The Antarctica deception!

In the last couple of weeks China is about to establish a base on Antarcticas highest point named DOME 3 which is also the coldest and least habitable place on Antarctica or the earth in total for that matter with winds exceeding 25 m per sec at a constant low level. Sometimes in vintertime (Antarctica) it goes beyond that figure with as much as 40-45 m/s. The location of DOME 3 is more than 4000 meters above sealevel. (I´m raised with the metric system )

The word is that they´re gonna drill up an icecore which contains ice thats 1 million years old...
Antarctica contains 90 % of earths total amount of ice!

In my own opinion...

Most of the worlds countries with a say is represented at Antarctica with bases full of scientists... (and military personell in civilian gear)

This raises the question...

The Antartica bases costs billions of dollars together EACH day!
There are many natural resorces in Antarctica like oil, coal, diamonds and not to mention gold, tons of it is estimated. But mining is forbidden due to a treaty signed in the mid 1960s.

But still the race is on and every nation wants to be represented there!
To drill in ice?
Under the most extreme weatherconditions to be found on the planet, not near the most! The absolutely worst!

I myself recently lived in the arctic part of Sweden for four years and know what extreme weather and low temperature is, but nothing can ever be compared to Antarctic conditions. (Now live in the most southern part.)

Your piss is frozen stiff before it hits the ground! LITERALLY! You DO NOT go out for a piss when its below minus 65 degrees Celcius/minus 85 degrees Farenheit... You´ll be dead in less than a halfhour if you´re not used to the cold and well prepared.

I don´t believe a poop what they say about why they are there, I have my point of view totally made up, I know why they are so anxious to establish themselfes on Antarctica but before I blow the whistle I´d like to hear your opinion?

Well? what do you think?

Originally posted by serenityone
Well? what do you think?

I think you should quit stalling and tell us your reason for the Chinese presence at Dome C.

And also, I know several people that have been down the ice (at Mawson, Casey and Davis stations), and I myself have the option to spend 6 months or a year down there with my job. Not one of the people Ive known have said anything about military presence down there.

Do you have a source for any of this?

hey great thread!!

I think there is more to antartica than they are letting on!!! lake vostok? (sp) for a start.. and who knows wats under all that icey stuff.

bound to find interesting stuff there if anyplace, as its been like that for so long could even find temples n stuff form way back whenever!!

dunno if they would be crushed or destroyed but im guessing them things are intact or alteast bits of em are.. and for all we know they could have some ufo tpye stuff

atlantis always remined me of the artic "fell beneath the sea" could easy be a miss translation of under a # load of snow

i dunno but that place is interesting to say the least, u got more info?? would be happy to have a read ect

S+F

oh btw they are going back to that lake again!!! found it on the bbc website

They found a time portal and a portal to Middle Earth(the hollow earth civilization) The earth's crust is apparently 800 miles thick, leaving a 24,000 miles of atmosphere inside. Continents are spread out on the land surface inside the earth. There is a small nuclear fission sun about 600 miles across in the center of the earth which is suspended by it's own electromagnetic field, which is also the same electromagnetic filed of the earth which extends out into space. The inhabitants of Middle Earth are far more advanced than we are. They are responsible for many of the UFO sightings and new technology. They release their technology through thought waves.

Ok, Now it's your turn.

I'm glad you brought up this subject, I've always been drawn to what is not talked about in the MS.


I recently went to massive AGU trade show in San Fransisco, CA for work purposes showing off our underwater CO2 analyzers. While there I got a little bored at the booth so I wandered every other half hour during the week trying to learn as much as I could. With a background in a wide range of subjects it was rather easy to ask any general question and then dive into the juicy stuff.

There were 5 different companies in which focused on the Antartic, One was a super high deff printing booth that could print of 24"x 24 inch of anywhere in the Antarctic I was super pumped and requested the south pole, no luck, they focused on coastal regions and in only so far.

I then went to NASA's ridiculously huge booth where they orientated everything towards kids and silly pictures the earth and planets..I had alot of fun, some were very helpful but the questions could only go into so much detail before I lost them...It seems the brains don't appear much at these shows, and I wouldn't blame them i suppose.

I also caught alot of atmosphere based people and asked TONS of questions on vapor trails, making sure never to use the words chemtrails..I had very good arguments and kept to the fact you can see them creating cloud cover and I asked a pilot what is the efficiency and where did the rest


Anyways I could go on forever , feel free to pm me on what I discovered from them..In conclusion of Antarctica though, I found no data on anything amazing mainly due to the fact that they LACK the data on key questions. Keep searching! anything is possible

I talked with space data imagery database people...Core samplers, different atmosphere people, NASA in many fields and questions, NOAA who has a 4D globe of the earth with cool data, pollution and temp..etc..I argued Global warming alot, saying well who pays the scientists...it all comes down to funding most of the time...bringing up solar maxims and minimums

And this has what to do with ancient and lost civilizations?

Your turn to tell us your opinion, serenityone.

I'm interested.

i guess its the same reason countries go anywhere, NATURAL RESOURCES - oil, natural gas, minerals.

no other reason than this. its a huge area and a massive untapped resource, that eventually , many countries will want a share of, regardless of its effect on the environment.

its the same reason the Russians are making a military base in the Arctic.

Greedy governments will probably end up going to war over this too. watch this space.

reply to post by grantbeed


Yes, i know this to be fact. I even read a couple of years back an excellent novel written by Dan Brown, author of the DaVinci code. The book is called Deception point. Although a fiction novel, it often portrays part of the reality.

Antarctica is both a part of the world and an icy continent. The landmass of this continent is by 98 percent covered in ice.
it has about twice(!) the size of Australia and about 70 % of earths water is located at Antartica but in the form of ice. 35% of all of our natural recources are located here in those I mentioned in my previous post.
Antarctica is one of the coldest and dryest place and most highly located places on earth. The average height is 2500 Meters above sealevel. the Vinson massive holds an 5140 meters and thats where the Chinese is about to establish themselfes.
The lowest temperature ever measured is minus -89 degrees Celcius.
And finally the southpole is located 2835 meters above sealevel.

I know the facts! I could look it up in some google page and have everything verified... so could you... I don´t have to!

This is my story:
I am a Swedish citizen who was born in the southern part of Sweden called Scania, SKÅNE in original. (Skaune)
I started off in the military when i was 19 and applyed to being an officer in the swedish military (The army) and placed myself as an officer in the reserve which means that I served for 13 years in total but had a total of 6 years in active service.
Thats how it works in my country and when I wasnt doing military service I was just another carpenter on just another building site. Nothing strange with this where I come from.

But here´s the deal.
In October 1996 I went to Iceland to work on "Borgarspitallin" in Reykjavik. Me and a couple of hundred other workers doing renovation on the cityhospital. In the end of April I came back to Sweden and was suposed to go to Kosovo on a military mission in the beginning of june, but when I came to my headquarters at ING2 Eksjö, Sweden which is an engineer regiment www.mil.se...
My OIC popped me a question: -Would you be interested in going to the southpole?
I heard the bang when my cheek hit the floor! And there it is! 6 months of cold hell! June 3rd 1997to january 5th 1998.

We were two guys contracted for doing maintenance and build a new sleeping quarters on the Finnish Wasa/Aboa station and the Swedish Svea station (Both Queen Maud land).

So far thats about it! The reason we were called in is because we were military so we knew how to shut up!

And the reason I state that theres only military in Antarctica is simply because all I meet where! Every single one from the nordic countries, from germany and from Japan which were the only nationalities I meet. All employed by the military, end of story! I visited the bases Wasa/Aboa, Svea, kohnen, AWS 3, Dome Fuji, Mizuho and Syowa.
One time we where called in at the Norwegian Troll station.

Japan has self-defence forces because they are by international law forbidden to have a military force but these guys did belong to the NPA, Japanese National Police. If you look upon it from a birds perspective I was the janitor along with my colleague. But in real life we served as Snipers trained to shoot at mines so yes in general we were pyrotechnichians who had lerned to shoot. To make 13 years a short story

So far I hope you dont get tired of reading this very long post, but I feel an urge to take the basics just instead of popping the punchline!

Continued...

[edit on 09/3/30 by serenityone]

Well in which case you get the whole picture!

The conclusion!
Me and my friend was bored when we where of off course, but we had acces to "hägglunds" tracked vehicle and snow mobiles. And here´s the issue:

We worked 6 days a week between 0700-1900 except for sundays so the first weeks "being on the southpole" was more like the most boring choice I´ve ever did.
Except for that one day...
Me and my friend went out on snowmobiles one sunday and we had been given strict orders to not go north! Our OIC said it so many times that we had blood coming out of our ears...we asked him why and he said on a friendly level that to be frank, he didn´t have a clue but these were strict orders. So.. we´d been there for 5 months at that time and where permanently bored to death, the only fun we had was driving snow mobiles! So we (2 persons) decided that if this is the biggest secret on a continent that is twice the size of Australia we just had to go there! "There" was the coastline and I swear on both my mothers and her brothers grave that this is the truth to the letter!!!

We could only be gone for a day but we could put the blame on the fact that this is a huge continent, we speak about Africa, Australia. north and south America, Asia and Europe as continents of the world but understand this, Antarctica is enormous in size! We had to do this! This was a chance in a lifetime, literally speaking! And we did. But instead of 2 days as in our plan we where gone for five. We got onto our snowmobiles and drove along the coast line for 1,5 days, understand this: we where determined to find something, anything...we didn´t have a clue what we where looking for, BUT we knew for a fact that something was out there! Don´t ask me to explain it, everyone knew that there where something of a super secret along the coastline that was more secret than Area 51 if I compare out of thin air! You can´t even imagine, it´s like this area has seized to excist in the human mind!
At That time I didn´t have a clue about anything, 9/11 hadn´t happened and neither Iraq, 1997 was as it seems today a totally other world!
What can I tell you about the ride? Utterly nothing since we drove some 20 kilometers/clicks inwards the shoreline only seing white snow everywhere, a compass was the only thing we had. Gps was something we had heard as a possibillity and a sandpaper probably would have worked better. This was in -97 don´t forget that!

Some kind of long conclusion don´t you think?
Well I´ve told some people here back home but they don´t have a clue what I´m talking about when I come to the "grand finale" but i strongly suspect that one or two of you might!

I started to investigate this "matter" after I came home from the southpole and today I have probably read everything in the subject concidering this matter and have come to one conclusion the whole time.
You might believe it or not and start to question everything I´ve said so far but I dont give a flying
I KNOW WHAT I SAW!!!

I´ve tried to tell people who even where conspiracy theorists but they said only that they didn´t get the picture.
Well I´ve dedicated the years since December 28th 1997 to this very event and the thing that enlightened me was the simple fact that one lie feeds another and whats kept a secret is a true lie!

To be honest... we stumbled on something huge and I´m not speaking about when we reached our forwarded destination because we never got there! This I saw with my very own eyes in 1997!
We had a plotted course and cruised at a speed of around 60 km/h and had blue skies and not a human being in 50 km radius to our knowledge! And suddenly we where in a dead end!
We stopped at a 4,5 meter/15 ft high wall made of concrete! In Antarctica! And that wall wasn´t that old I can ensure you!

We drove along the wall for 40 kilometers and then we stopped and turned back to the Svea station. It seemed like it went on forever...

Continued...

[edit on 09/3/30 by serenityone]

Edit by spiderj. Please do not circumvent obscenity T&C

[edit on 3/31/2009 by Spiderj]

At this time I only understood that all we found back then was a concrete wall and nothing more to it. Except for one thing, after we turned back and came to the first point we´d reached by the wall there where someone looking at us a couple of hundred feet - straight up! We saw something that turned us white and we where scared

Today I know better! What we came across is one thing and one thing only! Best kept secret of our present civilization I would suggest! But there it was, alive and kicking! -Neu Schwabenland...

There are NO other reasonable explanation other than this! Because we were at that very precise area!

I can´t repeat it enough!

I KNOW WHAT I SAW!!!

[edit on 3/31/2009 by Spiderj]

Originally posted by serenityone
We were two guys contracted for doing maintenance and build a new sleeping quarters on the Finnish Wasa/Aboa station and the Swedish Svea station (Both Queen Maud land).

Are you sure it was 1997 that you did this?

According the to Svea Research station page, the living quarters were expanded in 1992/93

The station is used periodically during the field seasons and was the main base during the 1992/93 expedition when Svea was expanded with a living module and a workshop and storage container

www.polar.se...

Sorry it doesnt add up (please be aware, I am not calling you out here, just yet anyway). It was created with four beds, and I dont see anything that points to it being expanded from its original four beds.

Originally posted by serenityone
At this time I only understood that all we found back then was a concrete wall and nothing more to it. Except for one thing, after we turned back and came to the first point we´d reached by the wall there where someone looking at us a couple of hundred feet - straight up! We saw something that turned us white and we where scared shiitless!!!

Today I know better! What we came across is one thing and one thing only! Best kept secret of our present civilization I would suggest! But there it was, alive and kicking! -Neu Schwabenland...

There are NO other reasonable explanation other than this! Because we were at that very precise area!

I can´t repeat it enough!

I KNOW WHAT I SAW!!!

Tell us what you saw! You didn't describe it for us. You said someone was looking at you from a couple of hundred feet straight up. Who was the someone? Why were you so scarred? What did they look like? How were they up there? Where they in a craft of some kind and hovering?
Spit it out man!! I'm dying to know, and I bet others are too.

So was this 'concrete wall' built on the ice or bedrock?

btw it's Dome A where the Chinese are building their new base (plans for which were first announced in 2004

Yes, many nations keep bases on Antarctica to maintain a presence in the hope they may one day be able to obtain mineral rights there, but most people living on the continent are civilians carrying out various scientific research. Been tempted to apply for a job there myself a few times!

Maybe he saw part of the remains of Atlantis? I read another thread that suggested it's buried there under the ice.

So you came across an old Nazi base??
en.wikipedia.org...
Maybe?

Originally posted by serenityone

Today I know better! What we came across is one thing and one thing only! Best kept secret of our present civilization I would suggest! But there it was, alive and kicking! -Neu Schwabenland...

There are NO other reasonable explanation other than this! Because we were at that very precise area!

I can´t repeat it enough!

I KNOW WHAT I SAW!!!

For those of you unfamiliar with Neu Schwabenland, it is aparently a secret NAZI facility. The OP believe he stumbled up this site that holds myths and conspiracies.

One question about this- a concrete wall? How does one go about mixing concrete- especially a large amount- in an environment where water instantly freezes? No liquid water= no concrete. Concrete is hardly an ideal building material in the Antarctic. It's kind of like trying to build an igloo in the desert.

Why build a huge, expensive wall in a place where you are least likely to have potential intruders?

[edit on 30-3-2009 by moonwilson]

en.wikipedia.org...

Two more expeditions were scheduled for 1939–1940 and 1940–1941. These were expected to search for suitable whaling grounds and, more importantly, extend Germany’s territorial claims in the Antarctic. The second expedition would also address some military issues, probably investigating the feasibility of naval bases from which Germany could control the South Atlantic and Indian Ocean along with the Drake Passage. Both were cancelled with the outbreak of World War II.

The name Neuschwabenland (or New Schwabenland or New Swabia) is still used for the region on some maps, as are many of the German names given to its geographic features.[2] Neumayer Station, Germany's current Antarctic research facility, is located in the New Swabia area.

This expedition has led to speculation, given no credence by academic historians, of secret Nazi bases, Nazi UFOs, and Nazi survival in Antarctica. These conspiracy theories enjoy a considerable popularity in Esoteric Nazism. It is easy to disprove the assertion that the Schwabenland continued to visit Antarctica several times after the 1939 expedition, transporting large amounts of technical equipment, since the ship's whereabouts are well-documented throughout the war.[3]





Legal standing

Map of Antarctica showing the location and size of New Swabia as claimed by Germany from 1939 to 1945.No country ever recognized Germany's claim, which lapsed with the unconditional surrender to the Allied Powers signed on 8 May 1945 leading to the Berlin Declaration made by the Allied Control Council, which legally dissolved Germany's civilian government and was further acknowledged in 1990 when a re-unified German government signed the Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany.