that I'm not the pot in this scenario. Your OP was more of a rant than anything, and I responded to it. Sorry you don't like my response, which was to basically point out the hypocrisy of either side pointing fingers and laying blame and point out how little sense it makes to paint everyone with the same brush just because they disagree with you, which you have attempted to do yet again.