Proof of intelligently controlled unknown spacecrafts with probable extra-terrestrial origin

Hi Riggs,

I've read your first link and here is what i make of it

He thinks it's a solar "bloom" effect in the lense reflecting off some "space particules" at the set times of the sunrise.

By looking at the footage i think this is complete rubbish. You can see the objects appear to move in set directions at different speeds and don't just appear for a few moments during sunrise but all throughout the mission.

anyhow here some other info on anti-gravity research interest spiking in the 1950s.

American interest in "gravity control propulsion research" intensified during the early 1950s. Literature from that period used the terms anti-gravity, anti-gravitation, baricentric, counterbary, electrogravitics, G-projects, gravitics, gravity control, and gravity propulsion.[1][2] Their publicized goals were to develop and discover technologies and theories for the manipulation of gravity or gravity-like fields for propulsion.[3] Although general relativity theory appeared to prohibit anti-gravity propulsion, several programs were funded to develop it through gravitation research from 1955 to 1974. The names of many contributors to general relativity and those of the golden age of general relativity have appeared among documents about the institutions that had served as the theoretical research components of those programs.[4][5][6] The existence and 1950s emergence of the gravity control propulsion research had not been a subject of controversy for aerospace writers, critics, and conspiracy theory advocates. But its rationale, effectiveness, and longevity have been the objects of contested views.

Evidence of existence

Mainstream newspapers, popular magazines, technical journals, and declassified papers reported the existence of the gravity control propulsion research. For example, the title of the March 1956 Aero Digest article about the intensified interest was “Anti-gravity Booming.” A. V. Cleaver made the following statement about the programs in his article:

What are the facts, insofar as they are publicly known, or (as at this date) knowable? Well, they seem to amount to this: The Americans have decided to look into the old science-fictional dream of gravity control, or “anti-gravity,” to investigate, both theoretically and (if possible) practically the fundamental nature of gravitational fields and their relationship to electromagnetic and other phenomena – and someone (unknown to the present writer) has apparently decided to call all this study by the high-sounding name of “electro-gravitics.” Unknown, too – at least unannounced – is the name of agency or individual who decided to encourage, stimulate, or sponsor this effort, also in just what way it is being done. However, that the effort is in progress there can be little doubt, and, of course, it is entirely to be welcomed.[7]

At least 14 United States universities and other research centers are hard at work cracking the gravity barrier. And backing the basic research with multi-million dollar secret projects is our aircraft industry.[8]

The writings about the gravity control propulsion research effort had disclosed the “players” and resources while prudently withholding both the specific features of the research and the identity of its coordinating body. Publicized and telecasted conspiracy theory anecdotes have suggested much higher levels of success to the G-projects than mainstream science.

UFO and conspiracy theories

On May 9, 2001, Mark McCandlish testified on the televised news conference held by the Disclosure Project, at the National Press Club, Washington, D.C. He stated gravity control propulsion research had started in the fifties and had successfully reverse engineered the vehicle retrieved from the Roswell crash site to build three Alien Reproduction Vehicles by 1981.[61] McCandlish described their propulsion systems in terms of Thomas Townsend Brown's gravitators and provided a line drawing of its interior. The diagram closely resembled the

Originally posted by pupetmaster

By looking at the footage i think this is complete rubbish. You can see the objects appear to move in set directions at different speeds and don't just appear for a few moments during sunrise but all throughout the mission.

That is not considered a valid debatale point...thinking it's rubbish. Do you have any facts to back what you are saying about these not showing up during sunrise or just telling us what you believe.

reply to post by RFBurns


I agree. When I first saw Egyptian hieroglyphs close up, I was amazed to actually see pictures of aeroplanes used! Either these objects made up part of their history, or the Egyptians had a very accurate premonition. Either way; pretty amazing.

I think that TPTB have been using UFO's and extraterrestrials as an excuse to hide/funnel/steal money in huge amounts. HUGE AMOUNTS! Many people at ATS probably think that all the federal tax dollars are being spent to build underground bases where they hide all the alien craft. What a joke.

These people are criminals. With all that has happened in the past couple of years don't you think that money is somewhat important to them? The ones who profit from the UFO myth I mean. Keep the dream alive.

Why hasn't there been any real proof of extraterrestrials?

Real body parts? Real space craft? etc...

If you say it's because they're hiding them then you are under mind control. Please keep sending your hard earned money to the IRS ...

Thank you, PuppetMaster - not only for making this thread, but for dealing with the flak and STILL STANDING BY YOUR STORY. - And also how you calmly and eloquently debate the debaters...
No one can convince me that ET's don't exist. I don't need to see a UFO or an ET. The proof is all around us, and when I see debunkers/dis/misinformants getting so riled up, it just reinforces their existence.
And I can't belive SETI found something.
I do understand that the economy and all of that needs to be rectified before disclosure, but still the fact remains. Not only are we entitled to know (as humans), but we deserve to know that we are not alone.
I guess we can only bank on the future with good hopes... Only time will tell.

Originally posted by secretnasaman
If I could add...(from a video) that.. on a Columbia shuttle mission, prior to the STS-75 tether breaking, NASA did an experiment where they took single cells and electrically charged them in the vacuum of space. At Earth gravity they all moved in a similar direction.

But when the electricity was added to the cells environment at 0 G., they scattered in all directions! NASA was testing to see what would happen to "life" in a vacuum(!!!) when electrical current is added!..amazing enough. Then came the tether video...

of the broken tether and 100 million dollar satellite swarmed by objects at 0 G. (!), in a vacuum, and these objects-UFOs-swimming in all directions! And it got out on the web.. and ....so many people posted comments, saying that the NASA tether video looked like a biology experiment!....Trevor James Constable writes about single cells that are in our skies and the space around the Earth in his book..cheers

The broken tether video has been disproved. I can't remember the thread, but it was very thoroughly debunked. There is plenty of other legitimate evidence though.

Originally posted by Zephyr-Chills
The broken tether video has been disproved. I can't remember the thread, but it was very thoroughly debunked. There is plenty of other legitimate evidence though.

No the tether video hasn't been debunked.

Since you can't even remember where the thread actually IS in order to back your statement, allow me to provide the link to the still actively ongoing debate;

www.abovetopsecret.com...

As you can see, that thread is still alive and well, if you have any further comments regarding the tether videos, please add over there.

We should have a requirement for the UFO section:

MUST HAVE PICTURES IF YOU CLAIM TO HAVE SEEN A UFO.

going back to why this thread was kicked off -- a problem with the statement that ALL ufos are man-made.

maybe we should rephrase that a significant percentage of UFOs are man-made and we should look to our planet first rather than aliens.

i see three basic camps in this argument 1. those that deny all UFOs. 2, those that accept UFOs and believe they can only be explained by extra-terrestrial origins. 3. those that accept UFOs and believe that some are terrestrial and some may be extra-terrestrial. I'm in the third camp.

for those that get angry about a "cover-ups" of ufos by governments and being denied the truth etc etc WHY dont you get even more angry and open your eyes to the possibility that there may be an EVEN BIGGER cover up of secret technology on this planet?? a secret physics and secret space programme that you guys in the US may be paying for!!!

having everyone look for aliens is a great way of deflecting attention from homegrown technology and secrets and Corso may well have been part of this elaborate, decades long conspiracy...

and again, when we talk about aliens are we sure we are talking about beings from another galaxy? they could be prior evolved inhabitants of our own planet/solar system at a distant point in antiquity -- related to US!!! that is what is truly shocking and what MAY be being covered up by people i the know. a secret history, a secret technology etc etc

[edit on 22-2-2009 by space.odyssey]

reply to post by mrjenka


"Jay.. you have first hand knowledge of "reverse-engineering of alien tech??"

No, but I've got some pretty good circumstantial evidence of it... 1952, project silverbug. Look it up.

Aside from that, I was answering what appeared to be an obvious hypothetical question regarding the behavior of space aliens. That question grants the premise that they exist and are visiting. Therefore, it is fair play to speculate as to what it is they are doing... and I did just that.

reply to post by riggs2099


The facts I alluded to were already included in this thread. These things happened. What is up to interpretation is what is the cause behind them. The theory part is the hypothesis in conjunction with the fact.

Like I said, proof is a tricky term.

yea, you can place me in that 3rd category as well sapce.odessy.

I'm a firm believer in the Drake equation. The sheer size of the universe, and The Hubble "deep field" image is pretty much a clincher.

But have they visted us....., well I've still yet to see absolute proof of this. I guess I'll need it first hand. A wise man once said, "believe none of what you hear, and half of what you see". Concerning the internet, it's more like believe .1% of what you see.

It's hard though to trudge through all the secret military projects, even when the good ET evidence could always be government disinfo to hide, "black" aircraft.

Or the poor exposed frauds like Doctor Reed could have possibly been discredited by the government, like Bob Lazar. It's tough, tough stuff.

reply to post by pupetmaster


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The object appeared to be a Russian satellite that re-entered the atmosphere and broke up. NASA experts studied fragments from the object, but records of what they found were lost in the 1990s.
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I find it ironic that they say forty years ago re-entering satelites came to rest in the woods intact, although shaped a little different, like an acorn....
But in today's world, when satelites re-enter they burn up in the atmosphere.

This should set off red flags for some folks, but I won't hold my breath.

reply to post by riggs2099


"Look hard enough, you will find valid arguments for everything you have linked us. See what happens when you open your mind to every possiblity that can be. Living in the believer box will never get you anywhere."

You are missing one of the main points of this thread, correct me if I'm wrong here sir author. Yes, at face value, a lot of these things may have other potential explanations, but when you lump the whole lot of them, those alternative explanations get harder and harder... and harder... and harder to swallow...
At some point occams razor says "you know what, this explanation works pretty darned well for ALL of them."

Once again though, some people will choose not to accept that. Something I have come to terms with.

reply to post by riggs2099


"That is not considered a valid debatale point...thinking it's rubbish. Do you have any facts to back what you are saying about these not showing up during sunrise or just telling us what you believe. "

Dude, try a little comprehension of what you're reading. He did not dismiss your article. He DID EXPLAIN WHY he said he thought it was rubbish.
You are really taking this thread on a ride with your antics.

Oh, and just a thought in regards to the economic factors surrounding official disclosure (as if several governments haven't given official disclosure already and that list is growing rapidly, btw) I would think that this time right now is the PERFECT time to end the secrecy. The reverse engineered tech that they likely have would be a perfect way to salvage any similance of an economy at this point.

reply to post by die_another_day


"MUST HAVE PICTURES IF YOU CLAIM TO HAVE SEEN A UFO. "

Well, that certainly would work quite well for the detractors, huh?

Pardon me, that was a good laugh. You jest, surely. You see, lots of said stories HAVE come with pictures... But those are all photoshopped, if you hadn't heard... Nah, you've heard, you've probably said as much yourself.

By the way folks, eyewitness testimony is used in the court room. I don't remember who it was who foolishly said that circumstantial evidence isn't admissible in court, but people have been put to death with it... literally.

Well I can tell you that pretty much if we ever do contact anything extraterrestrial, we will be evenly matched if not more advanced than what have you...

More than likely everything has evolved and developed under the same time spans... Facing the same galactic hurdles such as life being set back by millennium and having to re-adapt to more than likely global devastation such as asteroid impacts, or natural terrestrial disasters.

This probable point is due to the fact that we have never had a Solar System wide colonization or any highly detectable interplanetary activity.

If there were a more highly advanced and space faring race near us, we would have definitive contact and interactions to this day.

Now if these accounts of Alien probes or different visitations are actually happening or are true, the fact that they are so sparse leads to the points addressed, they might be more curious but evenly matched technologically, and we are probably more war like and battle hardened in comparison.

Funny but we are probably more like the Klingons from Startrek, heh heh...

On the Galactic Stage...

-Meat Eating
-Combative and Warlike
-Constantly procreating
-Resource Hungry
-Exploration in the hopes of finding more resources, habitable useful planet searching creatures.



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[edit on 2/22/2009 by Brainiac]

Originally posted by pupetmaster
According to Dr. Steven Greer, yes, SETI has received multiple extraterrestrial signals. This news he says, is confirmed by senior employees within the SETI program.

This is what Greer had to say at a recent Exopolitics Conference:

"We have confirmation - and I'm not going to give the name yet because we are trying to coax this guy out of the closet - but one of the senior people in the SETI project, which is the Carl Sagan Search for Extraterrestrial project, has confirmed to the Disclosure Project that they have received multiple extraterrestrial signals," Greer said.

"but that now they are getting external human, probably NRO or NSA jamming of those signals and they are getting very frustrated. "

Greer continued, "The question is why hasn't the SETI project, funded by Paul Alan the co-founder of Microsoft, come forward with this information? I'm a little uncomfortable even mentioning this, except for the fact that the public needs to know that this effort, which has received a great deal of mainstream media attention, has actually confirmed to us from two inside sources that they have received extraterrestrial signals and have confirmed them as being extraterrestrial and that they have become increasing in frequency and number."

One of the astronauts has came out (Gordon cooper)and publicly stated that he has seen "bogeys" in space.

Another astronaut who was part of the apollo program was participating in the artwork contest to determine the patch to be used on the astronaut's shoulders and his 2 design submissions were refused. Both designs included UFOs doing surveillance of the astronauts while on the moon.

I will posts other elements of the "proof" that exists over the coming days. It seems to me that what we've already posted should be enough to convince any rational thinking person who understands the "Drake equation" or the newly modified "probability one equation" in which an up & coming academic argues that the drake model is outdated and that the probability of life in the universe is most certain given the apparent infinite vastness and infinite number of planets.

Eesh, this post just about sums up what this OP/topic is/ and is about.

Seti found something greer say but Oh sorry, he's not at liberty to give names or ANY information. This is not proof, it's borderline propaganda.

As for your artwork on the patches...., Neither of the two depicted flying saucers.

They both depicted Stonhenge like monoliths, on earth, and a space shuttle heading toward the moon/space. I can see why they weren't used. They had nothing to do with the missions, and really did not make for good patches all around. Hardly any conspiracy, or again there's that little proof word again.

Also the term Bogey. You are not understanding. The term Bogey is used for any object that is unknow, in or around another craft. Sapce debris could be called a bogey, as can ice particles.

Your info is way off on this post.

But I applaud your efforts in any event.

I do like you bringing up the Drake equation, but I think your missing the point of it as well. It has always stated that the universe being so vast, that yes there are most likely without a doubt every color, shape, size of creature, living in every different kind of environment, but no where does it state or even allude to that we've been visited.

Still as Mr. Jenka said this is all rehashing old stuff, and even still some of your rehashing is taken way out of context or just downright wrong as in the patches example you brought up.

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR


Dude, try a little comprehension of what you're reading. He did not dismiss your article. He DID EXPLAIN WHY he said he thought it was rubbish.
You are really taking this thread on a ride with your antics.

Dude....he never explained nothing..he gave me what he thought...key word..THOUGHT...was going on. As for one statement concerning the razor, if you only look at all the junk together, does it make a believer go bug eyed and smiley... As far as main stream science is concerned, and to others like me...there is nothing of significant to start yelling "THE ALIENS ARE HERE". Only wishful thinking and whole lot of theories. The true meaning of razor theory....The simplest answer is usually the correct answer.

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