NASA STS-114 UFO Footage - Can it be debunked?

This is a fascinating clip, with many features of typical low-light Tv from the payload bay (the curving white line is the airglow layer, about 30 miles above the actual physical horizon -- that's why stars are still visible as they pass beneath it), but the long slow curving motion is unusual [thruster firings are usually brief, and so course changes are o short duration]. Fortunately, in looking for any physical effect that might account for a long-term force on a nearby moving object, we have the exact time of the video, and can access mission planning documents. Here's what we can find:

Europa733 wrote: “Orbit: 174 Met 010 23 11 Mission Elapsed Time: 10 days, 23 hours, 11 minutes. “

See in general www.nss.org...
And specifically www1.nasa.gov...

This is Flight Day 12, and MET 10/23:11 is the beginning of the crew pre-sleep activities, after a brief off-duty respite, and just immediately before sunrise. They undocked from the space station six hours earlier. An attitude maneuver using vernier jets (from biased –ZLV +YVV to -ZLV –XVV attitude) was scheduled for an hour later.

This activity is of high significance to the video. Water dumps often create sprays of ice particles, or just invisible water vapor flows across the camera field of view.

11 Prior to the waste water dump scheduled at 10/20:45, pregather the following:
12
13 Leaking Technical Water CWC S/N 1012 (temp stowed after CWC Dump on
14 FD11)
15
16 Shuttle Condensate CWC S/N 5050 (temp stowed after Shuttle Condensate
17 Collection Changeout on FD10)
18
19 Shuttle Condensate CWC S/N 6008 (temp stowed after Shuttle Condensate
20 Collection Teardown on FD11)
21
22 Waste Water Dump (WWD) Filter from the Shuttle BOB (MF14H)
23
24 CWC (Yellow-Yellow 20 ft) hose from Shuttle CHCK
25
26 At MET 10/20:45, perform a waste water dump using SUPPLY/WASTE WATER
27 DUMP (ORB OPS, ECLS), p. 5-2 Steps E, G, and I #1 and I #2. Dump the waste
28 tank to 5%. Nozzle open time will be ~37 minutes. MCC will TMBU all FDA limits.
29
30 After step I #2 of SUPPLY/WASTE WATER DUMP (ORB OPS, ECLS) is complete,
31 exit that procedure and begin dumping the remaining water in leaking CWC S/N
32 1012 starting in Step A DUMP PREP of CWC OVERBOARD DUMP (ORB OPS,
33 ECLS) p. 5-32. Do not perform steps B, C, and H. Sequentially dump CWC S/N
34 1012, Shuttle Condensate CWC S/N 5050, and Shuttle Condensate CWC S/N 6008.
35 MCC will TMBU all FDA.
36
37 Leaking CWC S/N 1012 dump duration will depend on how much water is left in the
38 bag, but should take no longer than 20 minutes. CWC S/N 5050 dump duration will
39 be approx. 63 minutes. CWC S/N 6008 dump duration will be approx. 16 minutes.

So the dump was expected to be complete at about 23:01 if it started on time and there was no time used between switching the different bags and lines.

The particle moving linearly from left to right can be postulated as a member of the population of entrained ice particles from the tail end of the water dump. The brighter particle originating on the right side of the screen, sunlit since the shuttle has passed out of Earth's shadow, is of undetermined origin -- there are so many candidates aboard 'leaky' shuttles -- but in its motion is gently pushed by the same force that has propelled the smaller particle left-to-right. Hypothesis -- it's the tail end of the water dump, as described in detail on the daily activity plan.

The shuttle attitude, biased –ZLV +YVV, means the -Z axis into local vertical (i.e., payload bay to Earth, the most benign thermal orientation), and +Y (out the right wing) into velocity vector (i.e., flying sideways into sunrise). This indicates the rising sun will illuminate anything floating up and out of the payload bay.

RFBurns, you indeed know a lot about orbital mechanics -- much of it accurate, but much of it garbled. I'll get back to you

don't know what to say!

reply to post by JimOberg


Excuse my ignorance, but you are this man here? : www.jamesoberg.com...


I have to read about you here:
en.wikipedia.org...

Now i'm about 0,01% less ignorant .


Ok, i said before about the OP movie in this thread, that those bright lights it can be space debris like ice or junk from shuttle activities, iluminated by the sun, following the shuttle. Of course, i've been ridiculed about this.

What you said, confirm my guess. More, you gave us a big plenty of details about STS mission...and therefore..much time to verify. I take your word in fairness of details presented. Thanks.

One question for you, please:

Regarding the one moving bright particle, which apparently moves from the right to the left, stop, and then moves to the right, i advanced a hypothesys, that not only the projection of the balistic trajectory of the particle to the camera point of view, can make this illusion of changing direction, but the little atmospheric drag can account for this if the particle has big area but low mass (fluffy). Can the atmospheric drag be observed in real time like it is my guess here? (or solar pressure or other little forces involved)



[edit on 24/2/09 by depthoffield]

Go to the video in question on this link:

www.disclose.tv...

A very funny thing happens to all the "lights" when you speed up the video. (Load it and then move the location slider quickly from left to right.)

None of them can be terrestrial.


[edit on 24-2-2009 by Nichiren]

reply to post by JimOberg


Thank you for joining this thread. Your knowledge is badly needed here.

Get ready to be labelled a "government mule".

reply to post by JimOberg


BTW. Where do you gather the exact time of the video?

Jim Oberg is still repeating the same old, same old. He does not deserve to TAKE OVER this thread with his basic stump speech! Don't take his bait.
He merely blinds us with his factually packed, science speak. He has lost his bite with NASA video researchers, and this NASA debate passed him by years ago.

A self appointed skeptical superstar butting in on a great thread just to disrupt it and threaten ATS members! Watch out everyone, or he might "get back to you later".

reply to post by JimOberg
You post some accurate details and firmly locate the STS-114 where it ought to be according to schedules posted on the NASA sites. There's no dispute on this thread about the mission or the schedule. There are some excellent images of take off, landing and all else. There's a site here that has AVIs of the footage in great resolutions

he shuttle attitude, biased –ZLV +YVV, means the -Z axis into local vertical (i.e., payload bay to Earth, the most benign thermal orientation), and +Y (out the right wing) into velocity vector (i.e., flying sideways into sunrise). This indicates the rising sun will illuminate anything floating up and out of the payload bay.

The film has no detail with which to support those assertions. If I'm missing something obvious, I'm happy to eat my hat. I buy one a week for just such reasons and it costs me a lot of money

The question is about where the video is from, which location it's filming from and why the point of view remains static compared to other STS footage. Provenance of the video would go a long way to reassuring people. As it is, who knows what it is?

If you can answer those questions this thread will fade and the STS-114 footage can be added to the STS-80 as indicative of something extraordinary

Originally posted by Nichiren
reply to post by JimOberg

 

BTW. Where do you gather the exact time of the video?

Hi everyone,

Same question here. (maybe we missed something ?)

To Mr OBerg ;

I actually did not read the mission summary yet because I was not sure about the video itself and the data provided (time, date) by HBCC Ufo Research. (you never are too cautious)

You said : "we have the exact time of the video, and can access mission planning documents"

Thanks for the document (pdf) by the way but I still don't understand how you can tell for sure that the video is really part of STS-114 ? Did you watch it before or do you have access to it ?

Cheers,
Europa






[edit on 24-2-2009 by Europa733]

Hi, inquisitive persons.

See that video:

media.abovetopsecret.com...

It shows **very** well that we are in orbit.

RGBurns and like minded will like me ! ! B-)

Blue skies.

These objects on many of the NASA clips, have in common, much unexplainable physics of movement.

What we see is not a meteor. A known-known, is that a meteor cannot survive for distances longer than a few seconds and the object on the STS-114, for example, does not burn out as meteors do.

Sometimes a picture is worth more than a thousand words. Sometimes it can change our perception of life and for good or bad, allow us to observe truth, over the usual factual storytelling.

Perhaps that is what is happening again, as we continue to see more of these NASA videos.

reply to post by secretnasaman


What it is, is what it is. totally agree.

Wake up people stop JUSTIFYING anything to these self proclaimed debunkers or skeptics. You 're falling for their trap.

You see what you see - a UFO right to left. stops. (forgot the wallet) reverse back home to get the wallet.

Who says ETs can't forget things like us very important lifeforms known as Earthlings?!

btw who ever is from NASA - you should realize as nice as these guys are - they have probably been tampered with by hypno-trance-mind control , so anything they talk about should be taken with this in mind.

wZn

First we need to agree that it is something under “its” own control.

What “it” is who knows space critters, aliens, something man made? That is not the important part right now. Could have been a weapons test to send a message wink wink.

If “it” was nothing why ZOOM in and follow it? Lets start there.



As shown on page one video UFO - NASA - UFO Missed by Ground Based Energy Pulse. Maybe it didn't miss???


Maybe the zoom happens because thats the reptilian part taking over flight OR fight you know.. Hell if it was unknown to me I certainly would be checking my SIX to make sure it wasn't coming back. LOL

Fun topic for sure.

All the Jargon Crap

I sell tech “stuff” for a living. You can make a sale while making people feel inferior at the same time. WHY? Because people hate to feel stupid. So you get a lot of yea, yea your right. I might not have an advance engineering degree but I Know when I am being sold...

Originally posted by franspeakfree

Between Hawaii and U.S. The camera on STS 114 is aimed at the ocean as several lights fly around with one object coming to a stop and reversing direction.

I realise this is an old video however, to me it has significance importance to the understanding that UFO's are indeed real and around us on a daily basis.

Please take a look at this video and tell me otherwise. In it you will see a UFO shoot in to the frame going in one direction then decelerate and shoot off in the opposite direction. This footage was recorded by Nasa STS-114 Whilst it was orbiting the Earth ,


Please note that the shuttle was travelling at 18000 mph.

Let's start with the OP.

There is no source for your quote.

How did you authenticate the video?

How do you know the shuttle was traveling at that velocity?

I could say that we're looking at underwater footage. Facts please

reply to post by watchZEITGEISTnow


For the life of me I can't figure out if you're serious or just kidding.

All the best,

N

Originally posted by JimOberg

RFBurns, you indeed know a lot about orbital mechanics -- much of it accurate, but much of it garbled. I'll get back to you

I could dive into a bunch of mathmatical mumbo jumbo and confuse the hell out of everyone here, but I would not put the average person participating in these discussions through that. My intent is to explain it in more or less..simple terms that dont require brain blender confusion.

You may have explained for the right to left motion of this 'ice particle' after a waste dump...but you nor anyone else has explained how this 'waste dump ice particle' does a turn and burn and head off in the other direction.

Also..if this is just some left over drop from a waste dump done prior...where is the cluster of waste? That dump would go in the same direction as this left over drop would. We do not see that dump cluster anywhere prior to this object zipping right to left in the video.


Cheers!!!!

[edit on 24-2-2009 by RFBurns]

reply to post by JimOberg


Mr Oberg,

Can you authenticate the video? Do you have a link to a better quality version.

Thank you.


[edit on 24-2-2009 by Nichiren]

Originally posted by ranhome

If “it” was nothing why ZOOM in and follow it? Lets start there.

The object is not even in the middle of the screen!

Follow? Are we watching the same video? There was no attempt made to follow the object. As a matter of fact, the camera pans the other way at the end.

[edit on 24-2-2009 by Nichiren]

Originally posted by watchZEITGEISTnow

btw who ever is from NASA - you should realize as nice as these guys are - they have probably been tampered with by hypno-trance-mind control , so anything they talk about should be taken with this in mind.

wZn

And after ALL of the STS videos discussed, presented, debated and re-hashed over and over...this particular one draws the attention of a NASA employee???

Ya right ok. Which one of you regular debunkers just signed up another account or got one of your friends to sign up or call back someone who hasnt posted for quite some time to only have 53 points?

Suspicious as all get out.

I would have thought the tether one would draw out a NASA person. But this one?....ya ok.


No Anomaly Seen Alright.



Cheers!!!!



[edit on 24-2-2009 by RFBurns]

reply to post by RFBurns


When logic fails, accusations fly ...

All the best,

N