Soldiers pledge to refuse disarmament demands

People need to get over the idea that our military are automatons and not human beings and American citizens. Granted there will be a handful of non-critical thinking idiots who depend on thier higher-ups for permission to take a crap, but for the most part our military know the difference. If anything most of the soldiers and new recruits out there will refuse to harm people they SWORE to protect. They've seen the videos and the news reports. Trust me, you can rest easy in the fact the U.S. military will not turn against its family, friends, and loved ones.

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We are continually edging closer to open defiance of government.

I honestly wonder if the Obama administration really understands how close to the edge this country really is in terms of declaring self-government.

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I don't think he does. Even with all the garbage propaganda about him ACTUALLY listening to the people, he is managing to continue and even elevate his skill in the almighty political arena. Politicians don't live or even come into the REAL world. When they do it is a photo op or a chance to lie and garner votes to keep thier lying carcasses in power. Obama is the same as the rest of them Rep AND Dems. Only when these people see the American public and Military standing side by side outside of thier places of employment demanding thier removal, will the idea EVER sink in.

Originally posted by TrueBrit

Right , lets talk about bailouts shall we ? First of all , the banks of the entire world , including your nation would no longer exist if not for assitance from the taxpayer. Same with the motor industry , and everything else thats getting bailed out. If you fancy living without the goods and services provided by these companies and institutions, then you are a damned fool. I can assure you the rest of america would DIE of fear if they thought all thier labour saving devices such as motorcars, dishwashers, etc, would cease to be made in your nation, and Im sure they would also be appalled if thier savings ended up being liquidated in a total collapse of a bank.

My savings would not be liquidated if AIG failed, GM, or many of these other insolvent companies. I do not know any American what so ever that would die if they didn't have a brand new car or a dishwasher nor does that have anything to do with my money being stolen by the government to prop up insolvent entities.

Globalism ? Well lets face it , America has FORCED globalism on everyone else over the years by expanding its international businesses and selling its technology to every nation on the freaking planet, so theres no one to blame for that but the business empires of america, which in a democracy , the president can do little about anyway .

I agree with you here. However you would be quite naive to blame it on America. America was just the most efficient delivery system for the time for the globalists fascist agenda.

TORTURE??? Are you having a laugh ? Hes closing the concentration camp at Guantanamo bay, and hes doing more about the problems that are rife within the intelligence community than say , Bush or any of the other " I dont need to know , so I dont want to " presidents your nation has had to put up with.

If you read between the fine lines Gitmo has yet to be closed and he is expanding our other secret bases in other parts of the world to continue the torture there. Search it on ATS, it's all there. I don't have time to research for you right now.

And regards Afganistan, thats where the Al Queda that everyone is always yelling about , resides. The fact that Obama had to pull his troops out of Iraq to properly address the actual problem(terrorism) which your nation CLAIMS started the war on terror.

First of all, Obama has continually pushed back the date to withdraw the troops. To date as far as I have read the only troops pulled out of Iraq have gone straight to Afghanistan.

You arent unhappy with your president, you are unhappy with your nation, and what its demands on resources mean for both its foriegn and domestic policy . All the man is doing , is what needs doing , and dont forget, he made election promises based on the economic and social situations of the time , all of which are so different to what they were , as to be unrecognisable.

Secondly I am very unhappy with my president and the entire Federal Government. I am not unhappy with my nation what so ever.

The nation has been lied too and even worse not been represented what so ever. 98 percent of the nation were against the bailouts but our Federal Government passed them anyway.

You need to get more politicaly savvy if you think that when things change drasticaly , a decent president wont have to make at least SOME compromises in order to affect survival .

I do not need to get anymore politically savvy what so ever. There should be absolutely NO compromises what so ever when it comes to liberty and wealth of me and my fellow citizens.

I would suggest you need to wake up. I am just glad more and more Americans are waking up and realizing their liberties are being taken away at an ever accelerating rate.

The will of our people is no longer represented and our Federal Government has gone rogue at the hands of a few psychotically power hungry people which is exactly why the Second Amendment was written.

So to get back on topic...
The police and the military live in this country too. They have families and suffer the same for the policies of global elites. Which is why the website this thread is about is as successful as it is.


Truebrit, I hope the best for you, but I hope you realize sooner than later that the world does not work the way CNN says it does.

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Originally posted by Retseh
We are continually edging closer to open defiance of government.

I honestly wonder if the Obama administration really understands how close to the edge this country really is in terms of declaring self-government.

True. It has been a very long time - 1776 and 1860 - since Americans have had to think in those terms about their own country.

I was just wondering if someday people won't look back at the subject of this thread as being the opening "shot".

Oh, and Titor anyone????



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Originally posted by MajesticJax
Hi all-

I made a small donation to the guy's "project"- here's the email I got back from him: (personal info removed):

BEGIN

To the crew of Global Equity,

Thank you so much!

Your donation is going straight to our web development. The new site will be at Oathkeepers.org (but the Blogspot will always stay up). Originally it was planned to go up in a month or two but because of the support we've received it will most likely be up in two weeks.

We are also putting together a new video highlighting the 10 orders we will not obey. The first video will be used, in part, as an intro.

Also, we have a few more projects in the works, including care packages for troops with Oath keeper material inside.

Thanks again.

We are simply overwhelmed with emails, support, media inquiries and phone calls and we are absolutely amazed at how fast it's taking off.

This is the beginning of something huge and you're a part of it.

Thank you.

Stewart

Yep, that's the kind of guy that Stewart is.

Oath Keepers is an important project that deserves the attention and support it's been getting.

Originally posted by riggs2099
reply to post by Common Good

 

Yeah I know all about you "marines", we worked with them a few times. Always talk smack and are pretty high on themselves. Pretty damn worthless though when thier guns are gone. When working with american military most not all are pretty damn clueless as to the word improvise. Oh well...I can sit here and be ignorant..

because I am off for a few months with a broken ankle.

Frankly your attitude makes me sick. I assume you're an American citizen so you should know that many, many soldiers, INCLUDING MARINES, have sacrificed and died for your freedoms. I find your insults toward our soldiers DISGRACEFUL and IGNORANT.

Frankly you should get down on your hands and knees and thank common good for serving so you can have a better life.

Obviously you haven't matured enough to realize how much you owe soldiers such as common good but I hope you look back on your comments one day and realize that what you said was wrong and you feel shame for how poorly you acted toward a HERO.

On a side note, I'd like to take this opportunity to thank
common good for putting his life on the line to protect our freedoms and our way of life in general.
THANK YOU C.G. I consider you and every other soldier a TRUE HERO.

Originally posted by ZindoDoone

This looks to be the best way to gage how our troops and LEO's will react to illegal orders by a regime in DC thats hellbent to disarm American citizens to further their socialist, one party agenda! More and more soldiers and law enforcement are under pressure to submit to illegal actions under illegal laws passed by a government that badly needs to be reigned in!

Zindo

www.worldnetdaily.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

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What illegal orders, actions and laws are you talking about?
Not heard of one gun being taken out of anyone's hands in the past 60 days.

A gun is not going to protect you from an economic collapse and loss of a job, by the way. It isn't going to allow you to vote more. And if people cannot be more informed -- they certainly won't know who is messing up their lives.

What is someone with a gun going to do when they no longer own their own home or have a job? The fascists already stole all your money -- you just don't know it yet. They will be doing nothing but sabotaging any Liberal efforts to stem the hemorrhaging just like a certain fascist group did about 60 years ago to the Weimar Republic.

AS long as these military guys are talking about "illegal orders" they won't comply with -- where was their constitutional backbone when we invaded a country without probable cause, tortured people, and left weapons depots intact while a civil war was brewing?

I really hope these guys NEVER follow an illegal order -- that is what they are supposed to do when they take an oath to the Constitution -- NOT the President.

But confiscating guns in a war zone? Please. If it ever comes to that -- fine, you leave the bad guy with a gun, because you don't want to hurt his feelings. The only group that EVER confiscated guns was Blackwater, after the Katrina disaster following the orders of Republicans. OMG!

Your freedoms will probably NOT be taken away at gunpoint -- or in an obvious way you can defend against. It will be some complicated ruling, and some paperwork you forgot that you had to file. It will be gradual. You won't know who to blame, because the people taking your money and your freedom will spend lots for propaganda on TV and radio so that you don't know.

Maybe you've listened to Rush Limbaugh or Michelle Malkin before...

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My savings would not be liquidated if AIG failed, GM, or many of these other insolvent companies. I do not know any American what so ever that would die if they didn't have a brand new car or a dishwasher nor does that have anything to do with my money being stolen by the government to prop up insolvent entities.

>> Well, before the Glass Steagal act got repealed, banks couldn't link up like dominos to protect each other -- and cause each other to fail like Dominoes. We learned this lesson during the Great Depression and we forgot it again after Reaganomics took hold.

In 1995, the Bankruptcy Reform Act, revered the obligations of banks that foreclosed. Used to be Employees, then Debts, then various things and then finally, Investment Obligations like Credit Default Swaps.

Well, Senator Grassly (R), along with BushCo, pushed the Bankruptcy Reform Act (that made it almost impossible for citizens to go bankrupt and get out of obligations). However, it reversed bankruptcy obligations.

Guess what? Those Credit Default Swaps -- which is a fancy term for "insurance" on top of an insured product so that you can trade a bad mortgage as if it were AAA rated bonds, take it as a deposit, and have fun layering on more phony paper in the Derivatives Market (unregulated, by the way, so you just KNOW the free market made everything right

So, if AIG fails, then the Credit Defaults go into Default and must be paid immediately. The American taxpayer, unfortunately, is on the hook. The government in 2005, the World Bank and the Fed conspired to hang their funny money around our neck.

Guess what? The Derivatives market, that is being backstopped by all these failing banks, has over $1.4 Quadrillion in liabilities.

>> And while the TV and Radio is getting everyone outraged at all those losers who got mortgages they couldn't afford -- what is the question that isn't being asked? What happened to the Private Mortgage Insurance that protects the lender? If YOU take out a loan and go into default. The lender loses nothing -- NOTHING, because the 1st 20% of the loan is covered by PMI.

You see, AIG gambled the PMI (illegally) from their British division for funds in the US, to bet them on the,.... Credit Default Swaps. That insurance money is wrapped up in about ten layers of trades -- so they can't pay off the banks for the defaulting loans until they unravel it.

So basically, we HAD TO bail out these SOB's because they rigged the world economic markets to self-destruct. You think 9/11 was a tragedy? -- find out how many of us will starve if the economic system comes crashing down.

And it was all done with the Well Compensated, Free Market, champions of industry knowing what they Hell the risks were.

Originally posted by merkaba93
I have every confidence the majority of our military would side with the people.

The PTB realize that as well and hence we have agreements to bring in Mexican, Canadian and/or UN troops... er I mean "Peacekeepers".

They can also choose to go the paid professional route a la Blackwater during Katrina

I WAS one of those "paid professional types" (recently quit in disgust), and I can tell you for fact that your fears of Blackwater and such are way overblown. Not enough of them to worry about any sort of large-scale crackdown, and that's ASSUMING they are all on the side of the "bad guys", which I assure you is not the case. Folks tend to go into that line of work because they get to pick their own enemies, rather than having the government choose for them. They can, and DO, turn down questionable contracts. Securing a city after a natural disaster? sure. Some guys go "over the top"? sure. Massive policing of the entire US in turmoil after a rogue government crackdown? Not just no, but HELL no!

nenothtu out

Originally posted by Freenrgy2
I don't recall if this is from a movie or if I just made it all up but I have a picture in my head of somone cowering in a corner and being labeled a threat. There are a few soldiers around. One soldier is gung ho on bringing this guy to justice and the one of the soldiers with him states that this man hasn't done anything wrong and that they just can't treat him like this. Just then, a lieutenant walks through the door, draws his weapon and shoots the man in the head, killing him. This is done to send a message to the rest of the soldiers to do their job.

Ain't it grand the times we live in.

That's why officers had to check their boots for grenades every morning in Vietnam....

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I do hope TPTB all think like you. It will make our job SO much easier, as that would mean they've already underestimated a ticked-off citizenry.

As far as your quip about "leading the world" into whatever fantasy you want to be led into, that ain't my job. The rest of the world isn't mine to lead. If you can't lead yourselves, slink back into your hole and leave us be. We got our own country to fix.

nenothtu out

Originally posted by DataWraith
Speaking as a Brit on the American issues , I feel that the Oath people are trying to do a good job, an honourable job, but unfortunately it will be like the old Russia. The State(s) will kill a few serving personnel both police AND army to make the others fear for their lives and the lives of their families, then the rest will just jump on command.
They will follow 'orders' no matter how repugnant to their consciense because they are scared of the State(s) and its 'secret police' who will infest their ranks trying to spot 'dissidents'.

The MIL is an extremely close knit community by-in-large, even more so when you delve into families at the Base and Unit levels. If there became even a hint of belief that "Big Brother", or whoever, was offing personnel in an attempt to play their hand, then there would arise a backlash of insurmountable and unquashable proportions.

Unlike the Russians, Americans have never been beaten and stomped into submission. They are two extremely different societies, and the United States will delve into another "Civil War", or "Revolution", long before it irreversibly amounts to a Soviet Socialist Republic.

Originally posted by TrueBrit

Second, you complain about your right to bare arms being infringed... pathetic. If you recall the reason that you would want those arms, is to make sure your nation cannot be subverted, and so that you can take your nation back by force if it is lost to oppression . Well heres a giggle, even if every citizen had an M16 you would STILL be outgunned, and completely incapable of effecting overthrow. YOU dont have tanks, YOU dont have attack planes , YOU do not have massive ordenance delivery methods at your disposal , and you cannot get those things by force because the people protecting those assets are better trained and better armed than you .

I have yet to witness the Taliban or Al-Qaeda in Iraq possessing APC's, Helos, Air Power, or even a Naval Force. Not to mention the fact that the Insurgents cannot even hold a Rifle Correctly, let alone Shoot Straight. Yet, somehow, they have inflicted Thousands of Casualties upon our personnel. Beforehand, the Northern Alliance did even more so against the Soviets, and yet their Primary Firepower consisted of Mule Caravans with Triple A Guns, and Shoulder Mounted SAM's. Your attempted "point" emanates from a complete lack of understanding in regards to even the most basic aspects of Warfare.

I am certain that your British predecessors felt the same arrogant way towards the Colonials of the United States, and look where it got them in the end.

Third , the only danger in your nation from the objective veiw point, is that if IF your frontier spirit comes back and kicks the alleged fascist (HAHAHAHAHA WHAT???) off the hot seat, it will be the resulting government which will be the oppressor , the violent, the rascist , the Neo Nazi . If you rise against NOW as opposed to say when Bush was on the top of the dog pile, then that would be the most damning indictment of your entire nation, worse than thousands of innocent people dead at the hands of an illegal war, worse than the CIA importing tone after tone of coke to mess people up with, and much worse than any of the NWO crap you hear about. You ought to understand that you have a better chance now , with the president you have, and the possibilities thereby arising, than you have ever had before, and in all likelihood if you pass this oppertunity for greatness up, you wont get it again in a long long time.
Its your choice, either help lead the world to equality and the wide ranging benifits of that, or lead just your nation into the fire of civil war, and the spread of ignorance. Enjoy that decision, depending on your choice it may be the last one you make !

Funny, you espouse the United States as a Nation of "Ignorance Spreading", yet the last time I checked the vast majority of Immigrants from around the Globe risk Life, and Limb to make it to our shores. Yes, for a Nation that is "So Horrible", and "So Wrong", and "So Hated In The World", the facts seem to run quite contradictory to such.

Now as far as an "Illegal War", since when have you ever been able to judge a Nation's reason for going to War? If a Nation sees it within their scope to take any and all actions necessary in order to secure their future, then by God they have a right to engage in such activities. The only reason you call this war "Illegal" is because the Unqualified Nitwits and their Insecure Council decided against such Activities. They however have no legal standings, and cannot dictate to a Nation Policies involving its own National Security. If it were up to individuals like you, we would argue over such matters in Court Battles, and not on Battlefields. Yes, this would most certainly solve the World's Ills, this you must be certain of. Maybe you should have sued Hitler, and might we slap Ahmadinejad with an Eviction Notice? How about delivering a Summons to Kim Jung Il? Is that the "Legal" and "Proper" way of taking care of Security Threats?

People,

It is starting. Soldiers, Government Agencies and Law Enforcement please take note. There will be times where your very own values will be tested and it will be up to you to do what is right.

Defend this country from ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC!

Misdirecting and disinformation are there only tools right now. They! Who are they? Do anyone of us really know who they are? Well, I will tell you who they are not. They are not The Marines, The Army, The AirForce, and they not the Navy or the Coast Guard. They are not your local law enforcement and they are not your neighbor. So who are they?

My challenge and charge to all of you with any investigative or computer skills, a background in intelligence or law enforcement or just really good at snooping, find out who these power players are and name them, take pictures of them, find out who they are before it is too late. If you don't have any of these skills but have alot of disposible income, hire a professional private investigator. Someone knows. Freelance Journalists, think about the fame and fortune that would befriend you is you broke this story. Find out who the people are that are making the decisions for the people we voted in office to make for us.

I have been watching for a while now, things get heated and then they get quite, a law is passed and they get heated again and so on and so on and so on. This will never end as long as the ones who are seated in congress remain in those seats. THEY MUST BE VOTED OUT while there is still peace in this country.

No one wants civil war, unrest, marshall law. If we do not change congress by WE THE PEOPLE VOTING then we will have all of this because they will not change. Congress needs to be refreshed, every seat. Every seat needs to be replaced by someone who lives by the law, respects the law, and will at any cost to him or her, uphold and defend the will of the people and U.S. Constitution.

WE THE PEOPLE have a chance right now to act and stop this madness and out of control lunacy in our elected officials, We have to come together now and demand that OUR HOUSE come to order. For if we do nothing, and we do not act with the pen and the voice now then the very thing that we all fear and do not want will find its way to our country.


Things like this start with one voice with one email or with phone call. Lay off of the UFO stuff for right now and please help with this little problem that we have in this world right now.


WE THE PEOPLE, are what make up this GREAT country and everything about it. Let's keep it GREAT!


Yours truly,

Eye of Eagle

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Mystiq, thats not justice at all, its sad and pathetic. The right to bare arms is the only thing holding this country together, and the reason I say that is because without them, we have no REAL means to fight back. Protesting only goes so far when the cops are shoving ar-15s down your throats.
If we didnt have the right to bare arms, we take away the right to protect our families and our property from anyone who wants to come in and take that away from us. The govt should never intervene with a person and their right to protect themselves from all of the aholes out there. I know things arent as bad in Canada as in the states, but you should still have the right to defend yourself. Hell, if you ask me, if I was going to rob, or mug someone, I wouldnt do it where everyone was packing, I would go to a place where I knew that they wouldnt fight back. Kind of like when a guy goes out to steal a car, he doesnt go to the hood to steal a car, he goes to the rich neighborhoods to steal the car. These gun laws are ridiculous and we need to fight for them every chance we can get.

While an enlisted soldier swears an oath to protect the constitution and to obey the orders of the officers and what not above him, officers have a different oath.
I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God."

Nothing about the president in there, just the constitution.

Originally posted by TheAgentNineteen
Now as far as an "Illegal War", since when have you ever been able to judge a Nation's reason for going to War? If a Nation sees it within their scope to take any and all actions necessary in order to secure their future, then by God they have a right to engage in such activities.

Except it wasn't "a Nation" that decided to invade and occupy Iraq.

It was a bunch of treasonous, murderous PNAC neocons like Cheney, Wolfowitz, Abrams, Perle, etc.

As 19th century robber baron Jay Gould said, "I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half."

Originally posted by vonholland
reply to post by riggs2099

 

riggs you are highly trolling the thread, this is about the soldiers, not he right to own guns...

on topic please

Ummm since when have you become a MOD and are allowed to go around telling people what to do. Since you are an insignificant bug...I brush you off my shoulder and tell you be gone insect...