Infinity is an existing being, self aware, mathematically proven....

maybe im a noob for posting this(while not reading through 7 pages of posts), but getting back to the op
"If infinity wasn't intelligent, then it would lack that one characteristic(intelligence) for it to be infinity.

If infinity wasn't self aware of itself, then it would lack that characteristic(self awareness) for it to be infinity.

If infinity wasn't a design, then it would lack that characteristic(design) for it to be infinity.

If infinity wasn't true and didn't exist, then it would lack that characteristic(truth and existence) for it to be infinity. Plus we wouldn't be discussing it here cause we wouldn't know what it is and we wouldn't be using it in math."

if the above quote is true, who is the person who defines the characteristics of infinity?
"So it's intelligent by nature, and also by nature has to create every possible possibility so it can explore it. So it's also a creator."

it doesn't have to be intelligent by nature, just because calculators can solve problems doesn't make them intelligent, it doesn't necessarily have to create the possibilities either, the possibilities couldv'e already existed.

"So if infinity is proven to exist ...then what you think is randomness, is really a creation of infinity for it to explore./Yes by nature, if randomness is to be true and real, as mathematical models prove and as infinity would have to be a part of, then technically it, itself, would be wholly random."
these 2 sentences completely contradict each other.
"So randomness is a pattern. Everything is a pattern. Even something that is no pattern ....is still a pattern of having no pattern-ness to it."
uh....no....randomness isn't a pattern, in fact it is the complete absence of a pattern that makes it random
"But still randomness is a creation, came from somewhere, made by something, its the result of something. It leads back to an intelligence source."
if i can toss a coin, and that toss itself is an act of randomness, am i not the intelligent creator of that randomness? would i not be part of infinity, or rather, would infinity not be a part of all of us?
"So you think our existence is all randomness and out of randomness came evolution??? That should show you right there that randomness itself is intelligent enough to allow it to bring forth a set of evolutions to continue to exist."
randomness wasn't the one that that had the intelligence to bring about evolution, it was us, the very subject of what wants to evolve was that which had the intelligence to evolve, not consciously, but on a molecular level, everything that has a will to survive, has a will to evolve.
also, would not saying that infinity was an intelligent self-aware design limit the concept of infinity to having just those characteristics?
if infinity was everything, then randomness couldnt be infinity, because to explore every possibility would mean that infinity had to have some uniformity to it, which contradicts the concept of randomness.
this is something i believe, infinity=FUDGE FACTOR

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infinity does have logic, only problem is you only see one side of it

That's why its so crazy!!

we are all right and wrong!

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if the above quote is true, who is the person who defines the characteristics of infinity?

If the above quote is true, then we can only define a limited number of characteristics of infinity. It would be impossible to "get them all" unless you can merge with infinity and experience all of it directly for yourself. Everything else is postulates.

That is a good question, who is the person who defines infinities characteristics. I think we are all still working that out. I couldn't tell you in the slightest the answer to that. If we really are all fragments or frozen snapshots of this, then you can say that a bunch of snapshots are coming together and trying to resolve agreements and disagreements as to the characteristics of infinity. Its partially taking place here on this thread in real time present moment, at least for the typer, and the reader reading it.

All very philo/matha/experientialism.

it doesn't have to be intelligent by nature, just because calculators can solve problems doesn't make them intelligent, it doesn't necessarily have to create the possibilities either, the possibilities couldv'e already existed.

Yeah but your comparison is of a calculator, which another limited snapshot of the whole. Calculators do not equal the whole of infinity. But if you have the right tools, can you deconstruct the calculator into an infinite amount of atoms, particles, strings, higgs bosons? Would that be possible to keep going?

Your right the possibilities could have already been there, as a result of infinity being instantaneous, which brings up for me more questions. Infinity is never ending so what is the speed of infinity? Anyway, back to your question. Yeah that would have to be a possibility, to experience something as always having been there. Infinity exploring and veing every possible possibility.

If this is so then there are an infinite number of dimensions. One in which we dont exist. Another in whic this thread doesnt exist, another one where the population is 5.4 billion instead of 6.4 and so on.

uh....no....randomness isn't a pattern, in fact it is the complete absence of a pattern that makes it random

Yeah but you know this based on "randomness's" qualities and definitions. And a pattern is seen and known by its qualities and definitions. I think the confusion is in a scenario of us having only 1 randomness. Then it would just be that 1. But we have and can have sets of randomness's all with the same qualities/definitions which make those sets, patterns.

if i can toss a coin, and that toss itself is an act of randomness, am i not the intelligent creator of that randomness? would i not be part of infinity, or rather, would infinity not be a part of all of us?

Yes you would be the force or creator of that act of randomness. Yes infinity would be both part of you and the random act. Even though that act itself would be randomness with only 2 possible outcomes. I was conceptually looking at more of infinite randomness with infinite outcomes.

Infinity would be existing as all kinds of randomness's with all kinds of numbered outcomes from 2 to infinity. Brings up another good question. Can we have randomness that only comes out to 1 outcome (i.e. a 2 headed coin)

also, would not saying that infinity was an intelligent self-aware design limit the concept of infinity to having just those characteristics?

Yes of course it would. I was just saying those have to be possible. Thats just the human perspective of being able to pull out at least some characteristics of infinity, but not all. The eye can't see itself. Its a matter of perspectives. I didnt say the above quote in order to limit infinity to those characteristics, just simply brought it up to show that by infinities nature, it has to be, or has to be a possibility at least.

if infinity was everything, then randomness couldnt be infinity, because to explore every possibility would mean that infinity had to have some uniformity to it, which contradicts the concept of randomness. this is something i believe, infinity=FUDGE FACTOR

If infinity is everything, then how could randomness not be part of it? Yeah perhaps it would have to have uniformity to explore every possible possibility, but thats also limiting infinity. Besides exploring every possible possibility, it also just is, it also rests, it also is as having no uniformity at the same time as having uniformity. Contradictions are in the eye of the beholder. In the perspective of the existence of things, physical, conceptual, philosophical, mathematical, etc. Existence is "being" and that is a oneness.

If someone from the outside of everything saw the existence of everything, they would see 1 thing(existence), even though we see multiples cause we are part of existence.

You can view infinity(at least conceptually for now) from the outside of infinity. Then you see 1. But when you go in for a closer look and see whats going on within infinity, then you see several. Which perspective is right?

This isn't fudge. Its something real and practical. Takes one out of a conceptual,philosophical box and expands the question of what is really gong on here.

I see what you are saying OP, and whether or not it is true, it certainly made me think a bit.

The problem though is this.

The number of atoms/particles in the universe is not infinity. There can still be a number higher than that.

For example...how many times can you multiply 2 and 2? Infinity...there is no limit.

Infinity has nothing to do with what you said.

Originally posted by dominicus
Even randomness is a pattern. If randomness wasn't a pattern then we wouldnt be able to realize it was randomness and wouldnt be discussing it now, cause we wouldnt know what it is. Randomness is a pattern of randomness .....still a pattern

Not only that, but there is a whole branch of mathematics with equations, professors and theories that study the possibility of there being patterns and order in chaos. Even infinity ...see my signature by Georg Cantor, is studied and used by science.

You are speaking the truth whether you fully understand it or not, no offense!

I am studying this phenomenon and admittedly only scratched the surface. The potential is enormous! Unlimited free energy anywhere, anyone??

Infinity

Reflection

of?

creation... You are 2 things

One you are alive.. to witness "self aware"

the other is the very logic of not understanding why you are here

gets complex agree? well no its not really

The reason for infinity is you are here.. the only thing that is aware of infinity is human beings

ever stop to think why that is the case? and what that in fact means?

You are here to keep it going

reproduction

think of it like giving birth

Think of it a bit like this...