Its time to defeat the powers that be - by adopting communisim!

reply to post by Gorman91


the whole point of communism is to show people that there is more to life than luxuries alone but still understanding that humans will be humans and will always long for something to distract them wen they have the time which can be provided as long as the individual is actively in school or working learning more and more about their career field and constantly striving to better themselves this is wat is rewarded in a true communistic society not the thought that singularity is the only way to accomplish peace. there is no reason why we all cannot live cohabitously and still have free thought. with the true form of communism creativity is rewarded just as well( you can still be an artist and not have to worry about starving...EVER!!!)

But people are greedy.

And racist

And hateful

And closed minded.

I've spent years trying to convince people of love and respect. They are ignorant and closed minded.

And then, once your society is built, what stops back-door capitalists from slowly gathering wealth from behind the public eye, and then financing their own commoner-army to make and defend themselves from those they view as lesser.

I have strong resistance to temptation, but many others in my position would begin to feel elitist and better than those around me. It seems as if I should control those around me because I am better. What's to stop a weaker person with more money to making that into something destructive?

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if this society is built to the proper specifications then there will be no monetary system to be controlled and bought out by the corrupt. the only way anything will get done with this system is by unanimous voting done by every single person on this planet regardless of age, religion, gender, or color and until this bill is changed to contribute to the needs of all it will not be used in the system

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Mr. Observer I really do not know how to respond to you, you seem to be living with a total disconnect from the realities of the unregenerate nature of men; men are all at the core evil, which is why a you do not need to teach a toddler how to lie or misbehave. Which means that outside of a government with Christ at its head, you are living a utopian fantasy; men will always seek to have power over others while fleecing the weak around them. This is why your plan fails and only the restoration of our Constitutional Republic will come closest to fulfilling your utopian dreams. Thanks for the thread, SGT Chas signing off.

Originally posted by SGTChas
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Mr. Observer I really do not know how to respond to you, you seem to be living with a total disconnect from the realities of the unregenerate nature of men; men are all at the core evil, which is why a you do not need to teach a toddler how to lie or misbehave. Which means that outside of a government with Christ at its head, you are living a utopian fantasy; men will always seek to have power over others while fleecing the weak around them. This is why your plan fails and only the restoration of our Constitutional Republic will come closest to fulfilling your utopian dreams. Thanks for the thread, SGT Chas signing off.

and no men at the core are not evil we all have the choice between the two and just because the majority have been programmed to be selfish or gullible enough to believe anything that the elitists want you to believe and as far as your toddler theory goes i just happen to have a son and i beg to differ children only do what they have been taught or have seen throughout their lives.. case in point... my son was well behaved never threw a tantrum or anything along those lines until he saw his cousins doing it and they got wat they wanted. and now all he does wen he wants something is scream and yell til he gets it but before he would quietly (since he cant really talk yet) signify that he wanted something or try to the best of his ability to say what he could to get the point across

yes restoring the constitution to its full working capacity is a great idea but the system built around it needs to be updated and formed to where these great ideas cannot be lost in corruption or greed.. by simply taking these basic rights of all and protecting them with the power of communism

Originally posted by SGTChas
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Mr. Observer I really do not know how to respond to you, you seem to be living with a total disconnect from the realities of the unregenerate nature of men; men are all at the core evil, which is why a you do not need to teach a toddler how to lie or misbehave. Which means that outside of a government with Christ at its head, you are living a utopian fantasy; men will always seek to have power over others while fleecing the weak around them. This is why your plan fails and only the restoration of our Constitutional Republic will come closest to fulfilling your utopian dreams. Thanks for the thread, SGT Chas signing off.

and no men at the core are not evil we all have the choice between the two and just because the majority have been programmed to be selfish or gullible enough to believe anything that the elitists want you to believe and as far as your toddler theory goes i just happen to have a son and i beg to differ children only do what they have been taught or have seen throughout their lives.. case in point... my son was well behaved never threw a tantrum or anything along those lines until he saw his cousins doing it and they got wat they wanted. and now all he does wen he wants something is scream and yell til he gets it but before he would quietly (since he cant really talk yet) signify that he wanted something or try to the best of his ability to say what he could to get the point across

yes restoring the constitution to its full working capacity is a great idea but the system built around it needs to be updated and formed to where these great ideas cannot be lost in corruption or greed.. by simply taking these basic rights of all and protecting them with the power of communism

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sorry for the double post it was an accident


ok so for those that insist that they hold some kind of power over somebody...well that is wat management positions are for

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sorry for the double post it was an accident


ok so for those that insist that they hold some kind of power over somebody...well that is wat management positions are for

reply to post by infolurker
Lurker, some of your quotes are propaganda without actual basis in Marxism. I happened to have grown up in a Soviet-ruled country that was supposed to be Socialist at the time. We were told society was going towards Communism which would be better. Iin school we all had to study the Manifesto (CM) then longer works by Marx and Engels (at high school and college).
So I am well versed in Marxist theory and perhaps I can clear up a few misunderstandings here for you all...

1. In Communism, MONEY DOES NOT EXIST. Period. No taxes, no cash, no chips etc. People are supposed to take what they need, and work simply because they are responsible members of society who want to do things both for themselves and others. In contrast, Socialism is a money-driven society - but I must point out what I lived through was Socialism only in theory, while in practice it could be perhaps be rightly called "state capitalism" directed by well-hidden elite, and based on Soviet-Russian colonialisation, an occupation army etc.

2. Marx and Engels did not want to take "the family" apart as Capitalist ideologues say. They were merely against the patriarchal family. Engels pointed out in a long study that monogamous patriarchal morals came into enforcement among nomadic desert tribes where the herd was supposed to be inherited - if divided, many were starving. Therefore children had to be identified as to father. Another example he used was the scarcity of land in medieval Europe - and his conclusion was that the Western family is mainly about dividing possessions.

3. Just to be clear: in Marxist definitions, private property is simply not the same thing as personal property. Do not confuse these two - as anti-Marxist journalists are so prone to do (perhaps intentionally). Private property in Marxist parlance is ownership applied to 'means of production' - factories, ships etc. which should be rightly owned by communities and not individuals or elite groups. (No one is supposed to grab the watch you inherited from your grandpa or your toothbrush etc.)

There was disagreement as to how much violence is supposed to be applied towards anyone who would seriously deviate from the social norms.

My feeling is that the original theory was critical of our society, aimed to promote community values, and was largely based on lofty ideals and not upon some weird hidden agenda. Its main shortcoming for me was in the fields of psychology and mysticism. By throwing away exoteric religion - which Marx and his friends rightly suspected was manipulated for the same property interests - they mostly excluded mysticism as well as any expressions or studying of the Divine. (However, you could say the late Marx redefined matter - so actually God could be smuggled back...)

Personally I believe the ideals of Communism are closer to the Aquarian age ideals that may come when we are astrologically in that age (in about 380 years). Life in this Age of Pisces is about our souls being awakened and deepened after mass sacrifices and unimaginable victimising deeds... Which any honest Communists or Socialists would disapprove of. (Bolsheviks and Maoists would.)

One more thing: most left-wing people I know would use the word Socialist as if it was a milder, non-violent Communism, while they would largely equate Communism with any violent brand of state capitalism - such as the Bolshevik state. But, as the OP points out, the Manifesto is the Manifesto. The rest is merely history... with purported Communists being as close to these ideals as the medieval Inquisition had been to the ideals attributed to Christ.
Hope this does not come across as mere lecturing...

reply to post by consciencious observer


Well with that your calling God a liar as He says there “is nothing good in the heart of men”, which is your constitutional right; one of which I bled to protect, so I’d never condemn you. However, further discussion would obviously be counter productive. So peace out, and best wishes. SgtChas. PS: I enjoyed the thread, thank you.

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So than suppose a group of people want to start a monetary system to judge each other's ability to0 gain such a monetary unit in a certain amount of time, but one begins to want to look better by paying people to take money from the other?

Originally posted by SGTChas
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Well with that your calling God a liar as He says there “is nothing good in the heart of men”, which is your constitutional right; one of which I bled to protect, so I’d never condemn you. However, further discussion would obviously be counter productive. So peace out, and best wishes. SgtChas. PS: I enjoyed the thread, thank you.

even if that quote is in the proper context important decisions should never be made using emotions/heart but use of your logic/brain is what is to be used when voting

about 10-20% of the voting population probably does that. The rest use race, religion, ethics, ethnics, etc etc.

That's the facts of the common person. it's sad but true

Originally posted by Gorman91
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So than suppose a group of people want to start a monetary system to judge each other's ability to0 gain such a monetary unit in a certain amount of time, but one begins to want to look better by paying people to take money from the other?

so let them do their experiments outside of communism but when they either kill eachother off or realize that money is just as ridiculous as the tooth fairy..well if they kill eachother off it wont matter but if they can be adult enough to admit they are wrong then yea its all good in the hood LOL

Originally posted by Gorman91
about 10-20% of the voting population probably does that. The rest use race, religion, ethics, ethnics, etc etc.

That's the facts of the common person. it's sad but true

who are you to come up with such numbers especially straight out of your own a$$...

and this is how the common person has been bred to believe that everything but honest to god logic should be used to make their decisions further making a tyrannical one world government easier and easier for the elitists to attain

Which means that outside of a government with Christ at its head

Oh, you mean that we didn't have that already with the "God anointed" GW Bush and his millions of rabid Christian followers? Torture, starting bogus wars resulting in 100s of thousands of casualties, Katrina, endless scandals, invasion of privacy, pandering to corporations and big oil, relaxation of clean air and water standards, raping of the environment. Yea, that is all we need is more so called "Christ people" governments!

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Originally posted by whatsup

Which means that outside of a government with Christ at its head

Oh, you mean that we didn't have that already with the "God anointed" GW Bush and his millions of rabid Christian followers? Torture, starting bogus wars resulting in 100s of thousands of casualties, Katrina, endless scandals, invasion of privacy, pandering to corporations and big oil, relaxation of clean air and water standards, raping of the environment. Yea, that is all we need is more so called "Christ people" governments!

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thank you for these words and yes it is true there many many facts over the course of history Christianity and other religions have been used by evil to make the people do their bidding but instead of creating fear with religion instead why not use it to teach as it was truly intended for in the first place. by using the basic tenants that are so similar in all religions which basically are 1.dont kill for any reason except to bring justice to breaking this rule.2. respect your peers as they are the founders of your very existence.3.no adultery... I mean honeslty who likes getting cheated on.4.do not steal... well if everyone has the same opportunity to be rewarded as anybody then theft should eventually be an unneeded form of survival.5. do not covet but know your neighbors luxuries and use this knowledge to motivate ones self to attain ones own luxuries.


this how i see the basic tenants worked into communism and vice versa

reply to post by consciencious observer


Yes, it's what they are bred to believe. But how can you change that? If you do change that, they will call you evil. Ii tried it pal. A kid who was a Valor Victorian in high school. He was racist, imperialist, and simply backwards. How am I to change that? Every time I tried, I was ridiculed. It is impossible to change them. 40 years after the civil rights movement and this kid with straight 99s is telling me how they shouldn't allow blacks into white communities. That's the commoner. I can't change that, and neither can you.


As to what I said before, how are you going to stop that group of people toying with money? Men have been shot and killed over strips of paper with numbers on them. What will stop a collection of people from labeling themselves as elites and increasing their influence? by their very act, they invalidate whatever government, if any, says not to. And if it's true communism with no state at all, these elites become a state withing the stateless masses, creating a nation with power.

reply to post by Gorman91


they will become a seperate entity but will have no power over the true communistic society they will basically given only a few neccessities to get there own civ started such as food seeds and some food to get them by for only so long. so they basically will start from nothing but a few ideas about how money might work and go from there not only will it take them time to develop anything and anything developed will be closely monitored by the masses or those that are interested "whatev" but it would also be a good experiment for us to learn from and if someway somehow the experiment lasts long enough for it to be a plausible solution and if it is a more logical and efficient way still giving equality to all then hey why not but the simple fact that the experiment will become corrupt just as the system itself is now, is almost irrefutable do you not agree



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and in response to the first part the right words can change anybodys mind or get them to understand