Support Abortion? Watch this video and please defend your decisions...

Originally posted by jd140
reply to post by MattMulder

 

Since you went on the attack in support of your opinion on abortion let me ask you this.

If the fetus poses no health risk to the mother and the mother doesn't want the child what would be the harm of carrying it to term and finding adoptive parents for the newborn instead of aborting it?

Granted rape and incest should be grounds for abortion. I'm talking of those who willingly have sex and the female becomes pregnant.

Haha, my girlfriend is (for example) pregnant because of a condom accident and we'll both have to live with that mistake for 9 months and then after all the suffering that it involves the baby will be taken away if we want to?
I assume you're a cold-hearted man who never went through this personaly, you wouldn't even talk about it if you had. I've been guilty for my ex gf's pregnancy, and even if she aborted 4 weeks later, every single day i had a freakin knot in the stomach and just wanted it to end. So did her.
Anyway, having lawmakers decide what's best for pregnant teens/women is just one step towards fascism. pure, and simple fascism

[edit on 26-3-2009 by MattMulder]

reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows

I have not stated a man has no responsiblity

I never stated that you did, who's creating strawman's now? I even asked you to clarify if this is what you meant and you did not. I disagree that the consequences of the sex fall on the woman in the end since she has the choice to abort, this is what I have been debating with you.

Now that we clarified that, please continue our other discussion.

[edit on 26-3-2009 by rapinbatsisaltherage]

reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage


And that is not even mentioning the cases in which the male is not given a choice and would happily take responsiblity and raise the child yet the child is aborted anyway and maybe even without his knowledge of the conception or subsequent abortion.

reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage


Considering I have repeatedly stated this was not the case before you asked that question. Riiiggghhhtttt.
This second line is pretty.

[edit on 26-3-2009 by Watcher-In-The-Shadows]

Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage

 

And that is not even mentioning the cases in which the male is not given a choice and would happily take responsiblity and raise the child yet the child is aborted anyway and maybe even without his knowledge of the conception or subsequent abortion.

Again you're ignoring that the man knows this is a possible out come when he chooses to have sexual relations.

reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows


Did you notice that was a QUESTION, which as I SAID BEFORE you did not choose to answer. You're going in circles. You made repeated statements that you yourself contradicted, this confused me so I asked you to clarify and you did not, then you started asking silly questions about abortions magically happening.

[edit on 26-3-2009 by rapinbatsisaltherage]

reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage


How is that sentence even a logical argument for abortion?
This second line is pretty.

reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage


And your consciously attempting to tick me off so you can "win" the argument. Too bad I am not trying to win anything, just stating my views and case. And endlessly clarifying since you take this tactic.

[edit on 26-3-2009 by Watcher-In-The-Shadows]

Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage

 

How is that sentence even a logical argument for abortion?
This second line is pretty.

If you're talking about that Mozart statement I was clearly not arguing for abortion with that and you KNOW this. I was showing that your argument was (for lack of a better word) lame. We can never know if a terminated baby would have been a good or bad person. That was obviously my point.



[edit on 26-3-2009 by rapinbatsisaltherage]

reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage


Considering that was a response to this dribble?

Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage

Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage

 

And that is not even mentioning the cases in which the male is not given a choice and would happily take responsiblity and raise the child yet the child is aborted anyway and maybe even without his knowledge of the conception or subsequent abortion.

Again you're ignoring that the man knows this is a possible out come when he chooses to have sexual relations.

Originally posted by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage

 

And your consciously attempting to tick me off so you can "win" the argument. Too bad I am not trying to win anything, just stating my views and case. And endlessly clarifying since you take this tactic.

[edit on 26-3-2009 by Watcher-In-The-Shadows]

Please show how I have tried to tick you off? You were the first to say that I was "dancing" around an issue. Fine, if you're really so sensitive lets agree to disagree and simply move on to our other discussion.

reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows

Considering that was a response to this dribble?

I'm trying to bait you? Please, you're calling my statement dribble.

How is this dribble: Again you're ignoring that the man knows this is a possible out come when he chooses to have sexual relations.

It's true.

[edit on 26-3-2009 by rapinbatsisaltherage]

reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage


Hm, refusal to answer simple questions? Or how about constantly and consciously applying any context you feel like taking a statement in even going as far as taking a linear conversation and pretending it isn't? Or even better yet, how about playing a game of "I know you are but what am I" with every statement made in exasperation with said tactics?

reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage


I am done arguing my point and I suggest you do the same.

He is trying to do a play on words and is failing miserably. The reason why there can never be constructive debates about this topic is because of the previous example...

reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows


Nice try, but you’re the one avoiding questions here. You’re the one rambling about me baiting you while you’re the one calling my statements dribble and not willing to defend those accusations. I say we act like adults and move on, we agree to disagree about the responsibility and consequence issues that come with male and female sexual activity.

Now that we’ve moved on to that lets respectfully return to our other discussion.

Have you ever housed a foster care child? Do you intend to in the future?

Your “Mozart” argument was impractical and I already explained why, if you wish to further discuss it please respond to my response to it.

reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows


What do you think about the satistics of what happens to unwanted babies? If you have no knowledge of this I can find you some links.

Originally posted by FritosBBQTwist
reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage

 

I am done arguing my point and I suggest you do the same.

He is trying to do a play on words and is failing miserably. The reason why there can never be constructive debates about this topic is because of the previous example...

I really want to attempt to return to a respectful conversation though. I’m tired of pro-life people getting out of arguments with deflection and baiting. I appreciate the suggestion though. I can see why you left the discussion, though I wasn’t directly apart of it, it was even frustrating to watch.

reply to post by rapinbatsisaltherage


!) Once again in a different configuration, how is it anyone's responsibility what someone else does? Because it is a possibility that an outcome will happen does not make that outcome that person's fault. OR else we should be executing gun sellers for murder should a gun they sell be used for murder.
2) If you wish to dig up some statistics from unbiased sources I don't mind looking at them.

[edit on 26-3-2009 by Watcher-In-The-Shadows]

reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows


1. I've moved on from that, I'm done with that discussion because it is heated and you seem to side step my argument or think we're having a different discussion.
2. While I do so please respond to my other post, I've asked you some of those questions more than twice. I do not plan on continuing to discuss this with you if you ignore my posts.

[edit on 26-3-2009 by rapinbatsisaltherage]

I haven't read all 10 pages of this thread yet but.. RosaryFilms? I would not trust a single word of anything under that youtube account.
Theres mountains of lies, propaganda and disinformation under "rosaryfilms".

I can even remember a video making bush look like a saint for one of the bills he passed.
Try to comment with the truth on one of the videos. Your post will probably get deleted and if it's on a subject that everyone already bombarded with the truth, the comments will be disabled.(although I don't think rasaryfilms can keep up with all the people now.)

My opinion is that of pro-choice. I don't think the government should decide who gets to live in the situation where the mother could die during birth.