"Zionist Conspiracy Theory" = Black Propaganda

and this guy gets to be a moderator??!! bravo.

no, the internationaist bankers dont exist.
they dont want a one world government where they are the boss and our 'saviours'.
the rothschilds are not jewish.
the rothschilds isint the riches family on the planet,
and the rothschilds dont own something like half of all the gold in the world.
israel has nothing to do with anything.
i dont exist.
so obviously this post dosent exist.
the reader, you, dont exist.
the end.

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and OP, calling it a forgery is just assinine.
i have read the protocols.
clearly, this wasnt some sneering kid writing this document in his basement.
i have never encountered such PURE VILE EVIL in one document as the "protocols of the learned elders of zion".
such cold,calculating evil cannot be the work of one human being.

and if you dont get it, you dont get it. thats fine.
if you think the protocols are just fantasy, good luck.

Originally posted by vladmir
and OP, calling it a forgery is just assinine.
i have read the protocols.
clearly, this wasnt some sneering kid writing this document in his basement.
i have never encountered such PURE VILE EVIL in one document as the "protocols of the learned elders of zion".
such cold,calculating evil cannot be the work of one human being.

It wasn't the work of one human being. It was the work of the Okhrana, in a long-running campaign to make Jews look like anarchists, internationalists, etc. in the wake of the Tsar's assassination, to make it look like the good Christian Russians had no problems with the ruling order.

The Secret World Government or "The Hidden Hand": The Unrevealed in History
www.amazon.com...

i have this book, and have read it.

Originally posted by vladmir
The Secret World Government or "The Hidden Hand": The Unrevealed in History
www.amazon.com...

i have this book, and have read it.

Well I'm glad someone still sucks up the antisemitic rubbish spouted by the Russian aristocracy -_-

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Indeed it isn't the work of one human being. It's a fabrication by many.

There is Krushevan's version 'Minutes of the Meeting of the World Union of Freemasons and Elders of Zion'. These minutes are supposed to have been copied from the Central Chancellery of Zion in France. Krushevan admits to not knowing how they were copied, or indeed who copied them. (Znamya, issue 26 August 1903) Krushevan was the instigator of a pogrom at Kishinev in Bessarabia, in which 45 Jews died, 400 injured and 1300 Jewish houses and shops destroyed.

G.V. Butmi, a fellow Bessarabian and editor for Krushevan's version, published his own version. He claims that the protocols were carefully extracted page-by-page from a secret archive in the same Central Chancellery which it would be impossible to penetrate again. . .(Jouin: Le Peril Judeo-maconnique 1922)

On to Sergei Nilus, whose version is the most famous. In the 1905 edition he states that the protocols were removed by a correspondent of his from the secret archives of Central Chancellery of Zion in France. Although the SAME edition also carries a note stating that they were stolen by a woman from one of the most influential leaders of Freemasonry following a meeting in France. By 1917 Nilus had decided to place the Protocols at the same time and place as the first Zionist Congress in Basel, Switzerland in 1897. The problem here is that the original manuscript for the protocols was in French, but the official language for the Zionist congress was German, and there were no French Delegates. He had also stated in 1905 that the lectures had been delivered in 1902-3.
( Nilus: 'Velikoe v Malkom' 1905 and 'Bliz est, pri dverekh' 1917)

Gottfried zur Beck, editor of the first German edition, maintained that the Elders of Zion mentioned and the members of the Basel congress were one and the same.(Die Geheimnisse der Weissen von Zion 1920) Theodor Fritsch's 1921 version claims the original was seized from a Jewish house by the Russian secret police and was written in Hebrew. . . (Die zionistischen Protokolle 1920)

Believe in its authenticity if you like, people believe stranger things. Personally I'll file it under B******s.




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thanks for the post.
Ed Bernays "Propaganda" book gives me the shivers just from the getgo.
"Silent weapons for quiet wars" is another ruthless document leaked out in the open.
but nothing comes close to the protocols of zion in my mind for sheer and pure evil.

Originally posted by vladmir
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but nothing comes close to the protocols of zion in my mind for sheer and pure evil.

Oh I don't know about that. Star Wars, The Lord of the Rings, the Omen series, to name but a few other works of fiction. Mind you, at least those last three had a consistent storyline. . .

The current leader of anti-jewish sentiment is Irans President.

As is common for jew-haters he portrays tendencies toward sadism, hatred of females, hatred of freedom of speech and press and several public calls for violence against the U.S. and Israel.

Which other modern day president has homosexuals rounded up and publicly hung/murdered?

At the same time Irans President hosts Conferences on Holocaust Denial, calls for Israelis to leave their country, preaches the world to be run by a "Jew Controlled Media and Banks".

This thinking and even the terminology used is not much different from that which Adolf Hitler used.

Both are inspired by the "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" which makes it look as if Jews and Freemasons are the cause of all the worlds ills.

If Bankers and Jews are hated so much, why dont these people open their own banks or quit lending money from them?

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Ahmadinejad is not anti-Jew or "anti-Semitic." He's anti-Zionist

Typical misquoting

Originally posted by Skyfloating
It is correct that criticizing Israel does not make one an anti-semite. What a coincidence though that around 30% of these Israel critics also happen to be Holocaust-Deniers and proponents of the "Jewish Bankers Conspiracy"

Proof please.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
The current leader of anti-jewish sentiment is Irans President.

Straight-up lies and disinformation, why is it that Israelis have offered to pay cash to Iranian Jews to move to Israel yet they refuse to go anywhere?

www.guardian.co.uk...

As is common for jew-haters he portrays tendencies toward sadism, hatred of females, hatred of freedom of speech and press

Proof please. (Are you sure it isn't because of the western/Israeli propaganda machine spreading lies about his country? Even if it were true, how is this any different to Israel?)

Which other modern day president has homosexuals rounded up and publicly hung/murdered?

Many countries in Africa and other states where fundamentalist religion is dominant. Many Americans would approve and some would defend it if this was adopted in the land of the free.

At the same time Irans President hosts Conferences on Holocaust Denial

Proof please.

calls for Israelis to leave their country

Proof please. (This also strongly contradicts the evidence I posted above)

preaches the world to be run by a "Jew Controlled Media and Banks".

Replace Jew with Zionist and he wouldn't be far wrong.

This thinking and even the terminology used is not much different from that which Adolf Hitler used.

... and the Israeli government are any different? In fact, they are far worse. Without getting into Israeli government quotes lets look at the evidence for their propaganda machine:

www.guardian.co.uk...

Also of note is this which completely contradicts the official Israeli line:

www.thepeoplesvoice.org...

both are inspired by the "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" which makes it look as if Jews and Freemasons are the cause of all the worlds ills.

Sometimes there are truths in fiction, in fact the best way to spread lies is to base it it on them and then fabricate and embellish the untruth.

If Bankers and Jews are hated so much, why dont these people open their own banks or quit lending money from them?

How would you suggest one practically goes about that? I would say it's virtually impossible - please feel free to enlighten us all though.

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The reason these "Jews" do not want to leave Iran is because they are Iranians in every way. They grew up there, they know the place, their families are there. You guys do keep citing that group of people as "proof" that Irans Regime is not blatantly paranoid and antagonistic about Jews in general.

If it were true that Irans Regime is only "against Zionists" they would not keep ranting on about "The Jewish Controlled Media in the United States" and "The Great Satan America".

Ive already posted references/links to Ahmenijads Holocaust-"Revisionism" here. And its also common knowledge, actually.

As for Banks: Why is it impossible to create ones own banks and systems of banking? As far as I know, nIslamic Law has their own system of banking, in which high interest rates are not allowed.

You're probably aware of this already, but, just in case, George Stephanopoulos has an interview with President I'madinnerjacket going out on Sunday.
link

Here's Stephanopoulos' 'blog on the interview.

blog link

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You are mistaking what I term "Jewish World Conspiracy Theory" with what I term "Anti-Israeli-Sentiment". Again, I dont doubt that the U.S.A. are closely working together. I dont doubt that Israel is like an overseas American outpost. I dont doubt that Israel is deeply involved in U.S. Politics. I dont doubt that Israel is at fault for some stuff.

My attack goes toward those who promote the completely false idea of a "Jewish World Conspiracy" as laid out in the "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion". This Hoax has been created by Russian secret police and applied by fascists such as Ahmenijad and Hitler, and also by the Soviet Union and by the Muslim Brotherhood to wage a Propaganda-War against Jews in general.

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Where did I claim that the Rothschilds are not Jewish? Where did I claim they are not rich? Please show me exactly where I said that.

Why are you misrepresenting what I am saying?

Do you often misrepresent the truth?

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Whether or not they want to leave doesn't change the fact that Israel made the offer.

The "Jewish-controlled media" is a direct result of Jews giving preference to other Jews, which is a component of the Zionist movement.

Whether someone wants to deny the Holocaust is his own prerogative. There is no study showing that Holocaust denial affects one's cognitive or decision-making skills.

The Knights Templar created a system of banking, and people called them crooks as well. So what?

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
The "Jewish-controlled media" is a direct result of Jews giving preference to other Jews, which is a component of the Zionist movement.

If the media were "Jewish-Controlled" certain posts on this Forum, which is read by Millions would not exist.

"Media" is not controlled by any one religion or race.

If jews would just consider themselves just another caucasoid like they are instead of having a strain of religious mind virus that says they're the chosen ones then this wouldn't be a problem.

Then again... if they hadn't islam may have spread over Europe (that's a big maybe tho) and we wouldn't have the tech to have this conversation... >_<

I dunno... as long as Israel stays secular and goes forward with plans to include the palastinians into their society I'm cool with that. Israel must remain the secular influence in the ME.

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Calling a web forum part of "the media" is a cop-out, because nobody controls the Web. I meant traditional mass media

"The media" is overwhelmingly controlled by people born into Jewish families

And Judaism is not a race kthx

Originally posted by vladmir
and OP, calling it a forgery is just assinine.
i have read the protocols.
clearly, this wasnt some sneering kid writing this document in his basement.
i have never encountered such PURE VILE EVIL in one document as the "protocols of the learned elders of zion".
such cold,calculating evil cannot be the work of one human being.

and if you dont get it, you dont get it. thats fine.
if you think the protocols are just fantasy, good luck.

I agree with you vladmir. When reading this document, I see the same thing you do: True evil. I just wanted to chime in and support your excellent reply above.

Now in life there will always be those who see themselves as "defenders of truth" but in many cases, these people are themselves, just tools. To be a "Tool", one needs to have a handle (masonic or religious or any group has the purpose of installing a 'handle' onto a human so they can be grasped and used) So once you've got a handle sticking out your ass, then you are a "Tool". The first thing to becoming free, is to remove any handles which were installed prior to one's own awakening. Most of us have been crafted to be tools of some religion or belief of our fathers and mothers.

Now in my experience (having been raised as a tool of such powers and having removed my own handle) I have come to the conclusion that one of the key ways to detect conspiracy is to observe the heat which comes when you push certain buttons. I don't think there is a button more hurtful to the people in power, than The Protocols.

What I mean is that, it's like swollen, ouchie-sore inflamed-bellybutton of the whole world's power elite. If you mention the Protocols, they'll descend onto you and peck you until you admit that it was plagiarized from other source.

Even here in this thread, you've got "experts" comparing The Protocols to "Star Wars" ...I am sure I do not need to explain to you how absurd such people sound. But in their own heads, it is an acceptable argument via Reduction to the Absurd. They want you to believe that they believe it to be as silly as "Yoda". Ha ha, Yod-a. Anyway...

These same people know (as you do) that the Protocols contain clues as to what is happening today. In fact, if these people had real integrity, they'd shine more light on the Russian Jews (who were the tip of the revolutionary spear which brought forth Joe Steel via Wall Street dollars) and also it is very interesting to examine the Czar (Russian King) and who it was that hated him, and why.


Said another way: Let's say I wanted to convince people that Dobermans are not a legitimate breed of dog. I would be a Tool, if all I did was spend my time disproving anyone who claims to have a Doberman with legitimate papers. I would never discuss the parts of the breed which make up "The Dog" which clearly does exist because in such a mindset as theirs, I'd lose the momentum if I get drawn into concrete realities like bite patterns and ear shapes and so on. My only focus would be to de-legitimize and attack any person who claims that Dobermans exist and were created by breeders.

That is to say, the dog itself could be all around them, but it is the argument about 'legitimacy' which feeble minds will hold to, and this allows them to believe what they want about the Protocols. But what is telling, is that they will never discuss the effects or the uniqueness of the book. It is as if they will never discuss dog parts, snouts, tails, stance, etc. They will ignore all evidence of Doberman bites, etc.

Their only argument is if it is a legitimate breed. They will stray from any discussion along the lines: "Legitimate or not, can it rip your throat out?"

They know it can.