Those who are Awake have no obligations to those who are asleep.

This man speaks with half truths and clever wit. His speech is hypnotic. What he says there is a lot I can agree with, but I don't think some people are seeing what he is really saying. He is in support of those that would dominate the sleeping masses, that would use them as pawns in their game of control, they would sacrifice the innocent ignorant masses to death for their agenda's and this man justifies this because "people allow it". He is a true coward in every sense of the word.

This guy might not even know it, but he has something dark inside his soul.

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As a rule, I'm 99% pure humanitarian.

I tired saving someone once - they became co-dependant.

I was only able to shake them when someone else stepped forward and "saved" them from another stupid scenario they put themselves into.

I'm not the best enabler I guess. I promise not to play messiah anymore.

*two cents and I'm out*

All shall walk their own path. All must be respected in this manner.Do not force belief or change on to one who is not yet prepared or willing to accept. This is not honoring yourself or those who you wish to awaken. In actuality, there is no real slumber to awaken from. Conciousness will be as it always has been and always will be.

The path of enlightenment will not be achieved through force. Leave your hands and hearts open to those will seek them. Love all as you wish to be loved. Breathe easily and be at peace with the path you have chosen, and remain in the tide of change as it comes to you to flow freely.

Not all will understand their path in this life. This is the way of things.

Be at ease, you will all be fine.

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pretentious pricks word bantering without concern. none of you have any experience in life, i can see it in your words. professors teach you, you mindlesly agree because ..he's your teacher. what does the teacher really know? what he was taught and his teachings are invariably biased upon that which he believes. Without a factual base to draw a circumstance of change or allowance from, no one can make a purely beneficial decision for everyone. find your base. the base of ALL life and you will find the answer to the action you should take. IF you cannot relate your existence to an ant and see you signifigance is a great as that small bug's, then you have NOT found the base of life.

the viewpoint of the person who started the thread would be considered of the luciferian point of view.... quite frankly it isn't very awake.

the logos is the true awakening, the mythical figure christ is the foretelling of the great awakening,
though jesus never existed ,the initiates chose to create the character to save the world,

by understanding and following the way of christ truly paves the way for the next age of

enlightenment.

religious dogma aside the new rulers ( not nwo) will follow the logos, it is already happening and has nothing to do with christianity or fulfilling prophecy.

nwo is old hat, an old way that is tired and desperate, doing nothing is the key, when we fight.... we allow them to divide,

we can truly awaken or face the dire consequences.

Mr. Yale believes he is on the right side, silly human .... there is no side

bifurcation occurs when consciousness polarizes,

this is the game from a higher perception. eating steak when the entire species he is eating is in terror,??? kept in closed quarters .... sorry this guy is really lost

whatever happened to the meek shall inhertit... but seriously, if you dont take care of yourself first are you able to take care of others? from what ive gathered most people wont turn their backs on a fellow man. for the most part. i dont think the op is going into the realm of ethics with his statement/ question. i do think it may be some type of loaded question, possibly justifying not yelling the sky is falling at the top of his lungs. and im guilty of that too. do you want to be looked at by your neighbors and co-workers as "that conspiracy freak"? i really dont think any of us do. its not as deep of a topic as most of you are making it out to be. or i guess i could be wrong. if you fell guilty about not waking anyone, you probably should try harder. if it dont bother you internally from the way youre handling "awakening" others, keep at it the way you are. we all cant be teachers. some people have it some dont. if you were given that gift USE IT! do you think math teachers look at gym teachers and feel any of the feelings any of us on this board, or the ats as a whole feel? just because that gym teacher has either no desire to show others how to divide or multiply, or simply cant?

Originally posted by badmedia
Personally I feel I am servant to those who are asleep. My entire reason for taking part in discussions is to try and help uncover the truth for people and give them understanding. Am I going to beat myself up because they don't wake up? No.

If it's right or wrong is simply a single question - if you were asleep would you want people to try and wake you up? The answer is yes. So how can you look at others and not do so? I can't.

If you are having a hard time waking people up, then perhaps it has something to do with your approach.

If you expect someone to change their mind in the middle of a debate, your expectations are too high. And if you are expecting the person to believe everything you do, then you are still sleeping.

And overall, even if you were right the entire strategy is just keeping the status quo.

Cheers!
I"m not injecting religion into this by quoting Jesus. but his teaching.
" The greatest among you will be your servant"
This is a leadership style that never fails!
I am familiar with program management. Successful program managers always rub elbows with the engineer, production worker, technicians and ask what can I do to help you get this job done on time.

My technique is borrowed again from Jesus. I plant seeds...A word of the current events that mix with the conversation. A kind word to water the seed. Care about what events are "distracting them" from the seed growing. Dispense wisdom, or in ats word from the awaken, to counsel them.
I feel that I am successful if they begin to thirst for more information and then I free them with resources to learn on their own.
Yes it is tireing. I"ve been at it, on and off for over 20 years, but to see the light bulb turn on is well worth the effort and love.
Am I my brother's keeper? should be the name of this thread.
If your answer is no. Then you should pick the dark side.
When you say people that need help, awakened, will drag you down then you are deluding yourself! For what you have done to the least of my brethern you have done it to me! Yes even yourself.
Lend a hand and have the love that doesn't have to be repaid or considers the cost of giving the love!

I find it fitting how the OP has failed to return to the thread after being exposed as a "not so sucessful" liar on page 3.

My views on this subject are simple.

Once you are awake there is no turning back. It's not possible to go back to being part of the masses of the asleep. It's obvious that the way these systems are designed, we're supposed to think that we have no one but ourselves to blame when truly this is not the case. We have limits. Some are natural while others have been placed on us by a corrupt system of elitist rulers. To take action is a one way ticket to inprisonment, and the only difference then is your new prison is much more confined than your old prison.

What makes one awake? Absolutely nothing. There is no exact "point" where one becomes awakened. No matter how much you think you know, there is always more to learn (and death comes before you can even scratch the surface). All the "awakened" are doing is finding answers to why their life is the way it is. Someone who is truly happy with their life and confident in their decisions would never come to ATS in the first place.

The sleeping masses are nothing more that what most of us used to be. It was our decision to go down the rabbit hole (even though someone may have shown us the entrance). I will continue to show a select few the entrance but it's always wise to only tell those who you feel would truly benefit from learning such things. As much as I hate to say it, my family is a lost cause when it comes to being awakened. I've tried to show them the way but they would sooner listen to MSNBC than the pleads of their own blood.

On a side note, TURN OFF YOUR TV. Or watch TV and really pay attention and you'll see mind-control, brainwashing, mental programming, and total human manipulation at work. If you do not see these things, you are lost.

To all those so-called "soaring eagles" blaming the deadened masses for holding society back: perhaps you could take the fluoride out of the water, take the mercury out of the vaccines, and teach philosophy and civics in schools?

You could also end subliminal/psychological advertising. That might help.

Instating a flat tax, and ending extra erroneous taxes on new businesses might help the market become more competitive.

I don't think they are holding you back.. I think it might be the other way around...

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You sicken me. If you were truly Awake you'd wouldn't be looking down on someone who isn't as wise as you. I mean, you haven't always been Awake have you?

Troll.

Well i am awake right now, obvisouly, but i will be sleeping in no time; because this egocentric megalomaniac self-indulgent thread is boring.

Originally posted by TiM3LoRd
as was mentioned before we cant do this on our own. we need to wake the sheeple up, the problem is how. i dont think leaving them to their own devices is helpful they are too distracted with the rat race to care about the subtle mysteries of life. having said that i am also sick of trying to wake people up.

BUT at the end of the day we all have a part to play an i truly believe mine is that of the teacher. i will try to wake as many people as i can. and i have at least reached a few and made them think. if i can influence someones life in a positive manner then my existence on this planet has not been for naught.

whats the point of flying if you have no where to go and no one to fly with.

feel sympathy for the blind heard, for all you know the person you save might be your savior one day.

i have been given a choice and i choose to stay and help.

running away is the cowards choice

Very well said I agree otherwise you just leave this to a future generation
What's the point it's gonna be a slow process,but to opt out just slows the process
Everybody learns at their own pace the world was once flat imagine if nobody tried
To convince anybody it wasn't.

I agree in *SOME* aspects of the OP post that I don't have obligations to those that aren't prepared.

Just an example:

In a post SHTF world if you or you and your family shows up at my land/fort/stronghold or whatever you may not find refuge. I mean depending on my situation with supplies and what not, if you have no skills to offer and no weapons to help defend with then the chances of you being turned away are very high...

In that case, you have slept for to long and I may not have the resources to help you...

I might be totally off topic here, but just my thoughts...

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Who votes too declare who is Awake?!? Define awake? What's a HALE degree worth anyways? If..

Hmm, people always need a place to live? Real estate prices are going down. Would you invest now? or wait till the main stream media says hey its time to invest? Usually too late when EVERYONE jumps in at once.


Who is left holding the bag? hmm EVERYONE. Hard to get a loan though I would imagine if I see the news correctly. Credit shortage I believe. Where did all that money go?

Long live HALE ..

xtexan, good analogy. and i think theres been many definitions of awake if you even quickly read a few posts here, ranhome

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Ya, I'll admit I didn't read the entire thread like I should have, what he said just brought that situation into my head though.

I'm all for helping my fellow man and giving aid to those in need... But in a situation like I stated, if all you know how to do is shop and pay credit cards off, then your of no use to me and those who I'm camped with. I might give you some beef jerkey and water, but if you aren't prepared have nothing to offer, then I can't help you.

im pretty funny, and can hunt like hell. and im sure ill have the ar22, glock, compound, and mossberg 16g with me in the truck....people at work call me the witch doctor cuz i can fix anything. im sure ill be useful if i make it your way! and that was more for ranhome than you.

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I can throw a rock and believe me you dont want to get hit by it "trust me"...

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I agree with you. That is the most selfish mindset ever. And the so called 'enlightened' of the N.W.O. will go down also. It's nothing but a power/lust tripping game,using peoples lives as the pawns in this very SICK GAME.
And they will have thier JUST REWARDS for thier shortlived claim to fame!

Originally posted by manganesejolt

The "New World Order" ain't new, chief. The same families and bloodlines, the same natural aristocracy (some "college mind slaves" or whatever, others, like Bill Gates, brilliant dropouts but never burnouts) has propped up and animated the world from time immemorial. The only impending difference is that the props will finally be taken away and everything will be seen for what it is.

Those of us who are Awake owe nothing to those who have been unable to wake up before now and should certainly feel no guilt at finally being able to accept the rewards at long last that we have always deserved for our sacrifices. We have been paying for the sleeping world forever, it's time we finally took ownership.

Lol. Funny as hell. What precisely have any of these families and bloodlines contributed to humanity? Did they invent the writing, maths, sciences etc., that have allowed us to get where we are? No? Ok, the philosophy, poetry and art? No?? Hmmm. Did they do any of the labor? Fight the wars? No?

Thats because, like someone else so eloquently said, they are parasites. Ticks on the back of humanity. I guess to some degree you are right. If we dont wake up and scratch them off, it is our own fault that they are there. But they are not the greatest of us, they are the worst. And we can easily live without them, but they cannot survive without us.

And by the way, let them make a "one world government." Sure, it will suck for us poor slumbering ones initially, but by my calculations, that will be the beginning of the end for the ticks. Intra-species predators, ( whom you are calling the "awakened") have served a purpose in history. They benefit a group who is competing with other groups. If there are no competing groups, (one world government) they will eventually become redundant. So bring it on, awakened ones. Evolution of our species is moving towards greater cooperation and unity, ("Oneness" in spiritual parlance.) And has been for far longer than the history you are calling "time immemorial." It has been moving that way since that solitary cell began collecting and cooperating with other cells to form complex organisms.

Unless your version of awakened ones kills off the entire species before we reach that unity, (in which case all of humanity loses, and it is possible) the "awakened ones" will end up roadkill on the evolutionary highway, while the "poor ignorant majority" goes marching (cooperatively) on.






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