Proof of Aliens & UFO'S!!!

Why would a company develop breakthrough technology and then not secure patents to protect its investment? It doesn't make any sense.
If mrjenka had any secret information about UFOs, what would be the point of his useless prose here? It's just an ego trip. A childish attention seeking attempt to make himself look important. He tries to discredit the most respected ufologists and theories, and never backs any of his claims. You can safely assume anything he says is bunk. Just my 0.02 €.

Originally posted by mrjenka
I am not risking anything right now. I haven't said anything.. Believe me or not, I could if I wanted to get myself in a lot of trouble..

...

we may talk to you after sometime, after we trust you, after we know your NOT trying to profit and going to use the information we give you to progress your OWN research or knowledge of a subject.

You have absolutly ZERO security clearance. In fact, I doubt you work for a company that requires it..

Lockheed holds government contracts and any information revealed by employee's would represent a breech of national security. You would be charged with treason. Especially if that information, regardless of how seemingly insignificant it may seem).

The statements I highlighted above tells me you do not take your supposed security clearance very seriously.

it's a research of fact and a research of one's own spirituality, because I can land you a lockheed saucer on your front lawn but, if you don't believe it than thatsaucer will make no difference in your train of thought on real or not...

First, what does "one's own spirutality" have to do with Top Secret research and development into advanced Avionics?

Secondly, so not only are you some financial guru for Lockheed that handles all (or a large portion) of its black project financials, but your also a pilot that can fly such crafts, or you have the connections within the company to get a pilot to do what you said?

Please...

By the way, when you were applying for your job, did you happen to mention that your grandfather was an intelligence officer for a foreign government, or did you let them find that out on their own?

Originally posted by 0010110011101
If he is on the wind up, he's keen!!!!!!

To be honest, the more I read the OP's posts the more viable it sounds.

Cant wait to see the rest.......!

Hello.. Thank you for the response. I try and give as much TRUE information to you guys without hurting myself..

I will drop clues and hints. it will be for you guys to read in between the lines so to speak....

But, you can always ask me direct questions. NO ONE! Has asked me a direct question.. Many posts here are attacking my credibility...

Ask me questions and I may be able to answer them..

I really do hope every ATS member PM's the OP.

You mean you can't post here what details you claim to know... but if I U2U the OP I will be told everything?

Almost sounds too good to be true....

Hi, inquisitive persons.

I came in this site/forums with hopes, BUT with a "normal" skepticism.
I though I fond a fabulous thread, with such a **TITLE**.

I am a little disappointed/disillusioned/deceived. . . !
Don't worry, I won't cry. . . B-))))

Sooooooooo, to stop losing my time with this guy, forEVER,
I CLICKed on the [ IGNORE ] buton ! ! !

Why don't YOU all do the same ???????

Blue skies.

Maybe, maybe not... Typically, such work does stay in the family, as the defense field is certainly representative of the "good old boy" networking of many such fields. So the idea of other relatives in the intel biz (even if KGB) isn't that surprising to me really...especially if they defected.

So unless the poster states obvious contradictions that prove otherwise, it is best to assume that the poster is adhering to the terms and conditions of the site, and not misrepresenting themselves. So far, from reading the postings, I don't have any obvious reasons to doubt the OP's employment, and those classifications seem commensurate with the type of work being done.

That said though, there are likely even more secretive levels of accounting that can then take the $400 appropriated for that hammer and funnel $300 of it into a black project, that the former department has no knowledge of...(and then maybe even a further department that funnels $200 of that $300, etc., etc.).

Originally posted by InSpiteOf

Originally posted by mrjenka
I am not risking anything right now. I haven't said anything.. Believe me or not, I could if I wanted to get myself in a lot of trouble..

...

we may talk to you after sometime, after we trust you, after we know your NOT trying to profit and going to use the information we give you to progress your OWN research or knowledge of a subject.

You have absolutly ZERO security clearance. In fact, I doubt you work for a company that requires it..

Lockheed holds government contracts and any information revealed by employee's would represent a breech of national security. You would be charged with treason. Especially if that information, regardless of how seemingly insignificant it may seem).

The statements I highlighted above tells me you do not take your supposed security clearance very seriously.

it's a research of fact and a research of one's own spirituality, because I can land you a lockheed saucer on your front lawn but, if you don't believe it than thatsaucer will make no difference in your train of thought on real or not...

First, what does "one's own spirutality" have to do with Top Secret research and development into advanced Avionics?

Secondly, so not only are you some financial guru for Lockheed that handles all (or a large portion) of its black project financials, but your also a pilot that can fly such crafts, or you have the connections within the company to get a pilot to do what you said?

Please...

By the way, when you were applying for your job, did you happen to mention that your grandfather was an intelligence officer for a foreign government, or did you let them find that out on their own?

Yes. It took me over 14 months to be cleared to begin working in classified and secure areas because I was not born on United States oil(however, I have been a citizen for 20+ years)
My background was very seriously analyzed and I had "stipulations" in my clearance documents etc..

I would 100% be charged with treason among many other things.

I never claimed I was a "big" shot, or that I ran a black operation program for lockheed.

Lockheed has a budget of over 25 billion per year.. I am simply a finance manager for my particular department..

it just so happens that the department that I was transfered to has "unique" and "interesting" things that the scientists and military personal work on..

I have debriefed with my superiors and I know exactly what I can and can not say. One of my post's yesterday was on the borderline and as soon as I walked in today I had a 2 hour meeting with board members, mp's, military personal, dia and dod officials as well as homeland security..

"They" knew of my posts as soon as they went through. I know exactly what I can and cannot say...

Originally posted by mrjenka
How did you know that my family was in the KGB?? Please do elaborate...

Right here.

Originally posted by Gazrok
Maybe, maybe not... Typically, such work does stay in the family, as the defense field is certainly representative of the "good old boy" networking of many such fields. So the idea of other relatives in the intel biz (even if KGB) isn't that surprising to me really...especially if they defected.

So unless the poster states obvious contradictions that prove otherwise, it is best to assume that the poster is adhering to the terms and conditions of the site, and not misrepresenting themselves. So far, from reading the postings, I don't have any obvious reasons to doubt the OP's employment, and those classifications seem commensurate with the type of work being done.

That said though, there are likely even more secretive levels of accounting that can then take the $400 appropriated for that hammer and funnel $300 of it into a black project, that the former department has no knowledge of...(and then maybe even a further department that funnels $200 of that $300, etc., etc.).

Very well put sir! There is a 25% budget for my department that is undisclosed to me or anyone else for that matter..

This budget is used for "misc" spending only available to be used by the head scientists and/or the project manager....

I personally know what this money is used for however that is personal knowledge I have obtained through years of employment and building trust with scientists and military personal..

Lets not forget one thing guys. at the end of the day no matter if you build particle beam weapons or zero-gravity propulsion systems we all put our pants on with one leg at a time..

At the end of the day we are still humans.. No matter if we flip burgers or audit lockheeds books and humans have a tendency to talk "shop" during breaks, lunches, and/or just general "cooler" talk...

Ihave over heard conversations and I have had conversations with some important people....

Granted, they will not say or do something that they may think will hurt them but in the same sense if you build and gain the trust of someone than why wouldn't you be able to have a scientific conversation with them??

Suerly you would get hauled through the coals for this. If "they" knew, I don't believe you would be back posting on here, surely?

Genuine question........

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Bah, more BS. If you were ever cleared by a company such as Lockheed for anything above the standard security clearance, you would have been made well aware that you are forbidden to enter into a topic such as this, with the intent of passing on knowledge you claim to posses. You would especially be forbidden from making veiled threats such as this little gem:

Originally posted by mrjenka
how about this.. if anyone here can give me ONE good reason on why I should release any type of information that please list it. if it is good enough I will send the 3 owners of above topsecret a cd with over 5k documents, files, pictures and videos.. they can do with it what they wish..

The bolded represents a SERIOUS security threat to your superiors and theirs. One which would probably land you without a job the next day, or potentially facing charges based on the NDA you signed both with your employer, its security firm, and the US government.

Finally, so when you were in your final interview, about to recieve your clearance after that 14 month period (during which I am sure you went through a number of tests including but not limited to a polygraph and modern voice stress analysis) what did your interviewer(s) say when they broached the topic of your grandfather?

Originally posted by yeahright

Originally posted by mrjenka
How did you know that my family was in the KGB?? Please do elaborate...

Right here.

Thank you.. yes, my grandfather was in KGB.. However, he was first and foremost a 2 star general(air force) in the Министерство обороны which translates to Ministry of defense..

he did defect to the US and has been a citizen for over 30 years. He also does consulting work for numerous outfits, his emphasis of knowledge is in how to handle unidentified "vehicles" that may enter russian air space..

Same as jspoc in the united states..

He was the one who got me in the "front" door with Lockheed... Furthering my career with his contacts within the DIA and Homeland security to obtain me consulting jobs with those outfits..(it's a nice paycheck every month when I do consult)

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So basically, despite the fact that earlier in this thread you bemoaned the fact that we're all sitting around on the internet waiting for disclosure (which you told us is never going to happen) - you are actually PART of the disclosure process and have a team of handlers making sure you don't say too much too soon?

Or alternatively you're telling us that your employer and Uncle Sam (& Aunt Mary by the sound of it) had no idea that you were posting here, found out by tracking your personal internet usage, read you the riot act but didn't tell you to stop posting?

Which is it?

Originally posted by InSpiteOf
reply to post by mrjenka

 

Bah, more BS. If you were ever cleared by a company such as Lockheed for anything above the standard security clearance, you would have been made well aware that you are forbidden to enter into a topic such as this, with the intent of passing on knowledge you claim to posses. You would especially be forbidden from making veiled threats such as this little gem:

Originally posted by mrjenka
how about this.. if anyone here can give me ONE good reason on why I should release any type of information that please list it. if it is good enough I will send the 3 owners of above topsecret a cd with over 5k documents, files, pictures and videos.. they can do with it what they wish..

The bolded represents a SERIOUS security threat to your superiors and theirs. One which would probably land you without a job the next day, or potentially facing charges based on the NDA you signed both with your employer, its security firm, and the US government.

Finally, so when you were in your final interview, about to recieve your clearance after that 14 month period (during which I am sure you went through a number of tests including but not limited to a polygraph and modern voice stress analysis) what did your interviewer(s) say when they broached the topic of your grandfather?

I made that statement about sending info to the 3 guys because I know no one will give me a good enough reason.

Furthermore, as soon as I got to work today I was called in for a meeting. I couldn't even put my bags down or anything..

I did go through a few tests today such as a polygraph, psych evaluation and a debrief on what I can and cannot say..

The information I am discussing will be made public WIDELY public very soon however, the information has been out there in bits and pieces for about 2-3 months.

all you have to do is research enough different outfits and sources, put the pieces together and vola! you got your information. Same info I am discussing..

Originally posted by Resinveins
I really do hope every ATS member PM's the OP.

You mean you can't post here what details you claim to know... but if I U2U the OP I will be told everything?

Almost sounds too good to be true....

I agree. Ok OP, why are you willing to hand out classified material on some CD you have in u2u messages when you can simply post that information right here within the thread so that everyone everywhere is prevy to it?

Why sneak and back hand this info via u2u? Just come out with it. It makes absolutely no sense at all to be telling us there is secret information you are willing to hand out, yet only do that to a certian few who u2u you for it. Why announce that in the public arena? Why not just select a few members, click the u2u icon and throw this info you got at them and then sit back and see what happens after that?

Why all this lure bit?


Cheers!!!!

Originally posted by illimey
reply to post by mrjenka

 

So basically, despite the fact that earlier in this thread you bemoaned the fact that we're all sitting around on the internet waiting for disclosure (which you told us is never going to happen) - you are actually PART of the disclosure process and have a team of handlers making sure you don't say too much too soon?

Or alternatively you're telling us that your employer and Uncle Sam (& Aunt Mary by the sound of it) had no idea that you were posting here, found out by tracking your personal internet usage, read you the riot act but didn't tell you to stop posting?

Which is it?

I am very well aware that a person in my position is subject to constant or periodic monitoring, that is part of my employment agreement.

I do not have "handlers". I am not an animal. I have superiors. Just as YOU have superiors in your work.

When I refrence disclosure I mean the government or any official outfit(dia, dod etc...) will not release information pertaining to any type of alien(eben) or ufo or as "we" like to call it IO(identified object) if that information was to ever be disclosed it would be through the vatican..

have you guys ever though that Unidentified FLYING Object is a bit wrong..

How do we know that these objects do not "jump" from place to place. Or how do we also know that these objects are not permanently in our atmosphere or ionosphere and stay "cloaked" for an indefinite amount of time.
How do we know that the government and contractors haven't updated the "weather balloon" technology into something that perminatly will monitor weather, climate, warming and to be used as a much more clandestine tool to monitor all of us..

you think the nsa is sitting in some lab listening on conversations?? I don't think so!

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As an retired accountant myself, a point you made in your original statement makes me wonder where you got your degree:

"I am not in the scientific sector. I am in the financial field(internal audits, auditing budgets, showing ways of cutting costs to maximize their budgets etc..) "

So cutting costs maximizes budgets. Seems to me that cutting costs would maximize profits, according to GAAP, not budgets...but then I guess your right 'cause you say so. No proof required, right?

Originally posted by RFBurns

Originally posted by Resinveins
I really do hope every ATS member PM's the OP.

You mean you can't post here what details you claim to know... but if I U2U the OP I will be told everything?

Almost sounds too good to be true....

I agree. Ok OP, why are you willing to hand out classified material on some CD you have in u2u messages when you can simply post that information right here within the thread so that everyone everywhere is prevy to it?

Why sneak and back hand this info via u2u? Just come out with it. It makes absolutely no sense at all to be telling us there is secret information you are willing to hand out, yet only do that to a certian few who u2u you for it. Why announce that in the public arena? Why not just select a few members, click the u2u icon and throw this info you got at them and then sit back and see what happens after that?

Why all this lure bit?


Cheers!!!!

I NEVER said I was going to release anything to anyone. I simply told ONE person to PM ME.. How do you know what I may want to talk about? I may want to ask how the weather is in that particular part of the country.

And IF and a bigg and huge IF i wanted to disclose something to someone how would I go about choosing who to u2u??

Wouldn't those people turn around and just re release the info'??

I will not talk about stuff I can not. I know where my legal obligations begin and end..

Again. I will repeat myself. No one has asked me a direct question..

reply to post by mrjenka


What kind of finacial management job with any fortune 500 company can you be at home responding to posts at 1 pm on a Monday? Especially after already attending work, being raked of the coals, psychologically tested, given a polygraph, which can be a several hour process, and still make it to your personal computer to respond to posts that just got you reprimanded. C'mon!

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