Proof of intelligently controlled unknown spacecrafts with probable extra-terrestrial origin

reply to post by Rollzio


Well said!

When ones reality is created through ones thoughts, you will understand why so many do not desire greater understanding as to the nature of our universe. Believing we're alone is an expression of ones inner self, a reflection of who you are, who you have not yet faced internally. Proof does not come from a peice of paper, or a videotape (although there certainly is plenty of it!!) It comes from within, from a passion to want to learn and experience more. You will limit yourself in refusing to see what is only so close you need only open the door.

What is it that motivates individuals to not just debunk, but to ridicule, to attack, to dishonor and disrespect? There is no need for that. It happens on both sides of the coin, and needs to be understood and brought to awareness so people can build communication. This will only help solve the greater mysteries we seek answers for. We cannot solve the whole puzzle alone, so please stop seperating yourselves.

We have been visited for untold ages, long forgotten and buried. The truth is in the air you breathe, the love you give, and stars that shine. We have never been alone, and we have become quite an interesting species on quite a unique planet. Our potential is without limit and although we do not yet fully realize this, there are many out there who do.

Do not live in fear of that which you do not understand. With great wisdom comes great responsiblity. We have only shown we are not ready. THAT is why you do not have your proof. This will only continue till we grow up, or until it is forced upon us.

Its time to get out of the sandbox, but is that really what you're asking for?

Be free. Live in love.

reply to post by mikesingh


"Let's face it. An alien technology millions of years in advance of ours would be simply mind boggling! All this stuff including lasers, image intensifiers, miniaturization of LBs and so on isn't the technology from the far future. It's pretty contemporary and not such a big deal after all. "

Of course it is easy to say that after we have developed it.
I'm not saying that I agree that this stuff is reverse engineered, although it may be.
Hindsight is 20/20, or so they say.

It is like the man that prepares his whole life to climb a mountain and when he gets to the summit he says: "Well that wasn't so hard."

I don't know. Every time somebody comes up with a long laundry list of things that are of supposed "alien" origin, or talks about the dozens of crashes, and so on and so forth, it all sounds good until you stop and ask yourself...

Given this mountain of evidence, why don't we have any single unimpeachable piece that would make it impossible to believe otherwise? Where's the beef?

I mean, at a certain point, the proof has to become obvious, doesn't it? It just doesn't make sense that the government can be that efficient at hiding things, or that a space ship always crashes away from people, or that somebody, somewhere isn't going to blab about it for money, and worry about the death threats later. Know what I mean? With all the evidence, you would think there would be at least one straw that would break that camel's back and make it all obvious and clear and undeniable.

But there isn't anything like that. Everything is debatable. The stories don't pan out, or lead nowhere. Time after time after time, we're left holding the bag.

Which leads me to believe that maybe we're not asking the right questions. Maybe we're looking for "aliens" in the same way people look for "God," without understanding what we're really talking about, and without opening our minds to consider other possibilities that make more sense than your standard Star Trek scenario.

Because you can go on and on about the evidence. It's there, and I've seen it. I've looked at it. And at the end of the day we still don't have a single solitary bit of undeniable proof of anything. I find that curious, don't you? I find much more mysterious than the typical speculation about mundane aliens.

I'm not trying to be negative. I'm just taking a realistic view of the situation.

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reply to post by pupetmaster


as u said why would we be filming something we own and are trying to hide this guy that keeps chirping in is not to smart. maybe 15 or so. i love listening to their debunking it just chatter.

reply to post by Nohup


For me, the proof became pretty positive long ago.
Sorry you don't feel the same.

Actually, your post deserves a better response than that... I'll give it a go.

I'll share a story...
1976, the one case that hits closest to home for me (and this was before I was even born) happened in my home-town...
Typical large triangle craft moved across my home county and was witnessed by hundreds of people. Radio stations were SWAMPED with calls about it. I won't go into the specifics of the account, but to say this...
I decided not too long ago to do some investigating into this on my own. Out of everyone I talked to, only one person who saw this actually remembered seeing this to this day. ONLY ONE.
We had policemen, firemen, prominent businessmen, etc... Politicians... etc who witnessed this and only one person remembered this VERY significant event without me prodding them first.

It is as if a traumatic event occured, similar to a car-wreck, and they have blacked it out. It is my guess that people are so stunned to see this sort of thing they just forget about it.
I have other experience with this also. I have seen these things Four times in my life prior to this year. It wasn't until I was asked on this website and I actually thought about it that I remembered ANY of the previous experiences.
You see, for me, this is very real. I've seen it. Up close.

But it is as if there is a collective amnesia at work here. Maybe not so much different than a MIB scenario.
Like we said, their technology is probably pretty powerful.

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I guess what I'm getting at is that the evidence IS there. People just can't accept it.
And I truly believe this. I'm not just making something up to support my view. This is psychological stuff.
I still haven't figured out why some can see it and others can't.

Edit to add something completely off topic. This site needs to do something about the ads that produce sound. This is BS. Seeing adverts for 19 year old girls doing a strip-tease is bad enough, but do you have to allow the stripper music too? My wife just thought I was in here watching porn.

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In my opinion we're not alone , I've read a lot of convincing books based on good facts and arguments, but with our imagination maybe we went too far ... I mean , especially here , I've seen sooo many different topics (hoaxes for the most of them) , I think we've just lost ourselves with all those fantaisists stories told here and everywhere in the medias .
The reality is maybe less "explosive" than we may think .
There are people who participates to this " deformation " by making up stories and all . Look at John Lear , he says himself " I might be misinformed " , it's honest to say that , but many many people will tend to buy ALL John Lear's statements .

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
You see, for me, this is very real. I've seen it. Up close.

Well, that's all fine. Like I said, I don't doubt the evidence. There's a pile of it. But what, exactly, does it prove? What did you really see? Did you see an alien spacecraft? Or a top secret government craft? Or maybe it was a time ship. Or something from another kind of reality. Or not entirely real.

You can convince yourself that it was "alien," but realistically, without additional evidence, you can't really say what it really was, can you? Could be Vulcans, or it could be demons/angels, for all you know.

I'm talking about that gap that never seems to go away. That gap between "okay, something really weird happened," and "I know for sure what it was, and I can prove it to somebody else if they asked." It's odd, and honestly puzzling to me. I wouldn't say I don't have a clue. It's just that the clues don't add up to anything specific that I can put my finger on.

reply to post by Nohup


And I tried to explain why those clues don't add up.

It is the same reason why many people have to go through hypnotic regression to remember when they have been abducted by these aliens.

They are wiped clean. By the way, it isn't just the aliens that can do it. Our Government does it also.
More evidence, at least in my mind, that they have reverse engineered stuff.

Unfortunately our governments keep us misinformed and/or disinformed so no decent "official" document . Is it true that the famous MJ12 document was a fake one ??

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
It is the same reason why many people have to go through hypnotic regression to remember when they have been abducted by these aliens.

They are wiped clean. By the way, it isn't just the aliens that can do it. Our Government does it also.
More evidence, at least in my mind, that they have reverse engineered stuff.

I'm afraid that you're using reverse logic to try to prove what you already assume. "Of course we don't remember the aliens, because the aliens brainwashed us!" Well, now you have to prove that particular assertion. You're trying to prove an unknown (aliens) with another unknown (aliens can wipe our memories).

What if it isn't aliens? What are we left with?

reply to post by Nohup


Believe me, I understand it is reverse logic.
It frustrates me, but this is my conclusion, to this point.

Being a person of above average intelligence, I fully realize that this may be delusional. However, I don't see much alternative.

Probably stating something that's already been said here, but there's a great documentary that ran on the Sci-Fi channel (I know: :wow year ago called "Out of the Blue." An innocuous title not meant to draw attention to the fact that its contents involve the reality of UFOs.

This hour and a half video takes some of the best cases on record, talks to first-hand credible (i.e. govt. and military) witnesses, and corroborates their stories with declassified documents obtained through the freedom on information act. It commences with references to the COMETA report (the French report on UFOs, a GREAT read) and the Disclosure Project.

For those of you who have watched the Disclosure Project Press Conference, this is much more interesting.

Enjoy.

reply to post by Elepheagle


please just let me know when you see them landing in the white house ,all the proof prove nothing speculations, high talk...... is all part of the questions of a world we don't even understand.how can i thing about aliens when i don't even understand humanity do you? confusion over confusion lead to nothing other to know you are confuse ..

mrjenka about your respons


reply to post by Anonymous ATS


"the place you want to look is at the Rosicrucian order... "

Could you be kind to elaborate what you mean?
Rosicrucians and Ufos?

please view this thread also

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I also remeber hearing about this on TV a long time ago and then ....
Nothing. As if it never happenned. SO many witnesses.

Voronezh UFO Landing
Date: September 27, 1989
Location: Voronezh, Russian Federation


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An extrasolar planet, or exoplanet, is a planet beyond the Solar System, orbiting a star other than the Sun. As of February 2009, 342 exoplanets are listed in the Extrasolar Planets Encyclopaedia.[1]
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Exopolitics is the study of political relations between humans and extraterrestrial civilizations by those who believe that aliens exist and have already made contact. Exopolitics has also been used by futurists and science fiction fans to explore the possibilities and considerations that would arise if political relations with alien visitors were undertaken and how the interaction would influence the handling of issues such as global warming and morality.[1] Advocates for exopolitics hope to establish relations with extra-terrestrials and take advantage of their presumed knowledge of sustainable energy sources and other matters of global importance.[2]

Public advocates for exopolitics have included former Canadian Defense Minister Paul Hellyer, who in 2005 joined three fringe groups in urging the Canadian parliament to hold public hearings on exopolitics,[3] and Michael Salla, a former American University professor who runs the Peace Ambassador Program at the University's Center for Global Peace. Salla authored a book on exopolitics, and believes that a 1954 dentist appointment by U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower was a cover for a secret meeting with extraterrestrials.[4]

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Rendlesham Forest incident
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Mantell UFO incident
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The Robertson Panel was a secret, CIA-assembled scientific UFO review committee that met in January 1953. In part, it recommended a public relations campaign to reduce public interest in UFOs, including ridiculing and discrediting those who claim UFO encounters, and to spy on civilian UFO groups. The Robertson Panel's existence was first disclosed in 1956 by former Blue Book director, Edward Ruppelt, who had participated in the discussions. Immediately after the Panel, Blue Book public relations officer Al Chop told Ruppelt that, "We've been ordered to work up a national debunking campaign, planting articles in magazines and arranging broadcasts to make UFO reports sound like poppycock." (Dolan, 193-202) This protocol is still in effect.
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anyhow...

The point was already made it's the idea that has to be accepted first then the world will adjust it's framework of thinking and mature from it.

Hello everyone!
I just wanna say that an implant with an alignment of molecules "not of this earth" doesn't mean it's alien in nature. Could be manufactured right above our heads, in our OWN space stations... ( reffering to a point made at the begining of this post by Puppetmaster. ) Thanks and ciao!

K let me explain this shortly, I will do a full thread when I have time.
You guys all seem to be in agreement that the big bad government has unlimited power, technology far beyond what civilians have, and an extensive network to hide the "reality" of UFOs, and sway public opinion that they do not exist.

I offer unto you thus: Could the all-powerful government have not created this whole phenomena, period?
And you will say, No, of course not. I know some pictures and videos are fake. You could even say they all are. But I've seen the witness interviews.

Again I propose unto you, couldnt they have been lying? The people you believe most, or consider most credible, are those who come out from the government. I should say they are the least credible.

You have organisations like the CIA, who so many people claim cover up UFOs. If that is a possibility, there is an equally good possibility they have the ability to create UFO sightings. They are one of the most notorious propaganda machines in the world. Psychological warfare is of the highest order. It is extremely possible that the whole subject is just another of their impositions.

Lets explore further. When they 'create' an agent (assuming they operate like more familiar intelligence agencies) they fabricate passports, birth certificates, documents, photographs, videos, histories, birthdays, etc. It is unbelievably easy to create something that never existed. To the point everyone will not question it. It is paralleled to aliens. They can easily fabricate countless photos, videos, staged events, and 'witnesses', and then pretend to cover them up so as to look like there is a problem.

I will have to cut this short, so watch for my thread on this.

For ancient paintings, drawings, etc, how do you know how old they are? Carbon dating. Historical reference. And how do you know those arent flawed? You could easily have 12 'independent' scientists verify that this carving is genuine and 5000 years old. Who is to say they are telling the truth. Who is to say they even exist...