"Intelligent Design" is a conspiracy.

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The reason there are still monkeys is that we didn't evolve from the monkeys that exist today. There are no more of the monkeys we evolved from because we are those monkeys. The monkeys that exist today are distance relatives of our species--they are still evolving and they might not evolve into something that looks exactly human. It's not as if all the monkeys today are going to become human one day or something like that. The reason we're more advanced is simply because we are a earlier form of primate and have had a much longer time to evolve into this, and we are still evolving now.

wow i really admire some of the members here.

Gawdzilla w/ his fantastic views, his ability to keep a cool head in the face of stupidity, and not to mention his comebacks.

dominicus who says were narrow minded, when in fact its him whose views are limited.

ShowMeEvil for removing all his posts and comments.

if i were active in this thread, i would be flaming the first 5 mins.

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This is nothing. You should have been on the old USENET, the unmoderated forums. There were flamewars there that had been going on since day one. If you lost you cool there, you were toast. The battles between the various sects of skinheads was particularly ugly.

it's a conspiracy to bring us back on our knees with our noses permantly glued to the altar bench instead of thinking for our selves. All our moden tech wouldn't have come about if certain free thinkers from the renaissance hadn't had the courage to persue knowledge that the church felt like mankind should know about. If a person from 500 C.E. where transported here to our time he would think our modern inventions was witchcraft. Our country has too many competing agendas to control us when it was our founding fathers who had given us the control through the constitution and the declaration of independance. In other words we the people are the boss.

I would like say something completly sacreligious but I'm afraid I might have the Inquistion at my door. I mean even though it's 2009.

I'd say that evolution might be true, but the odds of it don't measure up.
I beg the to know the anwser to this lone question.

Why should I believe in evolution if there is no proof?


I find it hard to believe that time + chance = life.


I'm not a religious person, I am just trying to find some truth.

Originally posted by dominicus
Perhaps not today, but one day science will explain ID the same way it can explain evolution. You cant get something out of nothingness. Think about that for a few hours.

There was nothing. Then something. HAhahahahaha

There are some of us who actually did...

First off, science is by definition bounded with logic. It cannot operate outside of logic or on it's very boundaries, that is a consensus, no matter how some dislike it.

That is why ID supporters are continuously trying to "fix" this "problem" science is having in order to "understand" God ...

Changing very definitions of science in order to fit religion agenda is not allowed because science is self correcting discipline, if theories are proved wrong they are rejected. ID is a "theory" (Creator did it) which cannot be rejected, EVER

Expecting science to answer unanswerable questions (outside or on the border of the logic domain) and then condemning it for it's failure to do so is a cop out

NOBODY knows for sure can you get something out of nothing or not, nobody, and with all do respect your I-know-all-the-answers attitude about this issue is not convincing and not helping your position at all...

Perhaps nothing has no way of preventing (how it could, since it's nothing at all, duh) something to spawn itself into existance ? Think about that for a few hours

Originally posted by 5thElement

Perhaps nothing has no way of preventing (how it could, since it's nothing at all, duh) something to spawn itself into existance ? Think about that for a few hours

When you say "spawn" do you mean an action done by nothing. Here's a bit of wisdom you are in desperate need of "from nothing, nothing comes".
I guess the magic word is "spawn" and I can spawn something out of nothing, right? Spawn cookie. Yes it worked!

Originally posted by lawbringer
When you say "spawn" do you mean an action done by nothing. Here's a bit of wisdom you are in desperate need of "from nothing, nothing comes".
I guess the magic word is "spawn" and I can spawn something out of nothing, right? Spawn cookie. Yes it worked!

Lol, be careful what you wish for then

No, actually I meant something happened on it's own because, obviously, duh, just look around you, that is preferred state of being, hehe ...

My point is, jokes aside, lol, we can guess and argue about it till the end of time, we can joke about it, we can throw riddles and proverbs, we can cry and pounce or simply ACCEPT the very fact that we will never, ever know the answers to the ultimate questions.

Why is that?

Because when we really, really deeply think about them we realize that they are not actual questions but rather definitions of the very boundaries of our thinking process

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How did universe come to be?

a) spawned from nothing for no reason

b) was always there

c) created by an infinte intelligent being


It has to be one of the three logically. Which one is it?

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Why does it HAVE TO BE one of those three? Do you know the secret of the universe? If not, then you've just created a situation where you demand that we accept your version of reality as the proper one. Why would we do that? Are you God?

Originally posted by lawbringer
It has to be one of the three logically. Which one is it?

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1. Biblical creationism is wrong.

2. ID creationism has no evidence, and is not required - a vacuous concept.

3. Big bang theism, again no evidence, and just posits something as first cause really. Does not logically lead to magical gods.

4. naturalism. Yay! Has been sufficient thus far.

lol

More here.

Will do as a tentative position.

[edit on 13-4-2009 by melatonin]

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"Will do as a tentative position. "

If you're willing to settle for that, fine. Just don't require anyone else to accept it blindly.

There are only three ways to explain everything.

1. A God creating everything out of nothing!
This statement cant be true. If God is the only one. He must be infinite meaning he takes up all the space possible. How can he create something out of nothing when he is everything.

2. A God creating specific things by using everything at his disposal.
This one is harder to explain because who is infinite. God or everything

3. Or that everything always was and always is.
I guess we are left with this one. But you can break this one a part to if you use finite up against Infinite.

But i think that finite is just what matter is for a short time then it becomes another finite or dimension. This proses goes on for infinity.





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"There are only three ways to explain everything. "

Sorry, but you can't limit the universe to just those ideas that you can handle. It's a bit big for that.

Originally posted by Gawdzilla
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"There are only three ways to explain everything. "

Sorry, but you can't limit the universe to just those ideas that you can handle. It's a bit big for that.

Then supply us with some additional possibilities. If i haven't covered them all.

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It's a big universe, why do you think your three are the only ones that can be possible? You stated they were the only ones, so support that statement.

Originally posted by Gawdzilla
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It's a big universe, why do you think your three are the only ones that can be possible? You stated they were the only ones, so support that statement.

Ok. Prove me wrong then.

Add some more to my mistake.

I mention everything and a God. How much bigger do you think it could get.

[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]

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"Prove you wrong"? Why? You should prove your assertions are correct. You can't do that, so you fall back on the old "Well, prove me wrong." Nonsense. But perfectly predictable.

Originally posted by Gawdzilla
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"Prove you wrong"? Why? You should prove your assertions are correct. You can't do that, so you fall back on the old "Well, prove me wrong." Nonsense. But perfectly predictable.

Man you are just taking up time and space.

Have you ever contributed to anything?

I feel you are to scared to tell us anything because your scared you are going to get caught on something. At least i dare that's more then you can offer.