A Conspiracy Against ATS?

Originally posted by neformore

Originally posted by jfj123

Not to sound overly paranoid because usually I'm the serious skeptic but I am wondering if part of these attacks could be by scientologists ??

Its an interesting concept jfj - scientology sure doesn't like to be dissed in any way, shape or form.

I'll have a think on that one a bit more and come back to you.

It's a bit far fetched admittedly but you never know about those
Xenu lovers
Just thought I'd take my skeptic hat off for a moment and get my conspiracy on

I don't want to turn this into a scientology thread but here are a few videos that give you an idea of their mentality







What are you afraid of ?
what are your crimes ?

[edit on 2-3-2009 by jfj123]

Originally posted by pieman
why link them together and call them a conspiracy? if there is evidence then share it.

Well I did provide direct correlation between RNC activity and the disruption during the political season.

Have a look at this Pentagon's PSYOPs: Information Warfare Using Aggressive Psychological Operations

"SOCOM's ongoing PSYOP Advanced Concept Technology Demonstration and modernization efforts should permit the timely, long-range dissemination of products with various PSYOP delivery systems. This includes satellite, radio and television, cellular phones and other wireless devices, the Internet and upgrades to traditional delivery systems such as leaflets and loudspeakers that are highly responsive to maneuver commanders."

The "product" being placed in the MSM at the moment appears to be that people who are open minded and think differently are crazies, but on a site like ATS, we can see through that. So the next best way to get people off the site is to discredit it - preferably from within.

Now don't get me wrong - I don't have any idea as to whether thats the case or not, but its possible as a means to explain it.

The "evidence" is only observable at the time it happens, and unless the idea that it might be organised is kept in mind, its very easy to let it pass. I sit in a slightly different position because I see it from a different perspective, and I know that some of my fellow mods don't see it the way I do, but its a valid talking point nonetheless, and thats why I raised it.

There is NO freedom of speech here and the right to disagree. PERIOD




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[edit on 2-3-2009 by DontTreadOnMe]

what's this unique perspective you guys keep mentioning?

this is a really telling coment i believe.

unless the idea that it might be organised is kept in mind, its very easy to let it pass

essentially, you're saying you'll only see it if you're looking for it, generally, doesn't this mean you're seeing stuff that isn't there. it's a basic paranoia test, "am i seeing it because i'm looking really hard or because it's there?". it's like the reptilian eyes on youtube thing.

genuinely, i advise that you either take a close look at it and find actual evidence that's there or take a couple days off. personally i think you're seeing shadows in the forest and calling them monsters.

do you guys really think it's a good frame of mind to be in when you're running one of the top CT sites at a world changing time?

[edit on 2/3/09 by pieman]

Just read the Op and have to say, wow, you kept me from first word to last, I support your conspiracy theory 1000% and have often wished I had the eloquence to say it like you have. You seem to have said what I could only sense.

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
Actually, we do allow bigots and racists and other misguided souls to post on ATS as much as they please. There are countless threads that demonstrate our ability to fully support free expression in some very unsavory areas.

I actually must agree with this.
I have run into countless bigots on this site and have often been disgusted at the opinions of some of them.

I have had numerous arguments and debates with people on matters such as racism, sexism and homophobia and been quite shocked at just how much is "allowed" on this site.
Therefore SO is quite right when he states that there has been some pretty crazy and bigoted threads on here.

This, IMO, makes the decision to censor the topic of drugs even more strange?
If these racists can spout whatever they like.... why can't folks (I'm not one by the way) who want to discuss drugs in a civilized and mature manner.. do so?

I know it's all to do with "stoner stories" and whatever...but as others have said.... those are very rare indeed, and you guys must get more trouble from the race/religion/sex threads than you do with drugs right?

I totally understand that it's your site, so you can do whatever you like.. but i just find this issue (the whole drugs argument) to be "out of place" in the way ATS usually deals with these things..

I am reading bckwards in this thread now but I have to say before I burst that what has me upset from time to time are the ones that come in and make the really sicko highly disturbed threads like Mom cooks dog in microwave. I am NOT here for psycological dysfuntional stories, unless it is a conspiracy, but Mom cooks dog is simply maddness. Cut and dry, sick. It turns our site in my opinion to a third class rag. I see these horrible threads hit the forum and move in groups... And very few people I am here to read and discuss issues with ever join those types of threads...

you created your own enemy,you crushed them and you look like the good guys who arnt bad at all.

thats what happened,the strawman trick,beign used across the world right now.

advanced psychological manipulation is the hallmark of ai's.

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Nefermore:

I think you are right, but I think the conspiracy against ATS is part of a greater conspiracy to collapse the free press of America. I started a new thread on this subject today:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by neformore

The "product" being placed in the MSM at the moment appears to be that people who are open minded and think differently are crazies, but on a site like ATS, we can see through that. So the next best way to get people off the site is to discredit it - preferably from within.

Now don't get me wrong - I don't have any idea as to whether thats the case or not, but its possible as a means to explain it.

It is possible, anything is possible. But WHY would they want to destroy ATS using those means? Talking about personal illicit substance use isnt crazy. Our last three Presidents have admitted using illicit substances. It is unnecessary, and I do understand why discussing personal illicit substance use is against the T&C, but it is hardly so far from the average persons personal experience that anyone would call it "crazy." Foolish and self destructive, yes.

If I were a government operative, I would not be trying to tear ATS apart. Far from it. I would be trying to make it as attractive as possible to the widest group of crazies and dissidents that I could. Why? Because people disclose things on the internet that they would not say in person. Such as all the "call to revolution" threads. If I were an agent, I would look at ATS as a nice little place to come and put my finger on the pulse of the counterculture, and a great place to pick up names for my list of people to watch.

If I were going to try to discredit conspiracy theorists as "nuts" I would just come here, post ridiculous claims, let people flock to my thread, and discredit themselves by falling for it. If any thing discredits us, it is the fall from well thought out conspiracy that had even the tiniest possibility of being true to " A REPTILIAN OVERLORD TRIED TO EAT ME.." in all caps on the recent posts tab. (Not a real thread, I hope, but an example of the tone of some in the last several months)

If I see any conspiracy to discredit ATS or alternative thinkers as a whole, it would be from people coming here, posting conspiracies so out of touch with reality that it makes us all look a little nuts just for being here. Then even the well thought out conspiracy posts are discredited by association.

Originally posted by nikiano
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Nefermore:

I think you are right, but I think the conspiracy against ATS is part of a greater conspiracy to collapse the free press of America. I started a new thread on this subject today:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

you may want to look into the ownership of godlikeproductions,they were owned by tavistock up untill a few months ago.......a bad mofo of a company as you can get,who are directly linked to brainwashing programs and such.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

who owns ats i wonder.......its not christian bailiey,its not the cia......its.....hehe

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Oh okay who's going to be against ATS? This entire website is illegal. Why it still remains active is just another coverup. This sounds like another ATS promotion. I mean come on how many people own the ATS thread book? Where does the money go? And besides its a book generated by a forum that is not much but speculative creative circles from around the world. Thanks to the computers. So who buys into this stuff? Alien gray crop circles. It's obvious ATS needs more advertising dollars to rev up more server space. That's why this conspiracy was created and created with no solid evidence to back up these claims as proof. It's obvious that the turn of events spills over from many different directions bringing down bandwidth and erupting servers on the low end. Server maintenance or server failure? Which came first the chicken or the egg? How about ATS media imprisonment? No? Now all our avatars, photos, video, and whatever other media must be the property of the mainframe which means no rival competition to share from. That's what they call a monopoly in the real world. With that kind of cryptology that only leaves us with the reptilians. You go tell your NASA buddies or your Vatican counselors what happened. I'm sure they'll believe you. You go do that and tell them about the emoticons that you've seen for years now. Go ahead. SEE WHAT HAPPENS!!!!

You know, there are times when I really dislike the "no one line post" rule. Sometimes, a one line post simply speaks more in its austere simplicity than a paragraph ever could. Now is one of those times.

Originally posted by WISHADOW
You go do that and tell them about the emoticons that you've seen for years now. Go ahead. SEE WHAT HAPPENS!!!!

Emoticons? What does this have to do with emoticons? Lol.

Originally posted by WISHADOW
This entire website is illegal.

It is?

Please...expand on your claim here. I am all ears. I've seen and read many claims about ATS, but this one is actually a new one for me, so do tell.

(and then explain why you are posting here, if its illegal, please?)

Originally posted by pieman
what's this unique perspective you guys keep mentioning?

Looking at it from both sides of the curtain, as a member and as a mod.

genuinely, i advise that you either take a close look at it and find actual evidence that's there or take a couple days off. personally i think you're seeing shadows in the forest and calling them monsters.

So the RNC thing wasn't good enough for you to understand that outside agitators do target the forum?

I find the assertions that I don't know what I'm talking about or that I'm delusional mildly amusing - I wouldn't have started the topic if I hadn't looked into it Pieman,

But then you top it all by saying this...

do you guys really think it's a good frame of mind to be in when you're running one of the top CT sites at a world changing time?

I think its absolutely the best frame of mind to highlight the fact that we're a target for deliberate disruption because were running one of the top CT sites at a world changing time.

If the government had a secret agenda against ATS, the site would disappear, and a place-holder would show up whenever someone typed in the URL or clicked on their bookmark for ATS. It would be far cheaper and less resource-intensive to pull the plug, than to have personnel posting disinformation.

I'm sorry but this post has still been diverted away from its original intent AGAIN and the OP has failed to hear the other side of argument AGAIN!

You have NO proof of this happening except the RNC thing which has been noted as possibly having to do with the public opinions DURRING the election. What is the real deal and why is it that you still, Nef, have not answered any of the questions that the opposition has stated, and asked you repetidly to answer?

It seems to me like you have been steering this thread to propagate your (and possibly others) agendas.

I ask you again to go back to the previous posts making claims about your Swiss cheese theory and address them.

Originally posted by eyeforalie
Well now!!

Look what we have here!

Isn't this a perfect example of how groups of people with like viewpoints, and strong supporting arguments can get to a point, when a subject gets near disclosure, it is flamed by its adversaries to the point that comments must be labeled off topic. I did not see the comments but at this point i can only imagine...

There are some questions that need to be answered here...

The topic of discussion, to the best of my interpretation, is:

a) The possibility of covert organizations infiltrating ATS to either gather information or derail and hopefully ban topics when lose to disclosure.

b) The relation to the above resulting in the censorship of ALL of ATS's members topical choices by its governing body due to the comments and actions of the few.

Am I missing something here?

There is no positive proof for "A", although it is a known possibility to all frequenting members, and has not yet been denied by anyone.

Topic "B" on the other hand has substantial backing and has actually caused the scenario that topic "A" has referred to.

Hmmmmm....

[edit on 2-3-2009 by eyeforalie]

Originally posted by neformore

Originally posted by WISHADOW
This entire website is illegal.

It is?

Please...expand on your claim here. I am all ears. I've seen and read many claims about ATS, but this one is actually a new one for me, so do tell.

(and then explain why you are posting here, if its illegal, please?)

you took the first line from the post and made it YOUR point. What about all the other content?

Its selective reasoning and debate molding from the start.

I do see that you are offline now nef, but i will not let you ignore me again with YOUR broken record technique.

This all comes down to ONE thing. There is a group of members that do not agree with you on your practices of presenting a topic with a hidden, but openly attached agenda. Will we be labeled as dis-info as well? Banned form the site? You almost might as well make an example of me because I know for myself that i have lost alot of credibility for this site and the governing body it has in place (and so has the silent majority which has been punished) . Will you hear us out and answer our questions and concerns or will you do as "they" want you to?

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I'm still now sure if it's individuals with their own agenda who accidentally group together due to interest or if there's an actual organized movement. Regardless, I've observed what you're talking about on at least some level. Heck I've seen it in THIS thread !!!

I totally believe there is a conspiracy to disrupt ATS, I'm just not sure of the scope.

Once again, I think this is a very important thread because it doesn't affect just a couple guys running a website, it affects everyone who enjoys posting here and frankly I think we're taking it for granted and downplaying all the hard work the owners and mods do to keep this site running.

On this thread alone, I've seen attack after attack on the owners and mods and they let it slide off like water off a ducks back and frankly they should be applauded for their professionalism in the face of ignorance. When I say ignorance, I'm referring to our lack of knowledge with regards to what it takes to run a site like this so I'm not using the term as slander to anyone.

Originally posted by jfj123
On this thread alone, I've seen attack after attack on the owners and mods and they let it slide off like water off a ducks back and frankly they should be applauded for their professionalism in the face of ignorance. When I say ignorance, I'm referring to our lack of knowledge with regards to what it takes to run a site like this so I'm not using the term as slander to anyone.

Attack after attack?? Its all been relevent and on topic. These so called attacks have been blatantly ignored. That deserves an applause? Does the Bush Asmin. deserve an applause? The OP presented TWO points which i have reposted above. There is direct corrolation between threads being flamed and the censorship of topics.

Yes members group together based on viewpoints and argue subjects! It has been seen and noted on this very thread. The difference is that its concerned members presenting this viewpoint. Its not a covert operation run by the CIA.

The OP has presented...mmmm...maybe ONE tid-bit of backing to his statement, has been agreed with and takes a professional stance by calling in the big guns to tell his oppistition to go post somewhere else?