NASA STS-114 UFO Footage - Can it be debunked?

Originally posted by RFBurns

Originally posted by guessing

your right , this is shot inside the earth atmosphers, the 'horizon' is a bay/

Notice that the desperate explanations usually come in droves at the last ditch effort hour as we get closer and closer to the truth.

A pattern so recognizable its rediculous.

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Are you really sure you wanna go out on that limb? invert the image in your mind and the truth is there

Originally posted by Europa733
Like I said earlier : Now, the "lights" that are supposed to be stars that are outside the "Earth" at the bottom of the screen all move in the same direction (up) & angular speed (for the viewer) as the ones within the Earth's surface (city lights ?)

Just try it yourself and use the "Earth's rim" as a reference point. (for a few seconds)


That could be a clue for the rest of the video if we can explain it...

This is one of the reasons why I doubt this is even the Earth's rim we are seeing, it's not logical. I stand with ArMap on this one until we can find more data and explain this anomaly.


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Europa

I submit both you and ArMaP are standing on pretty shakey ground with this one. And quite desperate.

Do you know what a star is? It is a sun, a huge ball of burning hydrogen like our own sun. If there were stars near the Earth as you put it, why are we not all lit up 24 hours a day, and burning up being exposed to so many stars then?





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Flipping the image 180* doesnt prove its shot from the ground or in the air either.

Already did that. Does not change anything other than looking at the picture upside down. Again, why is the Earth's curvature so well defined as it will look ONLY from orbit.



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Originally posted by ArMaP

Originally posted by RFBurns
As I stated in other threads, there are those of us who think way byond the 8x11 piece of paper, and definately can see with our own eyes what is happening.

We use A4 paper in Portugal, it's a 210x297 millimetres piece of paper, so yes, I think beyond your 8x11 piece of paper.

I do hope you also mean byond the 210x297 size as well.


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Originally posted by Bosko
reply to post by RFBurns

 

I'm sure no one is trying to say that this was taken from some other planet in the galaxy.... That's a pretty big conclusion to jump to from what has been written in the last few posts.

at 41 seconds it clearly shows a mountain with lights on it, and if you look at the 'rim' its the waters edge.

I say it is Earth curvature here. And the Earth itself is the area up starting with the curvature, where the clouds are moving (the shuttle in fact moving). it is obvious. More, when camera pans to the left, the curvature and the bright points of light move to the right accordingly, respecting the relative position one from each other (bright objects and curvature). This rules out the "lens flare" explication for that curvature. In fact, if you begin to see the shuttle missions summary from here:
www.nss.org...
you can see many similar filmings with low light cameras to the Earth surface or rim.
I don't think that the movie show else. it is the earth. But (maybe) all the brigh points there, are NOT lights on the surface (city lights), but real objects floating in the space, with the same speed/orbit like the shuttle. You can see that are not lights on the earth surface, since the clouds moves away to the right (shutle in fact moving to the left), but the objects no, and, if, i say again, if you spped up the movie, you can see changing in relative position between the lights there.

The only "mistery" there it is the 180 degree turning object. Else is pretty clear.

Originally posted by ArMaP
I haven't seen any, that is why I said that. Also, as far as I know, this mission was a common mission, no special satellites to be launched, and they did some work with the ISS.

There are plenty of them. Just have to look for them, most can be found on NASA's own websites.

BTW, the ISS is around 200 miles up.

Originally posted by ArMaP
I can see a curve, but I have no way of knowing if that is the Earth's rim or if it's something else, even a lens flare.

No way, you stand by that statement??? OMG..are you loosing it?

Originally posted by ArMaP
I haven't said that these are ice particles, I haven't talked about atmospheric drag, I haven't presented any explanation, so I guess you are once more answering to other people's posts in an answer to a post from me.

Correct.

Originally posted by ArMaP
I know that the sceptics may look all the same to you, but we are not.

No...they all just say the same things.




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reply to post by depthoffield


The only thing that was strange to me is how fast the clouds are moving, but you're right that it could just be the shuttle moving. Either way it's the unknown object that is most important here and I'm leaning towards it being an intelligently moving object, so to speak.

Originally posted by guessing

Originally posted by Bosko
reply to post by RFBurns

 

I'm sure no one is trying to say that this was taken from some other planet in the galaxy.... That's a pretty big conclusion to jump to from what has been written in the last few posts.

at 41 seconds it clearly shows a mountain with lights on it, and if you look at the 'rim' its the waters edge.

This is a snapshot right at 0:41 of the video, brightness increased to bring out curvature...and where is this mountian with lights you refer to?

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/7ae018788077.jpg[/atsimg]


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Originally posted by Bosko
reply to post by depthoffield

 

The only thing that was strange to me is how fast the clouds are moving, but you're right that it could just be the shuttle moving. Either way it's the unknown object that is most important here ....

Thank you. This thread IS about the object. Not camera angle, not mythical mountians up in space with lights, not "is it Earth or ??", its about the object doing unusual manuvers that a normal piece of ice particle or space junk will not do.


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Originally posted by RFBurns
I submit both you and ArMaP are standing on pretty shakey ground with this one. And quite desperate.

On shakey ground and quite desperate? What are you talking about?

Just because I say that I can not be sure if that curved line we see is the Earth's rim or not?

Does it look like the Earth's rim? Yes.
Does it looks like there are some clouds appearing at the end of the video? Yes.
Can I be sure about those things? No.

Originally posted by ArMaP
I can see a curve, but I have no way of knowing if that is the Earth's rim or if it's something else, even a lens flare.

No way, you stand by that statement??? OMG..are you loosing it?

Yes, the fact that it looks like the Earth's rim it's not enough for me to be sure about it.

I do hope you also mean byond the 210x297 size as well.

Sure, we also have A3, 297x420.


Looking at the following video we can see that the curved line looks like the one on the other video, but in this we have other references to understand that what we are seeing is the Earth.


On the OP video it could be that the Shuttle was passing over the Pacific, for example, and there wouldn't be any references visible (landmarks, city lights, etc.), maybe if the OP's video had some more seconds it would be enough.

I noticed now that in this post I wrote " I don't think that we are seeing the Earth".

What I wanted to say was that I do not think that the lights we see are on Earth, like I said on my previous posts.

Sorry to all the people basing their answers in this sentence.

This is kind of interesting. In the Disclose.tv video, the "clouds" seem to be outside the curvature of the Earth towards the end. Maybe the shuttle or satellite released some kind of gas? So maybe they aren't clouds. Just found it curious that the whole screen seems to get covered by it at the end.

no, that is sunlight hitting the lens, thus lens flare, because shuttle going to the "day-side" of the earth.

Originally posted by Bosko
This is kind of interesting. In the Disclose.tv video, the "clouds" seem to be outside the curvature of the Earth towards the end. Maybe the shuttle or satellite released some kind of gas? So maybe they aren't clouds. Just found it curious that the whole screen seems to get covered by it at the end.

That isnt clouds. That is light refractions from the sunlight. If you look more closely, it is also present on the left side.

I once again refer to the tether video, where we see light refractions on the lens, predominantly in the lower right when the camera zooms in on the tether.

In your example, that refraction "haze" only appears after the camera or shuttle changes orientation. If it were clouds, they would be there in the entire video.



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Thanks That makes sense.

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Well we can sit here till Nibiru shows up and debate if this is the Earth rim or not. But are you going to hang on a 10th degree decimal place notion that the curve we see is not the Earth rim only because there is very little to reference with?

Ok..lets play along with that theory that it is not the Earth rim. I like games.

What proves that it is not the Earth rim? What evidence within that video clearly tells us that this is not taken in orbit in space, but on some tower with a fish-eye lens looking up at an angle?

There is more proof in that video as it stands to conclude it is definately up in orbit. The curve fits with other videos showing the Earth curvature and the ratio of that curve can be matched with other videos..such as the one you posted, that will give more credence to the OP video being taken up in orbit than any proof within that video saying it is not taken up in orbit but in the atmosphere.

(what round is this...I lost count)




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Originally posted by RFBurns
But are you going to hang on a 10th degree decimal place notion that the curve we see is not the Earth rim only because there is very little to reference with?

I am not saying that what we see is not the Earth's rim, I am saying (or at least I am trying) that I cannot be sure if that is the Earth's rim with what I can see on the video.

Ok..lets play along with that theory that it is not the Earth rim. I like games.

It's not a theory, I just said that I am not sure if that is the Earth's rim.

There is more proof in that video as it stands to conclude it is definately up in orbit.

I never said the video was not made in orbit, what made you think that?

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What made me state that is because of what you are stating..that you are not sure if this is the Earth rim. Well..what else would it be then? I dont need any other evidence to tell me that is the Earth rim. However, your not sure, so I am just trying to pin point your reasons (real reasons) why you dont think its the Earth rim, dispite your saying you need more data to fully conclude it is the Earth rim.

There is plenty of data there to conclude it is the Earth rim. We see the terminator of night and daylight when the camera or entire shuttle changes orientation to the left, we see the cloud layers on the daylight side shine and come into view, we see the few ground lights and we also see a couple of satellites or debris orbiting in the distance.

Im not sure what else there could be to nail the lid on the coffin about it. But be as that may, we are still faced with the issue of the object's manuvers...a turn and burn manuver.



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Originally posted by RFBurns
I dont need any other evidence to tell me that is the Earth rim. However, your not sure, so I am just trying to pin point your reasons (real reasons) why you dont think its the Earth rim, dispite your saying you need more data to fully conclude it is the Earth rim.

The fact that I am not sure if it's the Earth's rim does not mean that I think it's not the Earth's rim, it's precisely the opposite. I find it most likely that what we see is the Earth's rim, but I am not sure because I have only a similarity between that line and the line I have seen in other videos, but I have also seen a somewhat similar line that was due to a lens flare on a relatively high contrast video

There is plenty of data there to conclude it is the Earth rim. We see the terminator of night and daylight when the camera or entire shuttle changes orientation to the left, we see the cloud layers on the daylight side shine and come into view, we see the few ground lights and we also see a couple of satellites or debris orbiting in the distance.

That is another problem (in fact, this all started because of that), I do not think that any of those lights is on the Earth's surface, if those lights were moving along in the same way as what looks like clouds (I am not sure about those either ) then I could consider it a clue that the lights were on the Earth's surface.

In conclusion:
- I don't think that the lights we see are Earth lights.
- I think that what appears at the end of the video are clouds, but I am not sure
- I think that what we see is the Earth rim, but I am not sure.

That is why I said that if the video was a little longer maybe I could clear my doubts, because if what we see are really clouds then that is the Earth's rim. But if that is the Earth's rim and the clouds move in (apparently, the movement is most probably all from the shuttle) at that speed then the lights are not ground lights.

I hope I have explained it a little better this time, my lack of vocabulary sometimes is annoying and gives me some trouble to explain what I am thinking.

But be as that may, we are still faced with the issue of the object's manuvers...a turn and burn manuver.

Yes, but I do not know what to say about it, I do not have enough data to think about a plausible explanation.

But I do not think that the movement is caused by atmospheric drag.