Don't let them tell you that "The Theory of Evolution" is a fact.

Originally posted by B.A.C.

Originally posted by Henry Fnord

Originally posted by B.A.C.

Originally posted by Henry Fnord
You're the one who claimed there is a conspiracy - in the OP.

I admit I'm new around here, is there something from before that I missed or something like that because you're not making any sense.

Read through the thread. I'm not gonna do your homework for you.

Bullhonky, you just have nothing to stand on. Make your point in a couple of simple sentences or admit you're jerking us all around.

[edit on 7-3-2009 by Henry Fnord]

OK.

Evolution isn't a theory.
Evolution is a fact.
The Theory of Evolution explains the verifiable observation or fact that is Evolution.
The Theory and the Fact are not interchangeble.

Evolution is NOT a Theory AND a Fact.

Anyone who says different has been brainwashed by science.

That some my views up for you? Nothing to do with Evolution or Creationism.

OK. I still don't understand how accepting the theory of evolution - since a scientific theory is really just a context, a framework or a matrix - as a fact is being brainwashed by science. I certainly don't understand 16 freakin' pages of arguing with people over it.

But, hey, I'm just a phone guy who reads.



[edit on 7-3-2009 by Henry Fnord]

Originally posted by Henry Fnord

Originally posted by B.A.C.

Originally posted by Henry Fnord

Originally posted by B.A.C.

Originally posted by Henry Fnord
You're the one who claimed there is a conspiracy - in the OP.

I admit I'm new around here, is there something from before that I missed or something like that because you're not making any sense.

Read through the thread. I'm not gonna do your homework for you.

Bullhonky, you just have nothing to stand on. Make your point in a couple of simple sentences or admit you're jerking us all around.

[edit on 7-3-2009 by Henry Fnord]

OK.

Evolution isn't a theory.
Evolution is a fact.
The Theory of Evolution explains the verifiable observation or fact that is Evolution.
The Theory and the Fact are not interchangeble.

Evolution is NOT a Theory AND a Fact.

Anyone who says different has been brainwashed by science.

That some my views up for you? Nothing to do with Evolution or Creationism.

OK. I still don't understand how accepting the theory of evolution - since a scientific theory is really just a context, a framework or a matrix - as a fact is being brainwashed by science. I certainly don't understand 16 freakin' pages of arguing with people over it.

But, hey, I'm just a phone guy who reads.



[edit on 7-3-2009 by Henry Fnord]

This is why I argue about it:

Quote from my OP:

Originally posted by B.A.C.
This one little statement "The Theory of Evolution is a fact" will STOP someone from believing anything else. I'm not talking just belief in God, I'm talking about belief in other scientists as well. It isn't true. I can and have proved it. That's why it's VERY important to be perfectly clear.

Hope this helps.

Originally posted by B.A.C.
That again is your opinion.

I say there is only ONE context that Evolution can be used in. So do the Scientific Dictionary's.

evolution.berkeley.edu...
The definition
Biological evolution, simply put, is descent with modification.

And it is. If we go to the mechanism page we have:

Evolution is the process by which modern organisms have descended from ancient ancestors.

evolution.berkeley.edu...

So this also applies to mechanism. Which is the theory.

So we have descent with modification (facts; like apes and humans evolved from a common ancestor) as evolution, and evolution as the process (theory; natural selection, mutation, genetic drift, etc etc.) underpinning descent with modification.

Wow. One set of pages with two different usages of one word, lol.

Apparently reality doesn't dig your opinion.

[edit on 7-3-2009 by melatonin]

Originally posted by B.A.C.
That again is your opinion.

no its the opinion of science after all so ill take thier word for it

I say there is only ONE context that Evolution can be used in. So do the Scientific Dictionary's.

thts not a cientific dictionary thats part of an explainer website and using the owrd in only 1 of its contexts

ill take your not a dictionary refference and raise you a

In reference to modern understanding of biological evolution, casual use of the word "evolution" can refer to any of a variety of patterns and processes, including: .....

Theory of evolution
"Evolution" can refer to the integration of all of the above patterns and processes into a coherent explanatory framework. In this sense, "evolution" is very much a work in progress, one whose prevailing concepts and emphases are modified and enriched with each passing decade.

www.science.siu.edu...

and so sayeth the ISUC

Evolution

Often it is shorthand for the modern theory of evolution of species based upon Darwin's idea of natural selection.

www.wacklepedia.com...

However, "evolution" commonly is used more narrowly to refer to the specific theory that all organisms have descended from common ancestors, also known as the "theory of descent with modification," or to refer to one explanation for the process by which change occurs, the "theory of modification through natural selection." The term also is used with reference to a comprehensive theory that includes both the non-causal pattern of descent with modification and the causal mechanism of natural selection.

www.newworldencyclopedia.org...

Defining Evolution

2. Evolution: Common, ordinary genetic variation. For Evolutionists, genetic variation is the "Fact of Evolution." Do Creationists recognize genetic variation? Yes!

3. Evolution: All variations of life have common ancestry. (This is really the Theory of Evolution or Evolutionism.)

www.tagnet.org...


you see a source that doesnt use both doent help you like it fdoesnt help us, a source that uses both help u..what you ne is a ource that states it cannot and houldnt be used in both context

and yes that last links from a bunch of creationists, so we have a cinece base university, dictionary encyclopedia and some creationists stating that the word can be use several different ways

Originally posted by noobfun

Originally posted by B.A.C.
That again is your opinion.

no its the opinion of science after all so ill take thier word for it

I say there is only ONE context that Evolution can be used in. So do the Scientific Dictionary's.

thts not a cientific dictionary thats part of an explainer website and using the owrd in only 1 of its contexts

ill take your not a dictionary refference and raise you a

In reference to modern understanding of biological evolution, casual use of the word "evolution" can refer to any of a variety of patterns and processes, including: .....

Theory of evolution
"Evolution" can refer to the integration of all of the above patterns and processes into a coherent explanatory framework. In this sense, "evolution" is very much a work in progress, one whose prevailing concepts and emphases are modified and enriched with each passing decade.

www.science.siu.edu...

and so sayeth the ISUC

Evolution

Often it is shorthand for the modern theory of evolution of species based upon Darwin's idea of natural selection.

www.wacklepedia.com...

However, "evolution" commonly is used more narrowly to refer to the specific theory that all organisms have descended from common ancestors, also known as the "theory of descent with modification," or to refer to one explanation for the process by which change occurs, the "theory of modification through natural selection." The term also is used with reference to a comprehensive theory that includes both the non-causal pattern of descent with modification and the causal mechanism of natural selection.

www.newworldencyclopedia.org...

Defining Evolution

2. Evolution: Common, ordinary genetic variation. For Evolutionists, genetic variation is the "Fact of Evolution." Do Creationists recognize genetic variation? Yes!

3. Evolution: All variations of life have common ancestry. (This is really the Theory of Evolution or Evolutionism.)

www.tagnet.org...


you see a source that doesnt use both doent help you like it fdoesnt help us, a source that uses both help u..what you ne is a ource that states it cannot and houldnt be used in both context

and yes that last links from a bunch of creationists, so we have a cinece base university, dictionary encyclopedia and some creationists stating that the word can be use several different ways

You are welcome to take Science's word for ALL they say, SOME of what they say. and NONE of what they say.

Again, that's your opinion.

I don't take peoples word for anything. I'll do my own thinking, thanks.

The quotes you provided above are PROOF of the conspiracy I speak of, in my opinion.

Again, I value your opinions on this subject. This is good discussion.

Thanks again.

reply to post by noobfun


Apparently the conspiracy now just involves people who disagree with his opinion.

lol

Getting better and more absurd by the post.

ABE: Time for a new summary, as we have moved somewhat...

So, in sum, the conspiracy is that scientists and evolutionists are attempting to claim 'the theory of evolution is a fact'. Their devious plans are achieved by making clear distinctions between evolution as fact and evolution as theory.

This is a problem because BAC and some creationists (see noob's post, some creationists find this language thing a breeze) can't handle the complexity of language and have decided that in their opinion evolution can only be used in one context. This is because they say so, even though in reality both contexts are readily used in science and efforts are made to make the distinction clear (see earlier).

The conspiracy is to make people accept the mechanisms of evolution as fact, even though getting people to accept the facts is difficult enough (Creobot: I ain't no munkey's uncle!), lol.

OK, carry on...

[edit on 7-3-2009 by melatonin]

reply to post by melatonin


Yes it is getting more absurd by the post. You guys are hilarious.

ANY theory of a conspiracy is JUST someones opinion.

I'm gonna get some popcorn.


[edit on 7-3-2009 by B.A.C.]

Originally posted by melatonin
reply to post by noobfun

 

Apparently the conspiracy now just involves people who disagree with his opinion.

lol

Getting better and more absurd by the post.

the really funny thing is the creationsist are in on it now too

that last link was a creationist website

is it a conspiracy or paranoid delusion when everyone in the world is against you?

Originally posted by noobfun

Originally posted by melatonin
reply to post by noobfun

 

Apparently the conspiracy now just involves people who disagree with his opinion.

lol

Getting better and more absurd by the post.

the really funny thing is the creationsist are in on it now too

that last link was a creationist website

is it a conspiracy or paranoid delusion when everyone in the world is against you?

You decide. I have to have a theory about a conspiracy to post this here. I have one. You decide if you agree with it or not. I can't do that for you.

If you don't agree - That's great.
If you do agree - That's great too.



[edit on 7-3-2009 by B.A.C.]

reply to post by B.A.C.


so to sum it all up, the facts now reveal them selves as the true message of the op was as follows

theres a conspiracy by the ENTIRE world(that was uccessful about 20 years ago) to correctly use the word evolution to mean both the fact and the theory indepenanty of each other in seperate contexts an at seperate times... and i dont like it so heres my thread ...

guess what i preffered the word gay to mean happy not homosexual but im not about to start a 15 page thread an start calling people ignorant, dense or troll becasue they dont agree

[edit on 7/3/09 by noobfun]

Originally posted by noobfun
the really funny thing is the creationsist are in on it now too

that last link was a creationist website

is it a conspiracy or paranoid delusion when everyone in the world is against you?

I've posted a summary for those coming late, 16 pages of this would be too much for an ordinary brain to handle in one sitting. I just updated it with the groundbreaking revelation that some creationists are able to handle the complexity of language.

As for a diagnosis, I'm thinking more along wicked webs and all that jazz. But it would be a surprise to many to find that scientists produce their own lingo and couldn't give a hoot about non-scientist opinions in that regard. just like when I hear the kids calling stuff 'sick', 'wicked' and 'gay', I have no issue with the complexity some might find overwhelming.

If he happens to get out there and do enough science to turn heads, perhaps a few scientists might take note of his linguistic difficulties.

[edit on 7-3-2009 by melatonin]

Originally posted by noobfun
reply to post by B.A.C.

 

so to sum it all up, the facts now reveal them selves as the true message of the op was as follows

theres a conspiracy by the ENTIRE world(that was uccessful about 20 years ago) to correctly use the word evolution to mean both the fact and the theory indepenanty of each other in seperate contexts an at seperate times... and i dont like it so heres my thread ...

guess what i preffered the word gay to mean happy not homosexual but im not about to start a 15 page thread an start calling people ignorant, dense or troll becasue they dont agree

[edit on 7/3/09 by noobfun]

Read my OP. That's what I said. Nothing more. Nothing Less. You are being vindictive and making it about someone's belief.

Quit trying to derail this thread, again, follow the rules, or move along.

Quote from Terms & Conditions you agreed to when you joined this forum:

You will not be engaged in an organized collaboration with other members to disrupt thread topics or interrupt the flow of normal collaborative discussion.

This is what yourself and melatonin are doing. Plain and simple. I won't let it keep going on. Plain and simple.

BTW - This thread is a HOT TOPIC, front page thread. The Mods are watching.



[edit on 7-3-2009 by B.A.C.]

Originally posted by B.A.C.

Read my OP. That's what I said. Nothing more. Nothing Less. You are being vindictive and making it about someone's belief.

no you said people are stating

the theory of evolution is a fact, they arnt theya re differenciating

Quit trying to derail this thread, again, follow the rules, or move along.

well im still on topic an none of my pot go firing off on tangents they all deal with the thread an it twist and turns

really if you think were off topic disecting your responses then fell free to ask a mod to come check it out

Quote from Terms & Conditions you agreed to when you joined this forum:

You will not be engaged in an organized collaboration with other members to disrupt thread topics or interrupt the flow of normal collaborative discussion.

so becasue we agree even though we arrive at ifferent times to the threa we are collabartaing to derail the thread by staying on thread .... fell free to go fetch the mods and have them check were till within guiline an ontopic

This is what yourself and melatonin are doing. Plain and simple. I won't let it keep going on. Plain and simple.

then ask a mod to check over the thread

we are both making the same point an agreeing becasue well ... all the evidence matches what we are stating nothing more nothing less were not u2u'ing each other links and ways to help each other set you up .. they can check that too

simply what you state in your op was wrong all the evidence goes against it, you have repeately insulted people calling them trolls, dense and ignorant, repeately accused them of making claims you your self have fabricated becasue they wont agree with your inability to grasp semantics of language

the facts stand

evolution is a fact
evolution is a thoery

thoery of evoltion is not a fact

an in case you missed it above feel free to fetch a mod an ask them to check over the thread



[edit on 7/3/09 by noobfun]

reply to post by B.A.C.


you are an idiot, as it has been told previously evolution is not a law but a theory as it dictates a number of facts not one single definable rule. Dinosaurs are 65 million years and more old. did the creator make the dinosaurs in his image then destroyed them when he couldnt get the nose right?. get real.

Creationists just can decide on a begining thats why they run to the big man in the sky routine

Wee Mad Mental.

reply to post by noobfun


Evolution isn't a theory - Science backs me up on this. The scientists that say it is are liars. Show me any other scientific fact that is ALSO considered a theory.

Is gravity a theory? Careful how you respond to this.
Is Electricity a theory? Again, careful with these.



[edit on 7-3-2009 by B.A.C.]

Originally posted by weemadmental
reply to post by B.A.C.

 

you are an idiot, as it has been told previously evolution is not a law but a theory as it dictates a number of facts not one single definable rule. Dinosaurs are 65 million years and more old. did the creator make the dinosaurs in his image then destroyed them when he couldnt get the nose right?. get real.

Creationists just can decide on a begining thats why they run to the big man in the sky routine

Wee Mad Mental.

I know what Evolution is. Do you?

I have no idea why you are talking abut Creationism though. There are many threads to discuss that. This one isn't where we are discussing Creationism. Even though lots of people want to turn it into that.

Originally posted by B.A.C.
reply to post by noobfun

 

Evolution isn't a theory - Science backs me up on this. The scientists that say it is are liars. Show me any other scientific fact that is ALSO considered a theory.

Is gravity a theory? Careful how you respond to this.

i dont need to be careful

i dont need to find others, were not changing this into a game of soccer the goalposts are fine where they are

we are dealing with evolution which is both fact an theory indepenantly of eah other as every last scienctist and every poster in this thread has taken great lengths to differenciate the two

context of language is it really that difficult?

and p.s. did you remember to alert the mods to the evil bad men picking on you using facts?

science backs you up on nothing.. even the english language is part of this grand conspiracy ... like i said earlier if its the entire world agianst you i it conspiracy or paranoia?

[edit on 7/3/09 by noobfun]

[edit on 7/3/09 by noobfun]

reply to post by noobfun


Read my BTW at the bottom: www.abovetopsecret.com...

I don't need to alert mods.

Originally posted by noobfun

Originally posted by B.A.C.
reply to post by noobfun

 

Evolution isn't a theory - Science backs me up on this. The scientists that say it is are liars. Show me any other scientific fact that is ALSO considered a theory.

Is gravity a theory? Careful how you respond to this.

i dont need to be careful

i dont need to find others, were not changing this into a game of soccer the goalposts are fine where they are

we are dealing with evolution which is both fact an theory indepenantly of eah other as every last scienctist and every poster in this thread has taken great lengths to differenciate the two

context of language is it really that difficult?

and p.s. did you remember to alert the mods to the evil bad men picking on you using facts?

science backs you up on nothing.. even the english language is part of this grand conspiracy ... like i said earlier if its the entire world agianst you i it conspiracy or paranoia?

[edit on 7/3/09 by noobfun]

[edit on 7/3/09 by noobfun]

This is the ONLY example in science of words being used this way.

Of course I question it!!!

deny ignorance

Originally posted by B.A.C.
reply to post by noobfun

 

Read my BTW at the bottom: www.abovetopsecret.com...

I don't need to alert mods.

yeah but i havnt been awarded any ignorance uccesfully an firmly denied points for about a week so with the nice links clarrifying my position as accurate i might get a some

the points ont matter but its nice to be appreciated