Soldiers pledge to refuse disarmament demands

reply to post by Common Good


Yeah I know all about you "marines", we worked with them a few times. Always talk smack and are pretty high on themselves. Pretty damn worthless though when thier guns are gone. When working with american military most not all are pretty damn clueless as to the word improvise. Oh well...I can sit here and be ignorant.. because I am off for a few months with a broken ankle.

reply to post by riggs2099


not too light on your feet I take it?
what happened? Pick a fight with the wrong Marine? haha

sorry, you set me up for that one.

They cant take our guns away but they can stop the ammo making and then what good is a gun with out bullets ?????? Star and Flagged on my comment LMAO Kidding
Peace Love Respect

What can your soldiers do to save you if they have all been posted abroad in the next few years?

From over in the UK, where I think it is bad enough, what is happening in the US looks very troubling....the growth of a fascist, control freak state. But, even if your soldiers wanted to intervene....what if they are not there?

You're on your own by the looks of it and all the government have to do is scream 'Terrorist! Terrorist!' at anyone and they're well and truly stuffed!

Crazy happenings and crazy times!

Interesting to see how this ends....but very concerning!

U.S. Military Personnel
Active personnel: 1,447,350
Reserve personnel: 848,056
Total: 2,229,406


Overseas
Iraq: 142,000
Germany: 56,200
Japan: 33,122
South Korea: 26,339
Afghanistan: 31,100
Italy: 9,700
UK: 9,700
Total: 308,161


There are others here and there, so this isn't a perfect number, but close.

So, those overseas compared to those stateside...

308,161 / 2,229,406 = 13.8%


That means we still have 86% of the military force located stateside.

reply to post by Common Good


As a Canadian, who doesn't have the right to bear arms, who has heard some of the stats about guns and shooting deaths, I've always been right on the fence about this issue. But under the current situation, I'm a little less so. The right to bear arms is tied into the obligation to remove an unjust government the constitution, so people need to be a lot more careful how they use them against citizens is all. But its pretty sad in Canada. For a woman to use pepper spray against against a rapist, is a crime, and if she prevents a rape with it she faces usually about 6 years in prison. Whereas I just heard of a rapist who got house arrest and a bracelet for his crime for less than a year. Thats hardly justice is it.

You know what makes me laugh about all the fear being bandied about ?? The fact that you are all missing the point .
First of all , you are not , and will not be living in a fascist dictatorship anytime soon. You cant be , because your leader at this time, is against racsim and is for equality. Those basic principles are completely and utterly removed from facsim and have no place in a dictatorship, so on that note, stop whining .
Second, you complain about your right to bare arms being infringed... pathetic. If you recall the reason that you would want those arms, is to make sure your nation cannot be subverted, and so that you can take your nation back by force if it is lost to oppression . Well heres a giggle, even if every citizen had an M16 you would STILL be outgunned, and completely incapable of effecting overthrow. YOU dont have tanks, YOU dont have attack planes , YOU do not have massive ordenance delivery methods at your disposal , and you cannot get those things by force because the people protecting those assets are better trained and better armed than you .
Third , the only danger in your nation from the objective veiw point, is that if IF your frontier spirit comes back and kicks the alleged fascist (HAHAHAHAHA WHAT???) off the hot seat, it will be the resulting government which will be the oppressor , the violent, the rascist , the Neo Nazi . If you rise against NOW as opposed to say when Bush was on the top of the dog pile, then that would be the most damning indictment of your entire nation, worse than thousands of innocent people dead at the hands of an illegal war, worse than the CIA importing tone after tone of coke to mess people up with, and much worse than any of the NWO crap you hear about. You ought to understand that you have a better chance now , with the president you have, and the possibilities thereby arising, than you have ever had before, and in all likelihood if you pass this oppertunity for greatness up, you wont get it again in a long long time.
Its your choice, either help lead the world to equality and the wide ranging benifits of that, or lead just your nation into the fire of civil war, and the spread of ignorance. Enjoy that decision, depending on your choice it may be the last one you make !

Originally posted by chise61
I really hope that the ones that are signing this oath are actually going to stick to their guns. It's nice to think that the military and law enforcement would remember and honor their oath if it becomes necessary.

However i'm afraid that many of them won't if they are faced with treason charges and being court martialed for disobeying orders.

by this time, its probly gonna be all out war, or darn close. This may be the time when the US Fascist federal govt is, officially, thrown off or whatever (like the day the dec of independence is signed and all that jazz. )

reply to post by riggs2099


riggs you are highly trolling the thread, this is about the soldiers, not he right to own guns...

on topic please

I'd like to know where this sentiment was during the last administration? After all, most of what's on their list consists of concerns people had while Bush was president. I know for one I was alot more nervous about my rights then.

reply to post by TrueBrit


I couldn't agree more. I have said this many times on these boards to the wannabe Texan gunslingers who think they'll see off the Russians/Arabs/whoever with their trusty six-shooters and hunting rifles.

When the American constitution was written, war was a different game. It was played on a smaller scale, with lesser equipment that was available to the common man.

When Russian tanks are rolling down the streets of American cities, I've had said gunslingers telling me how they'll form a militia to drive them out.

Hilarious!

It won't even be the hardware that wins it, it will be cooperation, coordination and generalship. A hastily-cobbled-together militia of fat southern Americans is not going to stop a proper army.

Best you can hope for is to become a terrorist!

reply to post by The Last Man on Earth


Quite apart from anything else Last Man, I worry that the people of the US cannot see that with thier current leadership in place, they stand to lead the whole world in getting through , and improving upon the current social and economic struggles going on in all the world.
It seems that it has been many years since a sincere man has sat in the white house, and to all intents and purposes, there sits one now. This is surely preferable to Bush, whos policies were quite frankly evil on occasion, and Clinton, who had all the moral fortitude of a communal use sex toy ?
What I think might be an idea is if people were a little more grateful. They have to remember that he hasnt lied to anyone yet... WHEN he does, then treat him like a run o the mill president, but dont tar him up with that brush until he does something that NO ONE agrees with.

Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman
This is a summary of the oath that these people are taking from the Oath Keepers website. An explanation for each of these is in the full text version.

Declaration of Orders We Will NOT Obey

Recognizing that we each swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and affirming that we are guardians of the Republic, of the principles in our Declaration of Independence, and of the rights of our people, we affirm and declare the following:

1. We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people.

2. We will NOT obey orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people

3. We will NOT obey orders to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to military tribunal.

4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state.

5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.

6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.

7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.

8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control.”

9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.

10.We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

[edit on 18/3/2009 by Iamonlyhuman]

While I agree with this, I do feel that they should change some of this, sometimes some of these orders are nessacary, like in a natural disaster, a state of emergency may be needed.

reply to post by KILLER_077


I think that point is covered in that the very same declaration has also the words martial law in the same line. I would have thought that particular section is in specific regard to imposing martial law, which is a form of state of emergancy but pertains to strict curfews and lethal force being used in abundance.

reply to post by TrueBrit


I am not sure where you have been since Jan 20th but Obama has done the opposite of every promise he made with the exception of pushing for mandatory servitude. He has taken Bush's policies and made them worse in every situation. Bailouts, Globalism, Torture, Afghanistan for Iraq, etc.

He has basically taken our constitution and continued to piss all over it just as Bush did which is the a slap in the face to our men and women in uniform who pledged an oath to put their very lives on the line to defend it.

reply to post by The Last Man on Earth


I am not sure what fantasy land you live in to view Russian tanks as a more imminent threat than that our current Federal Government.

in total agreement with anonymous avatar.....our own Govt may very well be our greatest enemy...not to say that all in Govt are hellbent on seeing the overt enslavement of the American people. we are enslaved as we live today... we pay for our own prisons (homes), food, clothing and transportation. if we dont work.... we dont survive.... well back to the topic at hand.... i'm sure there will be some service men or women that might not think too much into their orders and follow them.... but i do feel that the majority of our service persons will have the clarity that they swore to protect the constitution, its ideals, and it's citizens. i am not against world government... but we all still fight too much... i dont think we are ready.... nor have we been able to create a viably sustainable way of life....i think like we had the agricultural, industrial and the infomation....we NEED a ecological revolution! we fight for resources...world wide.... we need to account for our finite resources and allocate them accordingly....and that is not to be decided by the elite ruling class... a bit of socialism goes a long way... as long as humans have the neccessities of life... there is no need to steal nor kill....scarcity, which our economics is based on, need to be addressed and reassessed class

[edit on 19-3-2009 by thefutureisuncertain]

Hi all-

I made a small donation to the guy's "project"- here's the email I got back from him: (personal info removed):

BEGIN

To the crew of Global Equity,

Thank you so much!

Your donation is going straight to our web development. The new site will be at Oathkeepers.org (but the Blogspot will always stay up). Originally it was planned to go up in a month or two but because of the support we've received it will most likely be up in two weeks.

We are also putting together a new video highlighting the 10 orders we will not obey. The first video will be used, in part, as an intro.

Also, we have a few more projects in the works, including care packages for troops with Oath keeper material inside.

Thanks again.

We are simply overwhelmed with emails, support, media inquiries and phone calls and we are absolutely amazed at how fast it's taking off.

This is the beginning of something huge and you're a part of it.

Thank you.

Stewart




END

Looks like a lot of people have caught wind of this.

Double Post- sorry

[edit on 19/3/09 by MajesticJax]

reply to post by Anonymous Avatar


Quoting A.A.'s post
I am not sure where you have been since Jan 20th but Obama has done the opposite of every promise he made with the exception of pushing for mandatory servitude. He has taken Bush's policies and made them worse in every situation. Bailouts, Globalism, Torture, Afghanistan for Iraq, etc.

He has basically taken our constitution and continued to piss all over it just as Bush did which is the a slap in the face to our men and women in uniform who pledged an oath to put their very lives on the line to defend it.
Quote ends.

Right , lets talk about bailouts shall we ? First of all , the banks of the entire world , including your nation would no longer exist if not for assitance from the taxpayer. Same with the motor industry , and everything else thats getting bailed out. If you fancy living without the goods and services provided by these companies and institutions, then you are a damned fool. I can assure you the rest of america would DIE of fear if they thought all thier labour saving devices such as motorcars, dishwashers, etc, would cease to be made in your nation, and Im sure they would also be appalled if thier savings ended up being liquidated in a total collapse of a bank.
Globalism ? Well lets face it , America has FORCED globalism on everyone else over the years by expanding its international businesses and selling its technology to every nation on the freaking planet, so theres no one to blame for that but the business empires of america, which in a democracy , the president can do little about anyway .
TORTURE??? Are you having a laugh ? Hes closing the concentration camp at Guantanamo bay, and hes doing more about the problems that are rife within the intelligence community than say , Bush or any of the other " I dont need to know , so I dont want to " presidents your nation has had to put up with.
And regards Afganistan, thats where the Al Queda that everyone is always yelling about , resides. The fact that Obama had to pull his troops out of Iraq to properly address the actual problem(terrorism) which your nation CLAIMS started the war on terror. You arent unhappy with your president, you are unhappy with your nation, and what its demands on resources mean for both its foriegn and domestic policy . All the man is doing , is what needs doing , and dont forget, he made election promises based on the economic and social situations of the time , all of which are so different to what they were , as to be unrecognisable. You need to get more politicaly savvy if you think that when things change drasticaly , a decent president wont have to make at least SOME compromises in order to affect survival .

[edit on 19-3-2009 by TrueBrit]