NASA STS-114 UFO Footage - Can it be debunked?

Originally posted by Nichiren
BTW: could somebody please provide a link with better video quality. Youtube compression is terrible.

Jeff Chandler has done some great work on this one
www.projectprove.com...

And has quite a collection of NASA video objects
www.projectprove.com...

But seriously all these stars and flags for such an old topic? Never ceases to amaze me at the fickleness of the ATS audience

But hey now we have Phage... the newest debunker expert on the block and DepthofField so I guess one more round again...



Enjoy... been here done that... no time to play again


UFO - NASA STS 114. undoubtedly the best, ice crystals? HA!!, page 1
Discusion about UFO - NASA STS 114. undoubtedly the best, ice crystals? HA!! in the AboveTopSecret.com website alternative topics discussion ...
www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread294490/pg1

New NASA STS 114 UFOs (LOOK), page 1
Discusion about New NASA STS 114 UFOs (LOOK) in the AboveTopSecret.com website alternative topics discussion forum Aliens & UFOs.
www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread171259/pg1

EVA Debut: The Spacewalking Team of STS-114, page 1
Discusion about EVA Debut: The Spacewalking Team of STS-114 in the AboveTopSecret.com website alternative topics discussion forum Space Exploration.
www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread137179/pg1

STS-114, page 1
Discusion about STS-114 in the AboveTopSecret.com website alternative topics discussion forum Aliens & UFOs.
www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread235254/pg1

STS 114 Did NASA's Cameras Catch A UFO ? Yep, Vid Inc., page 1
Discusion about STS 114 Did NASA's Cameras Catch A UFO ? Yep, Vid Inc. in the AboveTopSecret.com website alternative topics discussion forum Aliens & UFOs.
www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread209122/pg1

Unnoticed Flying Objects During Shuttle Launch *new*, page 4
STS - 114 Cameras did record strange objects from space. You should check out those videos , where the objects on those films certainly are not Turkey
www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread211850/pg4

STS - 121 Will we see more UFOs?, page 1
As many of you know last years STS - 114 Mission yielded several pieces of good video of what can only be described as UFOs. This mission STS -121 could ...
www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread214675/pg1

To those who think NASA is Hiding Evidence, page 1
Well I can't guess at what videos you are talking about , but the facts are that the STS-114 mission had the most cameras of any STS mission and we have
www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread188011/pg1

UFO's spotted during shuttle launch..., page 2
These are ice chips , but you can see some UFOs on the STS -114 Mission .... So the number is 114 as in STS 114. In UFO literature there is talk of a war ...
www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread184471/pg2

And that is only page 1 of 10 on the ATS search for STS114

Originally posted by ArMaPAccusing other ATS members of signing up another account (which is forbidden by the T&S) is not very polite from you, and if you look you can see that this member is older (as an ATS member) than you.

It is interesting that in this Thread here James Oberg appears and raised quite a fuss over the Ken Johnston issue..
NASA Scientist Fired - Promises Disclosure
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Yet in that thread he posts under the name of JimO registered August 20, 2006

Now here we see JimOberg posting in another controversial thread and presumably this person is also the real James Oberg... registered November 16, 2007

I for one would like to know what is going on and why the two accounts... but when Jim takes the time and effort to debunk a NASA issue... you can bet we have something interesting in our hands...

SecretNasaMan has previously stated on ATS that he is Martyn Stubbs...

Seems every few months we go through all this again like a time loop

Hope that clears things up a little



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Edit to add...

Jim Oberg with his buddy Phil Plait of Bad Astronomy




[edit on 25-2-2009 by zorgon]

I love truth. I love the whole story. I love it when the roaches scatter when the light turns on.

Amazing. Thanks for the added info Zorgon.


Cheers!!!!

Originally posted by zorgon
But hey now we have Phage... the newest debunker expert on the block, and DepthofField so I guess one more round again...

Yes, in addition to different debunkers every time, there's always an abundance of new wild eyed explanations.

I'm betting this time, they're just gonna stick to the dust particle explanation and play it safe or space junk maybe.

Originally posted by RFBurns
I love truth. I love the whole story. I love it when the roaches scatter when the light turns on.

Amazing. Thanks for the added info Zorgon.

Cheers!!!!

Do you also love the fact that you were dead wrong concerning the terrestrial lights?

We all make errors, but the inability of certain posters to consider a wide range of explanations, speaks volumes. Space is an alien environment to us. Normal "stuff" behaves differently.

Differing interpretations of evidence doesn't always imply a conspiracy or agenda. People that support an explanation different to one's own aren't automatically revealing themselves as supporting or opposing establishment views. They are (usually) free-willed, intelligent people with the ability to draw their own conclusions.

Each video that's described as showing a UFO (of whatever form) is open to interpretation. Questions are allowed to be asked. It's democratic and it's a form of peer review. Science forums dismiss the views of UFO fans with contempt. That contempt is often reflected by the ardent UFO fan on these threads. The essence of the automatic dismissal of people's views is contempt. It's also as narrow-minded as the views expressed by the scientist that insists all UFOs are imaginary.

Gloating and back-patting glee at how all people that disagree are lemmings, sheeple, misinfo agents and disinfo agents undermines the character of the poster. If it goes against the rigid view, it's because NASA are liars, decietful and corrupt. Apparently, it's quite the comfort zone.

If a couple of skeptics turned up with e*proof* it would be evident that they'd ruled out *every*other possible explanation. Their thinking and evidence would be transparent and open to question. Dismissing skeptics ( which is used as a pejorative term round here) is arrogant and lacks fore-sight.

50p

Originally posted by Nichiren

Originally posted by RFBurns
I love truth. I love the whole story. I love it when the roaches scatter when the light turns on.

Amazing. Thanks for the added info Zorgon.

Cheers!!!!

Do you also love the fact that you were dead wrong concerning the terrestrial lights?

We all make errors, but the inability of certain posters to consider a wide range of explanations, speaks volumes. Space is an alien environment to us. Normal "stuff" behaves differently.

So...whats the big deal? And what makes you the expert in determining who keeps an open mind to consider a wide range of explanations and what makes you think I have not examined this material before?

The position I take should give you some idea..that I have been around the block quite a few times about these STS videos....thank you.

What makes you think these STS videos have only been discussed and debated here at ATS?

In other words, I have membership in various space anomaly forums scattered across the net. And only this one, was there deviation from the subject at hand..the object doing the turn and burn. No time or effort was wasted on irrelevancies in the video. Focus was on the object.

Now..who is having the inability to consider the wider range of explanations in other's previous studies over these videos?




Need a mirror?



Cheers!!!!


[edit on 25-2-2009 by RFBurns]

I don't understand what there is to debunk honestly. While I sometimes get weary of folks who feel they need to debunk everything they see for the sake of it, something like this is relatively weak.

You have a small white dot which changes directions. Ice can do that. So can debris. A shift in the ships orientation can create this effect as well. There are too many easy explanations, to say it's definitely "under intelligent control" and alien to us. Ice can contain gasses, debris can be shifted via thrust created by the shuttle, and so on.

Nothing will be proved with small white dots, with no features, which goes one direction, slows, and goes another.

I have just spent the last half an hour catching up. From reading the posts it is clear that this canot be brushed off or debunked.

I think we all agree (even the debunkers) that NASA doesn't tell us everything when it comes to UFO activity around the planet. Therefore, I have to ask myself why would this man James Oberg join this thread.

I have marked the relevant words in context.

James Edward Oberg (born 1944) (often known as Jim Oberg) is an American space journalist and historian, regarded as an expert on the Russian space program.

After service in the US Air Force, he joined NASA in 1975, where he worked until 1997 at Johnson Space Center on the Space Shuttle program. He worked in the Mission Control Center for several Space Shuttle missions from STS-1 on, specialising in orbital rendezvous techniques. This culminated in planning the orbit for the STS-88 mission, the first International Space Station assembly flight

After reading this thread from the beginning I can see a clear pattern emerging, and that is, the debunkers are running out of ideas. Therefore, this man just so happens to pop up and spin the thread in another direction.

IMHO anyone that has had any ties with NASA especially the ties that James Oberg has had is not to be trusted one iota. He will distort the facts by using words and pointless detail to confuse us and point this thread in another direction.

Laugh all you will but wait and see.

Taking it as face value of what we see in the video is the STS nobody has addressed the issue of the force that slows the object and propels it in the other direction?





[edit on 25-2-2009 by franspeakfree]

Originally posted by fleabit
I don't understand what there is to debunk honestly. While I sometimes get weary of folks who feel they need to debunk everything they see for the sake of it, something like this is relatively weak.

You have a small white dot which changes directions. Ice can do that. So can debris. A shift in the ships orientation can create this effect as well. There are too many easy explanations, to say it's definitely "under intelligent control" and alien to us. Ice can contain gasses, debris can be shifted via thrust created by the shuttle, and so on.

Nothing will be proved with small white dots, with no features, which goes one direction, slows, and goes another.

What are you saying?

This white dot that changes direction could very well be another craft, from another planet, that has other intelligent life forms in it , that could very well be patrolling our solar system right this very moment, that if found to be true could have a dramatic impact on the way in which our lives are run every day.

This white dot could be the significant change that we need in order to know the truth and start living life the way we are meant to instead of slaving everyday for the powers that be.

This white dot could be the answers we are looking for .

[edit on 25-2-2009 by franspeakfree]

Originally posted by franspeakfree

After reading this thread from the beginning I can see a clear pattern emerging, and that is, the debunkers are running out of ideas. Therefore, this man just so happens to pop up and spin the thread in another direction.

IMHO anyone that has had any ties with NASA especially the ties that James Oberg has had is not to be trusted one iota. He will distort the facts by using words and pointless detail to confuse us and point this thread in another direction. [edit on 25-2-2009 by franspeakfree]

In summary, the video is from the STS-114 and it clearly shows an alien spacecraft dropping in to the Earth's atmosphere.

If anyone disagrees with this fact they are a debunker, skeptic (pejorative), have an agenda, some variety of Agent or work for NASA.

How about this video below? It's damn impressive. What can be said about it though? How can people arrive at a conclusion without first asking questions? It has to be all or nothing. We either accept all UFO footage is open to question or there isn't any point left.

Is this a Hoax?



The Best Fake UFO Videos of 2008

In a wider context, it's from these groups where the evidence will emerge from. One group by themselves are unlikely to manage it. We can challenge the evidence without casting aspersions on every person that disagrees with the conclusion. Human nature is way more complicated than black and white. Believers or skeptics (whatever else division) are individuals and not all part of an agenda. We all make mistakes and screw up once a week usually.

If it wasn't for skeptics, J-Rod would be selling books by now, you-tube would be considered a documentary franchise and Roswell would be a balloon incident.

Originally posted by franspeakfree

This white dot could be the answers we are looking for .

[edit on 25-2-2009 by franspeakfree]

Wow, you've nailed it: it's a white dot!

All the best,

N

Originally posted by RFBurns

Originally posted by Nichiren

Originally posted by RFBurns
I love truth. I love the whole story. I love it when the roaches scatter when the light turns on.

Amazing. Thanks for the added info Zorgon.

Cheers!!!!

Do you also love the fact that you were dead wrong concerning the terrestrial lights?

We all make errors, but the inability of certain posters to consider a wide range of explanations, speaks volumes. Space is an alien environment to us. Normal "stuff" behaves differently.

So...whats the big deal?
[edit on 25-2-2009 by RFBurns]

The big deal is that you were dead wrong about basic visual clues. I've never claimed to be an expert. You are the one who is talking about degrees and multiple memberships on related websites

I just wanted to point out that you don't even know the basics, regardless of your educational background. Your mind is made up and facts only get in the way.

Thanks to RFBurns ! He is keeping the wolves at bay and is fearless!...also please
believe it, that is the real Jim Oberg. If there is a confusing registration for this man, its only because ATS management loves these guys to post and will thus do whatever they ask, he probably has a cover id as well!

So why this thread for the BIG MAN??..Good question...Ego? or the failure of Bill Nye, the science/skeptic guy to replace him?
...and for everyone who read his "boast" that he has debunked the STS-75 and STS-80 videos ... don't believe it for a moment...his tactic is to dismiss things he does not want
to explain and can not debate..He's upset that no one mentions him in threads anymore when we are talking NASA video.

In space, ice melts very quickly due to the heat of the Suns radiation, so forget ice.
If these were natural objects, such as debris, they would be falling through space in the
same direction and all at the same speed, so forget debris. Satellites revolve around the Earth in straight lines and in orbits that are constant, so forget satellites.

NASA scientist Dr. Louis A. Frank,
has been "credited" by the space agency with the discovery of "small comets". He found images of this phenomenon in the Ultra Violet spectrum on pictures from a NASA Satellite.
He says they are small comets of water which NASA dismisses as nonsense, but NASA still made him a science hero and gave him additional resources to study this new phenomenon. (He has his own web sight with all the amazing details)...
all because of his
discovery of the "visual" part of this "weird phenomenon". It was unimpeachable! He was the first to "see" it on their own NASA space cameras! (..so what else could they do!)

Dr. Frank wrote the following after viewing the STS-75 tether footage and STS-80 videos:

"I find the contents of the videos FASCINATING. There are several objects that may be small comets in the videos. Other phenomenon being recorded in the videos ARE NOT EASILY EXPLAINED. Several of us have examined the videos MANY TIMES."

An honest NASA man! Amazing what he says about the JimO. "debunked" NASA events!

Originally posted by pazcat
reply to post by John Matrix
yeah there was definately a couple of things going on in that film, and i think there are a few more NASA tapes of incidents like these, one if i remeber looks as though something was being shot at then dissapears upward real quick.

This is one of my fave vids of UFO's. I wonder if the powers that be use projectile deterrents to stop more UFO's visiting Earth for fear of them being openly witnessed by the general public.

And I wonder when Virgin Galactic finally start their tours if they will fly high enough so that the sun's light won't outshine the potential of passengers witnessing this type of occurrence....?

Can it be debunked?

Ummm... It was one of those shooting stars that realised it had taken a wrong turn at Mars, then doubled back on itself to get back on course.

Interesting in its way but as usual the object is merely a light that has no shape or form that we can detect. Also, what were all the other white lights in the same frame? - the ones that did not move despite the speed of the shuttle being 18,000 mph? And the light that moved - how far away was it - how big was it? How fast would it have been travelling - a question that cannot be answered without knowing the answers to the previous ones. Lots more questions need to be asked and answered before this can be even suspected as a UFO

Originally posted by Majorion

I'm betting this time, they're just gonna stick to the dust particle explanation and play it safe

or space junk maybe.

What odds are you offering, and who will hold the stakes?